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  1. 28 points
    I got mixed responses when I asked if I should do this but I did it anyways. I ended up sounding like fucking shrek so I do not advise doing this. Hopefully the interviewers thought I had a speech impediment or something
  2. 27 points
    I CANT BREATHE. I CANT BREATHE. ACCEPTED. 5th time applying, 2nd time interviewing , IP Guys never fucking give up. I have two undergrads, I'm doing my masters, I redid 4 of my cegep classes (yes i was 25 and hustling it in cegep). 3,8 science GPA. IM OFF RUNNING SOMEWHERE SCREAMING THAT IM HAPPY. PM me for anything.
  3. 27 points
    It’s going to be a long one. I wrote all of this before I got in, because there is something wonderfully raw and vulnerable about documenting my reflections while I’m still on the outside looking in. I knew that if I was unsuccessful this cycle, I would still read it to remind myself of how far I’ve come. -- My non-trad path is nothing unusual- I suppose I am just a late bloomer who paid her dues after the fact. The biggest challenge for me, throughout this whole journey, was lacking the protective factors to cushion the falls. I have been financially independent, which means choices were often made to have a financial safety net rather than for improving my med school applications. I had no one within my social network to guide me; my family has not been supportive of my decisions, so I felt like I could never turn to them (as of now they still don’t know that I interviewed and got accepted). This forum taught me everything I needed to know about getting into medical school, and that being a physician is still a possibility for someone like me. I began university when I was 18, completely lacking in self-awareness and nowhere near ready to make any sort of decisions about my future. I went to UofT for life sciences. There’s that joke: “How many UofT students does it take to change a light bulb? Four; one to change it and three to crack under the pressure”. Well, I was one of the three. My time at UofT was the closest I’d come to being depressed. My marks were atrocious; I felt worthless and incompetent all the time. My family didn’t understand- and didn’t know how to- help me; no one told me “you should stop and figure your shit out before completely ruining your transcript”. I tried going to counselling but felt like I was not being listened to, so I never went back. Something was very wrong, I didn’t know what or how to fix it. Things at home were bad. In my final year, I cut all financial ties with my parents, and moved out- I needed to become my own person. The independence was exhilarating. The financial stress was real, but my mental health also improved 100%, and I gained the energy and mental clarity to finally start thinking about what I wanted in life. Unfortunately, at this point my marks (cGPA of 3.1, no year above 3.5) were useless for any post-grad program. I applied to Michener’s medical radiation program, a second-entry bachelor program, to become an X-ray tech. I got accepted, but opted to not attend-- for the first time, I thought about what I wanted in my career, and decided it was not for me. I decided to take a year off and consider other second degree options. I started to look into becoming a dietitian (other RDs on this forum, like Real Beef, were very helpful). This would be a competitive process with a lot more uncertainty than going to Michener. I had a lot to prove and nothing to show for it. I used the year to work several minimum wage jobs in healthcare to save up money for a year of unpaid dietetic internship that would follow my second undergrad, while getting volunteer experience in nutrition to start building my resume for dietetic internship applications. I started my second degree in nutrition with a lot of self-doubt. After UofT, I was uncertain that I could even pull off low 80s. I was sure that everyone was smarter than me, and that I was the loser who flunked a whole degree but still couldn’t keep up. But I also had a level of mental clarity and focus that I’d never felt before. And low and behold, I ended up finishing my first year with the highest average in my program. A 3.94. It was then that I realized I was onto something-for the first time, it seemed like medicine could be a possibility. I decided to extend my second degree into 3 years, to be eligible for Ottawa (ironically, I never interviewed at Ottawa), while building my application for dietetic internships. This led me to different opportunities in leadership, teaching, and working with low SES populations. After 2 years into my second degree, I wrote the MCAT while working full-time and self-teaching myself the material despite taking (and flunking) my pre-reqs 4-5 years before that. I was pleasantly surprised with a balanced 514 (however, with a CARS of 128, it was never good enough for Western). The year after, I graduated from my second degree with the highest cumulative average in my program. It took me 3 cycles to get my first and only interview at Queen’s. During my second cycle, I was completing my dietetic internship, which provided many opportunities to gain clinical and counselling skills, work with marginalized populations, lead QI projects, and work within interdisciplinary teams- I learned more about my interest and suitability for medicine in this 1 year than I had in my whole life prior to this. Internship was hard work, but also gave me small boosts of confidence and signs I am not a complete dumbass (e.g. a nephrologist who had no idea that I was applying to med, after listening to my renal case presentation, told me how impressed he was that I’ve