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    • Absolutely right. The lack of knowledge about IMGs/CSAs is really disheartening. 
      Remember when we were back in undergrad, and there were tons of brilliant minded classmates that couldn't get into medical school but you know would have made excellent physicians? I can think of so many of these people, many of them who became CSAs. Tons of them had GPAs of 3.4-3.6, decent MCATs but it just wasn't quite enough or there was some minor flag in their file but they still wanted to pursue their dream and go for medicine so they took a risk, a huge risk. And you know what? They paid for not doing better in undergrad, and they paid harder than most people ever will. Whether its the $400,000 Debt, high competition, risk of not matching, the 6 board exams that had to be flawless, the 5+ years ROS and everything else...they did it because they wanted it and they studied so much harder to make it back into Canada. If it isn't this passion, dedication and resilience we Canadians want to see in our future doctors, then remove the IMG spots. 
    • Bonjour, J’ai appliqué en médecine dentaire à UL en tant qu’universitaire et je voudrais savoir quelle sont les dates d’entrevue possibles pour planifier des choses à l’avance au cas où que je suis convoqué. Merci
    • True, I think thats more the outlier. No ones going to talk about an IMG that been amazing. Many of my excellent preceptors or residents I met are from IMG backgrounds! They have been better at trying to address the situation of selecting better IMGs. IMGs have to do so much additional testing now then before. Even if you match, you have to do orientations or an externship where you are supervised. Some places test your IQ or written writing skills and so on.  I think that might become more the norm the in the future. I think it is also the cause of alot of discrimination in selecting IMGs to begin with. They really prefer to take IMGs from well known medical schools in the world where they know the standard of training is good. 
    • That is true - they know the risk, and more over that the SGU school (or equivalent) are designed to get you into the US system not Canada. That is the target group after all. Now route is without barriers - and doing residency in the US might be the result (well a better result than can happen).  Part of the reason that if you are going outside of Canada, an US school seems to be in my mind a better option.  Man we have gone way off of the track on this thread - I am going to have moderating to do at some point and move all this to another thread.  To those going through this - seriously good luck. Hoping for some good outcomes when the dust clears.
    • Sure they paid for them - and what is the outcome? A resident.  Say it costs them X dollars to get that person ready to be a resident. They do that, get the resident who goes off to be a doctor ultimately. Awesome! Now least say the get an IMG - who take that canadian medical student's spot. The government just wasted X dollars if that student never becomes a doctor.  Except the IMG costs nothing to train. In either scenario the government pays X dollars and get a resident. It is actually cost neutral - it is doesn't matter from a cost point of view what way it goes. In fact since the IMG will have ROS the there is a small advantage as the government can control the placement of that resident, which might fulfill a political need, and boost their government (but they will have to deal with a complaining medical student instead).  Now least say the do remove all IMGs from the first round match and assume the government is nice enough to boost the CMG pool exactly with the replacement (they might not actually - governments are like that). That might be a good policy choice for a variety of reasons (even if the math is even it still feels "wrong" even if it is irrational to train someone and not use them, a lot of bad press right now with people not matching, doesn't cost much to do that and the downside is a bunch of complaints from CSA and the fed government on their immigration front). Politics will occur - ha, politics always occurs. Some of those spots will be in a variety of things (rad spots at Ottawa and TO for instance and so on). Good chance can med student will go after those spots - they are competitive now after all. That will in general skew the selection away from less popular fields (exactly what happened when the match was 1.1 to 1 or higher). Means that in the second round there will be more of the traditional less popular fields left for IMG which would include family medicine mostly among other fields. The result is more family doctors and so on will be IMGs by proportion than now - that may not be good or bad but I am sure some groups may not like it.  Not rational but again it might "feel" to them that they are always stuck with leftovers. There will be some nosy CSA's in that case as well to deal with - as you will never have a IMG (still hate that term) becoming certain types of doctors not matter how good they are. 
    • Wondering if anyone has any good resources for clinical based MCQs. I learn the best when doing practice problems and I was wondering if ppl knew of any good resources I could use besides my own schools practice tests. I know maybe the Step 1 and 2 books would be helpful, but I was looking for other options. thanks
    • This has been an interesting conversation to follow. The cost-benefit of bringing in x number of IMGs to the healthcare system is quite an interesting question. "The taxpayer" does indeed spend more on a CMG vs an IMG, and a large proportion of IMGs certainly seem to make capable Canadian physicians. Why spend so much money training CMGs, then? The only rational reason is that there must be a belief that a CMG can provide benefit to the system that offsets this additional cost (although, assuming policy makers act in rational ways may be a bit of a leap). There are opportunities at the level of recruitment and UGME to mould the Canadian cohort to better serve rural populations, low SES populations, underserviced cultural groups, etc that aren't as easily accomplished by supplementing with IMGs. I've done research in rural physician workforce planning and at the very least, the evidence I'm aware of bears out that IMGs of any country-of-origin are overwhelming from affluent backgrounds and their ultimate practice location is generally in larger urban centers despite any ROS agreements. There are exceptions, of course, but the "refugee doctor" and other such individuals mentioned a few times in this thread are notable because they are the exception, not the rule. Whether or not the Canadian system is currently doing a good job of recruiting and training CMGs to best contribute to systemic needs is open for debate; if it isn't doing a good job , there should probably be some political pressure to fix it, since it costs so much. However, this potential benefit, rather than the sunken cost of training a CMG, is what I see as the primary argument to believe filling a given residency spot with a CMG is prima facie a better choice. Regardless, best of luck to all those that applied and interviewed in the second round. We're rooting for you.
    • CSAs should be aware that they're most likely going to end up with a useless piece of paper by going to SGU or elsewhere. That was their choice. I've also heard many horror stories from attendings about IMGs who had flawless files and looked like perfect candidates on paper ending up being liabilities and often downright dangerous. On the other hand, I have heard much less such stories about CMGs despite their numbers being much higher, most likely owing to the fact that they attended a standardised Canadian medical school.
    • Yes, 16 weeks too short. I'm not sure about any other schools, but this alone makes me question the source.
    • They've already paid a lot of money for CMGs. Seeing that CMG out of a residency spot because lobbying led to that residency spot going to an IMG is hardly a good deal regardless of how you put it. Now, matching IMGs after all CMGs without redflags have matched? That's a better deal.
    • That is the kind of thinking that is spot on discriminatory and vulgar...thank you for setting an example. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and make it easier for you to understand. Both CSAs and immigrant IMGs are Canadian Citizens/Permanent Residents who also pay taxes. I don't know why are you speaking about tax payer's money as if it is something that is rightfully yours or like you have been elected to speak on their behalf. The truth is Canadian taxpayers deserve quality health care and if that will happen by choosing the best of both CMGs and IMGs, then that is it. 
    • And I think that's the governments plan. How do you take power back from a powerful profession? By making them thankful for any scrap you throw them so they're less inclined to challenge you.
    • okok  on se tient au courant  bonne chance, je te le souhaite vraiment!
    • C'est bon à savoir, merci à vous deux !
    • Hello, thanks for starting up this thread!  Did you do a residency after graduating? If yes, how did you decide you wanted to do one and/or what factors did you look at in a program? If not, how did you decide you weren't going to do one and what were you looking for in a first job?  What influenced your decision to stay in the US rather than going back to Canada to find work?  Thanks in advance!