Ninja_Turtle Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Why are you posting this hear? That is a very rare and uncommon situation. Call ABP, call the school, and explain the misunderstanding. If that doesn't work, get a lawyer and make sure you get your deposit back.But really, do you want to go to a school that makes such a major fuck up and/or escalation without asking the student first? Seems very arbitrary and unfounded. Either they are making a colossal mismanagement of the situation OR you are also leaving out some pertinent information.If you are telling the truth, it seems fishy to me, I'd bet money that they over accepted and just want to get rid of a few internationals they don't actually have seats for. If they stand by their decision, make sure you get your deposit back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja_Turtle Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 They have agreed to give my full deposit back. It's not about the money though. I've called ABP, but they haven't been able to help. I've tried explaining the situation to the Associate Dean (of the international students) I've been discussing this with, who is the one who revoked my acceptance in the first place. I intend to forward everything to the Dean of the school early next week once I've gathered all the information (including letters from my family dr. and a psychologist to support my claims). I hadn't thought that they might have over accepted internationals; that's actually a likely possibility :S I'm really just hoping someone has been through something similar and could share their story/insight at this point. I realize its a really uncommon situation, but it can't be unprecedented. I'm just not even sure who to contact/what the next step is at this point. I was really ecstatic to be going to this school; although I am more hesitant now that this has occurred. Because you're right, this is a huge (and incredibly discriminatory) fuckup on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatricsdoc Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I am extremely sorry you had to go through this. I would suggest explaining to them the situation with medical proof and writing a professional letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Let me get this straight - you were exploring the idea of fraudulently claiming you needed an ESA and are surprised that came back to bite you in the butt? Denying someone admissions on the basis of a mental health concern, if it wouldn't impact their care for patients, is unacceptable. However, most schools do expect students to disclose medical conditions - mental health or otherwise - that could be reasonably expected to impact patient care. You've now implied you have a mental health condition significant enough to require an ESA that you failed to disclose. I can see how a person with an ESA could make a fine physician, but it's a significant condition at that point that could be reasonably expected to require disclosure. So if I'm the school, hearing that you might need an ESA but are now back-peddling, I'm thinking one of two things - either you have a mental health condition that could impact patient care and you're trying to hide it, or you attempted to use a fake mental health condition for your own gain, showing a distinct lack of caring for those with real mental health concerns. Both of these raise valid concerns about your professional conduct. As a dog-owner myself, I totally understand the desire to want to take your furry companion with you and to explore all options for making that happen. However, your behaviour, even the actions you've disclosed so far, cross a line. The school has a defensible position here, even if they responded hastily. You can and should explore all avenues for getting their decision reversed if your intention is still to attend this school, but I'd guess your chances at success will be fairly low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 They have agreed to give my full deposit back. It's not about the money though. I've called ABP, but they haven't been able to help. I've tried explaining the situation to the Associate Dean (of the international students) I've been discussing this with, who is the one who revoked my acceptance in the first place. I intend to forward everything to the Dean of the school early next week once I've gathered all the information (including letters from my family dr. and a psychologist to support my claims). I hadn't thought that they might have over accepted internationals; that's actually a likely possibility :S I'm really just hoping someone has been through something similar and could share their story/insight at this point. I realize its a really uncommon situation, but it can't be unprecedented. I'm just not even sure who to contact/what the next step is at this point. I was really ecstatic to be going to this school; although I am more hesitant now that this has occurred. Because you're right, this is a huge (and incredibly discriminatory) fuckup on their part. Once you get your money back fully, just walk away and re-apply to other schools next cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I get that you may not have actually made a request, and were just "information gathering", but really you should have used a throwaway email. Never know how things like this are interpreted, especially in a foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rial2 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Let me get this straight - you were exploring the idea of fraudulently claiming you needed an ESA and are surprised that came back to bite you in the butt? Denying someone admissions on the basis of a mental health concern, if it wouldn't impact their care for patients, is unacceptable. However, most schools do expect students to disclose medical conditions - mental health or otherwise - that could be reasonably expected to impact patient care. You've now implied you have a mental health condition significant enough to require an ESA that you failed to disclose. I can see how a person with an ESA could make a fine physician, but it's a significant condition at that point that could be reasonably expected to require disclosure. So if I'm the school, hearing that you might need an ESA but are now back-peddling, I'm thinking one of two things - either you have a mental health condition that could impact patient care and you're trying to hide it, or you attempted to use a fake mental health condition for your own gain, showing a distinct lack of caring for those with real mental health concerns. Both of these raise valid concerns about your professional conduct. As a dog-owner myself, I totally understand the desire to want to take your furry companion with you and to explore all options for making that happen. However, your behaviour, even the actions you've disclosed so far, cross a line. The school has a defensible position here, even if they responded hastily. You can and should explore all avenues for getting their decision reversed if your intention is still to attend this school, but I'd guess your chances at success will be fairly low. I have to agree here. Why would a medical school want to take on someone who either: 1. has a mental health condition requiring an ESA (which potentially implies that it could impact patient care) or 2. tried to fake having an ESA in order to find a loophole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I have to agree here. Why would a medical school want to take on someone who either: 1. has a mental health condition requiring an ESA (which potentially implies that it could impact patient care) or 2. tried to fake having an ESA in order to find a loophole I would strongly caution that line of thinking about "why" they would take someone who has a mental health condition. As long as it is disclosed up front, and managed, then that should have very little bearing on admissions. Litte comments like that, even if not intended to be hurtful, can add up and contribute to the culture of "don't tell people you have mental health problems" in medicine. Many people have mental health problems either entering medicine, or assuredly developed along the way IN medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_ _ Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I would strongly caution that line of thinking about "why" they would take someone who has a mental health condition. As long as it is disclosed up front, and managed, then that should have very little bearing on admissions. Litte comments like that, even if not intended to be hurtful, can add up and contribute to the culture of "don't tell people you have mental health problems" in medicine. Many people have mental health problems either entering medicine, or assuredly developed along the way IN medicine. I agree, it's sad to see that an admission could be taken away for someone having anxiety, without proof that it is impairing their functioning. However what they originally did, by taking advantage of the systems put in place to help people who truly have a mental health condition, is an even worse attitude towards mental health problems. As someone with close family members who are very ill with mental illness, it sickened me to read this(original) post. Their actions are entirely disrespectful of the people who those systems are in place for. Taking advantage of the aids for people who need them makes things even harder for the people who really do. It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatricsdoc Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Try calling the admissions instead of a letter by speaking directly or maybe even go to to the school in person to speak...Just better to talk in person or phone than writing email which can lead to communication barriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchPressedMD Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Given how unique your situation is, i doubt anyone here will be able to help much. You should send as much information to the dean as you can to show that you are healthy. Hopefully that will resolve the situation. It is very unfortunate, and I hope it gets resolved! Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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