shown level of knowledge that he’d only expect from a senior medical resident; 2 of my preceptors said that in their 10-20 years teaching, they’ve never seen a student work so hard to improve herself and be so dedicated to her patients; rotation after rotation I was praised for my critical thinking skills and natural ease in developing rapport with patients). This wasn’t just about ticking off boxes to get into med, but about developing my passion for hands-on learning and learning about my strengths and weaknesses as a professional. For the first time in my life, I thought “maybe I am good enough to become a doctor.” When I submitted my application for the third cycle, I had just graduated from internship and started working in public health in Northern Ontario. I moved here because I wanted to continue to step outside of my comfort zone. I wanted to do more advocacy and upstream work, and this was the place to do it. At around the time of decision day, I had applied to RD jobs in Alberta to gain IP status for U of C. So here’s what I’ve learned in the last five years: · Know yourself. Know your identity outside of being a premed. Figure out what your values are, what kind of a person you want to be, what drives you to take action, what triggers your mind to go down dark rabbit holes. This takes time and effort, and self-reflection from life experiences, but it helps to build resilience against the hurdles along the application process, medical training, and set-backs life in general. Knowing who you are and what you have to offer the world protects you against having your self-esteem and identity shattered when things don’t go as you had hoped; it gives you the courage to say “let’s try again.” when the world seems to tells you “you are not good enough.” Similarly, I hear too often that when people have spent their whole life dedicated to getting into med school, that when they finally get in, they feel a bit lost- “now what?”. I suppose that happens when you see getting in as a final destination rather than one of the stops along a never-ending journey of building yourself up. People around me couldn’t fathom where I got the persistence to keep at it despite facing setbacks and watching the years go by. It’s because I knew there is nothing valuable that a rejection can take away from me. I have been building myself up as a person. I am still going to be me, no matter what happens inside that interview room, and what May 8th brings. I still possess all the traits that I worked hard to develop and love about myself- my grit, self-awareness, intellectual curiosity, empathy, open-mindedness- and these are all going to carry me far in life, medicine or not. No rejection letter can take that away from me. · Figure out what you want to accomplish in medicine, outside of medicine. I always ask myself: what's appealing about a career as a physician, and how can I try to achieve it through another route? What skills do I want to use on a day to day basis in my career? What core values and beliefs will motivate me to do what I do in my career? I think reflecting on this helps to flesh out your motivations for pursuing medicine, helps to identify alternative career paths, and should you pursue an alternative path while you reapply, helps you to gain insights and skills that will be useful for medicine. Hopefully the adcoms will recognize this. If not, well, at least your satisfaction with your alternative path will still be pretty high. · Be kind to yourself. The playing field is not even, and you don’t need to add an additional layer of self-inflicted cruelty to the mix. It’s ok to not feel 100% determined all the time. When the self-doubt starts to creep in, sit on it, talk to someone (in my opinion, everyone should have a therapist). Use the insights from the above 2 points to ground yourself and as motivation to keep going. · Develop yourself in areas outside of academics. What saved me was working minimum wage jobs since I was 16 (I actually started out cleaning bathrooms, after I was fired from scooping ice cream for being too socially inept. True story.). 75% of my activities on my ABS were employment. I had to work, because I did not come from a background as privileged as that of many premeds. If the circumstances were different, perhaps I would’ve gotten in earlier. But the real world was the best teacher I’ve ever had- it helped me develop financial independence and literacy, character, resilience, and interpersonal skills that helped me along every step of this journey. It helped to shape my convictions of the kind of physician, what kind of person, I want to be. Ease yourself into uncomfortable situations today to build resilience against shit-hitting-the-fan moments later in life. --- I also want to say that sometimes on these forums, we read non-trad stories and it seems like people were 100% determined from the get-go while they stayed on this one path for 4-10 years. I know I wasn’t…and that’s ok. As a non-trad, you have more life decisions to make along your journey, some big, some small. I know that I had to make many decisions over the years to favour either my nutrition career, chances for med school, or my personal life- many times, these three conflicted. There’s no right way to go about it- it depends on your risk tolerance, other responsibilities in life, and priorities. Know yourself…this is so, so important. I feel so privileged that everything in my life lined up so perfectly to allow me to pursue this path long enough to eventually get accepted. I’m always happy to chat about second degrees, being an RD, or anything related. Stay positive and kind to yourself, PM101.
  4. 20 points

    What is everybody using at med school?

    I've tried both and found that the iPad Pro has better hardware (Apple Pencil, longer battery, better display) and software (Notability, and although the surface has desktop Microsoft office with full features, I prefer the simpler mobile versions). With the iPad Pro, I was torn between using Notability vs OneNote. Notability has superior annotation, functional auto-sync to pdf, OneNote has better organization, infinite scroll in both x and y planes. So rather than choosing a compromise, I've ended up using both: Notability for in-class notes and OneNote for studying. Let me demonstrate what that looks like: Downloading the pdf/lecture file is easier on iPad (vs laptops) because you open it in the browser and tap "Open in Notability". This iniates multiple steps at once; it downloads the file, opens it in Notability, creates a pdf back-up in google drive that gets updated in real time as you take notes. All with one click. After class you get this: Then after class, you just tap the share button on the top left corner and with one tap save it in OneNote. Later when you're studying, you'll have room the ability to add additional subpages if necessary (Notability doesn't have this, see example below) and make additional comments/add resources on the side (see example below). You can also still annotate further: This system has worked beautifully for me so far. Let me know if you have any questions!
  5. 19 points
    6th time applying, 3rd time interviewing, still in shock to be posting this... Time Stamp: 12:25 PST Accepted, VFMP (first choice) AGPA: 86.55% MCAT: 512 (balanced, 129 CARS) ECs: Student government, orientations leader, crisis line volunteer, volunteering with various charities, hospital, lab assistant at various research labs (paid), CIHR funding for a summer, working at a gas station, currently working as a policy analyst for government, and a few very random but unique hobbies (honestly could have either really helped or not counted for anything, they're pretty out there) Geography: IP Year: BSc completed 2013, Master's completed 2016, currently working full-time Interview: Honestly felt like the best interview I've ever had, and I've done 12 (!) of them in the past 5 years. I walked out of every station this year feeling pretty good, and knew I absolutely nailed at least two of them (the acting station went almost perfectly, and there was one where I really felt I connected with the interviewer). There were some that were probably average, but I didn't feel like I bombed any of them - which was a first. Usually I walk out of them unsure and crossing my fingers that things worked out (it never did), this time was completely different. Stats from last year: NAQ: 29.00 AQ: 25.58 TFR: 54.58 Interview: Below Average (below average the year before as well) I feel so blessed to have finally received an acceptance to a Canadian medical school. I've been applying for years now, and have been given so many opportunities - which I always ended up blowing. I've interviewed at UBC the past 3 years, but I've interviewed at Calgary, McMaster, Alberta, and Saskatchewan (I had a really high old MCAT score) over the years. May has consistently been the worst month of the year for me, and last year was especially awful because I spent a lot of time practicing - every week for a couple hours since the previous summer - and still received a rejection. That was a pretty low point in my life tbh. The practice did help, but I think the thing really holding me back was my lack of maturity. I had always been very academically focused, and to be honest hadn't really had a chance to live a life. I think doing that the past few years - falling in love, going to bars with friends, arguing about politics, moving to my own place and dealing with laundry and dinner - has really helped me grow as a person, and I think permanently changed who I am. I went into each of those stations as if I was talking to my girlfriend about an interesting topic over lunch. I had fully formed opinions and thoughts on subjects because I'd argued about these things over beer with friends (and on reddit). I'd had cool experiences to talk about not just from volunteer activities, but also from disagreements with a roommate or co-workers, or from moving across the country for a master's program. Anyway, wanted to get that off my chest. This year really did feel different, and I'm glad it ended up being different. I interviewed at Calgary as well this year but felt terrible after (question style is very different from UBC imo, which I focused my preparation for), and got a rejection. I also interviewed at a US school and received an acceptance, but the tuition kind of terrifies me so I was still really stressed out this week. To those who didn't get an offer this year, trust me when I say I know how it feels. I've had a lot of experience trying to improve my application over the years, so if anyone wants some advice, or even just to chat or rant, please reach out through PM. This process really involves a lot of luck, and there are so many amazing people who don't get accepted every year. If you really want this, it'll happen eventually.
  6. 18 points

    2017 Backpack?

    LEGOLAS, WHAT DO YOUR CALGARIAN EYES SEE? Edit: okay wow I just now read the entire thread and realized how serious this got. Oops.
  7. 16 points
  8. 16 points
    Result: Accepted Geography: OOP GPA: 3.96 MCAT: 508 (129 CARS) <--Yes, you can get in with a low MCAT as an OOP! Degree: Bachelors of Commerce (2012) (No science prereqs) E.C: Non-trad applicant. Years of work experience in Investment Banking, Travel Agency. My volunteering activities are mainly cultural or entrepreneurship related. Won some top-level business awards. Black belt in Taekwondo. Grew up working on a farm. Traveled to over 35 countries. Fitness Mentor/Advocate. (No research at all) Interview: Felt most prepared for the U of A interview as it was my last of 3. The questions were more straightforward than UBC or McMaster. I really, really enjoyed the panel. I felt like I finally had a chance to talk about myself and show my personality. The panel interviewers were very nice and conversational as well. I felt iffy on the MMI. On 2-3 stations I did blah and the rest of I did okay. I think my ECs and Panel Interview really pulled through for me. I'm just so grateful right now to have received this opportunity. As I am writing this, I still can't believe it. After 6 years of contemplation, denial, and self-doubt, I finally now get the chance to become a doctor. When I found out that the results were released on this forum, I was at my desk at work. I literally just got up and ran out the door. I nervously tried to login to my account and ended up keying my password wrong 3 times. To avoid getting locked out, I had to call my fiancee to check my result on my home laptop where the password was already saved. When he read the admission decision to me over the phone, I crumbled to my knees and started crying. It was an unbelievable moment. I felt all the worry, pain, and doubt just wash away. I'm sure everyone that walked past me thought I was crazy. But I didn't care. This was the best day of my life. We are, at any moment, capable of pursuing our dreams. - The Alchemist, Paulo Coelho If medicine is your dream, don't give up. Never, ever give up.
  9. 15 points

    Waitlist Thread 2019

    I just want to take a few minutes to thank the many people on this forum who have been available to me over the past few years, months, and (especially) weeks. Without going into too much detail, I wanted to share that I had a difficult experience a few years ago that changed me as a person and set me back several years. When I first decided to pursue this field, very few people in my personal life believed I could do it. It wasn’t until I found this community that I was bombarded by a constant stream of advice, encouragement, comfort, and support. All I can think to say right now is thank you. Thank you to the many people who have reached out to me via PM, on this thread, and on others to calm my fears and worries, share their strength, and give hope. Thank you for teaching me to believe in myself when no one else did. Thank you for disproving the premed stereotype. Just thank you. I promise I will pay it forward. To current/future applicants: If this is your dream and you are sincere in your intentions and efforts, it WILL happen for you. You are already enough. Continue striving to be the best version of yourself. And during those late night studying sessions and weekend lab hours when you’re asking yourself “Is this worth it?,” I want you to know: Yes it is.
  10. 15 points
    I don't usually post my stats anymore since they've basically remained the same from my posts 2 years ago. I'll make an exception in this time just because of how -relatively- little data usually gets contributed here. TIME STAMP: Feb 21 2019, 11:17 EST Interview Date: March 30 Result: Interview (MD) cGPA: 3.96 (by rounding) MCAT: Passed cutoffs ECs: Filled up all 32 items this year, but I've had an interview back when I had 21/48 items. Diverse and met each of UofT's clusters quite well. Essays: Spent at least 1.5 months on them, at least 400 hours. Was it overkill? To be honest, probably. I'm not a bad writer by any means, but when it comes to pieces with word limits, I believe in the importance of articulating each idea as succulently and artistically as possible. My grades did suffer but I wanted to write essays that could stand strong among a diverse audience of readers (which is to be reasonably expected of) and leave myself without regret. All of the topics strongly resonated with my experiences and I had a lot to share. If anything, future readers should find this observation helpful: having exchanged essay reviewing with some of my friends, I've come to realize that there isn't a single, uniform writing style that really makes the magic happen. Some of my friends briefly addressed the question within a single few sentences, then built their entire essays on how their experiences met the four clusters. Personally, I dedicated almost half my word count towards giving a thorough answer/solution before briefly sharing some personal experiences. We all got an interview. Year: Graduated UG Geography: OOP Two years ago, I did horribly on my interview. I knew my application wasn't strong: I had a weak reference, few extracurriculars and ultimately, couldn't hold up to applicants with an amazing wealth of experience behind them. I was invited during the final week and suspected that I had only marginally scraped into getting an interview. I convinced myself that the odds weren't in my favour and let myself fall. Last year I didn't take my essays as seriously enough and got rejected March 16th. Firstly, the topics just didn't click with my experiences. Secondly, seeing that I already had been previously been invited, I grew extremely over-confident and complacent in my writing. I got no interviews from any school during this year. Each interview is a privilege. Each year, med schools get more and more amazing applications, either from those who have come back strong after a previous rejection, or new talented applicants. Perhaps I'm just on this site too often, but getting accepted 4th year doesn't seem as common as it once was. In any case, I'm extremely grateful to have another chance of making things right.
  11. 15 points

    GPA no longer considered (!!!!)

    @YesIcan55 I'm sorry but it's disgusting how insulting you've been our high GPA and/or young classmates. These "19 to 20 year olds" were among some of the best students in our class personally.....I speak for those in my class at least when I say that they are some of the most diligent and well rounded individuals, who are qualified to interact with patients. Not to mention.... there's like < or = to 5 in a class of ~162..... like come on ... Or the fact that the 4.0 students "spent days in their room"..... does that explain how despite the average hovering between 3.90 and 3.96 across the country that a majority of those students just study??? are you for real? I didn't have a high GPA going into medical school but never thought those that had a higher GPA were less social than I was... if anything, having a low GPA was my fault and I should have done better. If you want to make jabs at people at least have some actual sources/evidence before you make a claim like above. You have done this repeatedly in your posts.... whether it's looking down on typical science grads, or think med students feel "high and mighty" just because we got into a school in Canada, and now trying to put down people with a high GPA and marginalizing their hard work while trying to justify your cognitive dissonance with your warped perception ... We get you're upset with not getting into medical school and that sucks given the work you put into it, ... but seriously stop trying insulting those that have. - G
  12. 14 points

    May 14 Countdown

    Kawhi Leonard is my daddy
  13. 14 points

    Queens MD Invites/Regrets 2018

    Result: Invite! Time Stamp: Jan 31. 2:57 PM Interview Date: TBD wGPA/cGPA: 3.97 Year: 4th year Undergrad MCAT: 518 (131/126/130/131) ECs: See previous posts Geography: IP Can't believe I finally got an interview here. It feels so fuckin good to finally feel rewarded after writing the MCAT 5 times over 4 of the past 5 summers. I'm also shocked that I'm sitting here with 3 interviews after spending my past 5 years telling myself Ottawa will be the only shot that I'll get.
  14. 13 points

    May 14 Countdown

  15. 13 points
    Hi - although your distressing past experiences have left an impact on you, you have evidently had the strength to move on and make a fresh start, developing satisfying interpersonal relationships and succeeding in gaining admission to medical school. You should be commended on rising above your previous experiences and living well as a way of overcoming the actions of those who tried to put you down. If you let them hold you back now, it would negate the gains you have made, effectively letting them 'win.' You may be surprised - people may develop more moral conscience as they mature, and could regret their previous actions. However, even if they don't, you don't need your classmates to successfully get through medical school. Interacting with people going through the same experiences as you is not necessarily a blessing, as it can also mean competition. Most schools will have student advisors and students from upper years to provide guidance. For emotional support, you have your family and friends outside medical school. Don't worry about socializing in medical school - your goal is to become a doctor, so just pass your exams in pre-clerkship and conduct yourself professionally throughout your clerkship rotations. Maintain a polite distance from your former classmates and if anyone instigates trouble, they can be held accountable for lapses in professionalism. However, hopefully nothing of the sort will happen, as again the teen/early adult years are a period of maturation, and if nothing else, people at this stage should be more reluctant to be involved in anything that could harm their careers. There will be other students in your medical school class, and hopefully you can find a like-minded individual or individuals, but if not, it is not a big deal. The four years are busy and will be over before you know it, and then you can make a fresh start in residency.
  16. 13 points
  17. 12 points

    The process is taking it's toll...

    This is my 5th time applying...when I first applied for the first time I heard of stories of people who applied many times and I thought that would never be me because I couldn't imagine the stress/anguish those re-applicants would face. I would lie if I said that rejections year after year didn't affect my self-esteem. Know that you are not alone. What keeps me going is hearing stories of those who got in after many cycles. Just the other day I was talking to someone who got in after their 8th try, yes 8th try. For some of us, it takes more time, but in the end I feel being a many time re-applicant gives us many good qualities like perseverance and allowing us to appreciate our position in medical school compared to someone who gets in right away. I am also a very firm believer of the saying that if you want it bad enough [getting into a Canadian Medical School], you will get in. Some people give up in undergrad, some give up after a poor MCAT, some never apply, some give up after one rejection, some give up after two rejections, some give up after not being interviewed for three years, etc etc.. but eventually it will come if you are actively improving your application (GPA/MCAT/EC/interview/etc). I have also heard of an extreme case, maybe one in a hundred type case but still notable nonetheless, a lady who has interviewed 6 years and applied for TWELVE straight years acquiring an undergrad, two masters, a PhD, and a current Post doc. I know that is a very extreme case, but hey some people never quit.
  18. 12 points
    Just wanted to point out that in order to "choose money over medicine", one would have to be accepted into medical school first. You can't truly choose between two options if you are only offered one option.
  19. 12 points
    I can’t believe this. I got in. I’m outside the office on my knees and crying. Everyone thinks I’m crazy. This is the best day of my life.
  20. 12 points
    So after my 9th rejection for this cycle alone, I decided to celebrate with Chinese food and here's what came out of my fortune cookie. The universe is literally trolling me.
  21. 12 points
    You are missing the point of references. Its about who you are not who they are.
  22. 11 points

    To those who got refused

    Even though she doesn't speak about medicine per say, I found her message valuable and thought I'd share it with my fellow candidates. It might help some of you cope with rejection and to not give up on your dream even when it seems unattainable.
  23. 11 points
    Up until dental school, a big motivation for doing well in school is just to get good grades. In dental school, you're studying to become a healthcare professional. Thus, you start realizing that learning is not just about doing well in school but you're also trying to learn how to best treat and help your patients. It's not so much about the grades anymore as it is about learning what is relevant and important to your future career. What you learn, a lot of it will be applicable down the road unlike in undergrad. Academically: Everyone is pretty bright in dental school and were top students in undergrad. It means many are amazing memorizers, test-takers, and are very detail-oriented. You may end up being average and this requires some getting used to. Just do your best, pass your courses, and try not to compare yourself too much to others. Also, people may be book smart but their hand skills may not be the best. Some people are good at both. Understand that hand skills and clinical judgement are key as a budding dentist. Even if you have memorized all the requirements for an ideal prep, if you can't use indirect vision and drill this prep to the ideal specifications, then it leaves a bit to be desired. Another thing is that you will have less time to study more content. Often I went into exams not fully confident/ready - just do your best. Socially: Amazing. You will have a wonderful group of classmates of which many will be your friends for life. Always so much going on and it's so easy to get to know upper years. Upper years are so helpful and will help find you extra teeth, good patients to assist, shadowing opportunities, etc. Faculty: Super approachable and they treat you as equals/colleagues. Learn as much as you can from them. Professionally: From dental conferences to companies wining-and-dining you (insurance and financial advisors, etc.), you will have a lot of opportunities to learn about life after graduation. This means a lot of free food, dressing up fancy, and networking. Maybe it won't be today, tomorrow, or next week but as long as I work hard every day, I will eventually be a good, competent dentist. I am very lucky to study a field I enjoy and attend a school in one of the most awesome cities in the world and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I have made so many new friends but I also cherish time with non-dental friends, family, and myself. I make sure to work hard but also play hard.
  24. 11 points

    Countdown to decisions [doomsday]

    Ladies and gentlemen, within 24 hours we will all know our fate: acceptance, rejection, or purgatory. Thanks to everyone that joined in for my memes and antics. I apologize if I induced anxiety for anyone over the last 3 weeks. I wish everyone the best of luck. Try to get some good sleep tonight (I know I won't). Please remember, even if you receive a rejection, you've made it to the interview which is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. Don't give up (I know I won't)! And lets all post our stats tomorrow for the future applicants to see.
  25. 11 points
  26. 10 points

    Accepted 2019

    Just a little thought that I felt compelled to share. For those of you that are fortunate enough to live in an area with Daylight Savings Time, just remember that decision letters are 1 hour closer than you may have thought.
  27. 10 points
    Title pretty much says it all. I'm a MS1 at Schulich, and last year I made a website with all my MCAT resources and all my interview resources too. I'm guessing if you're reading this you've already done the MCAT, but you might find my interview prep materials useful. You can find it all here - https://ultimatepremedpackage.wordpress.com/interviewing/ Please let me know if you have any questions! Of course, I can't tell you what questions they asked me, etc., but I can give general information about the day or whatever. I might see some of you for your interview day, but if not - good luck! You'll do great!
  28. 10 points

    Waitlist Support Thread - 2018

    I just called their office. I believe it was Diane who picked up. She said the class is not full and they still have a number of calls to make next week as Chantal is STILL away. She said Chantal should be back on Tuesday and that’s when we can expect the calls to be made.
  29. 10 points
    I tend to try to have a very critical and realistic approach towards my application. I feel confident about myself, very proud of what I presented and wouldn't change anything in my interview performance. On the other end, I feel that hoping for the best might create expectations. Therefore, as hard as it may be, I have convinced myself that I will be rejected. My current focus is based on that assumption and is targeted to improving myself for next year. No matter what parameters are measured, this process is somewhat 'random'. I firmly believe that a rejection is not correlated to an inability to be an excellent physician. That is as true for the pre-interview selection as it is for post-interview results. It is a multi-factorial process and only tiny differences separate us all. A rejection is just based on an impersonal ranking ; it doesn't represent you. There is no 'injustice' and I won't accept to 'feel sorry for myself'. Think about it : every year, someone is #1 on the waitlist and doesn't get in. I know it might not be the most optimistic way of looking at things but... If you trust your gut, follow what's in your heart and work hard, you'll be happy. And eventually, you will make it. This year or next year. Best of luck and may you all have positive results
  30. 9 points
  31. 9 points

    B on my Transcript

    Let us know what the beaches in the caribbean are like
  32. 9 points

    Admitted but never kissed a girl

    this is the most cringe story/advice I have ever heard. OP please ignore this
  33. 9 points
    Hello, Please excuse myself for this response but I have to make this. I am not an OT applicant but I've got to pick apart this message because this post is quite timely right when results are out and frankly are scaring other people about their acceptance for which they worked very hard to get today. First and foremost, I can't fathom the fact that you joined this forum 2 hours ago just to make this point of yours. I'm sure you must have came across this forum when you were applying yourself to OT schools. Anyhow that is extraneous to my following points. The job market in Toronto is saturated and frankly wherever you go, especially in a busy city, it is always going to be saturated. Please don't frighten new students just because the supposed market is saturated. I am currently in my final stretch to become a PA, and I've had many people told me about the job market prospects being saturated, but that doesn't mean I should not become what I wanted to become. Getting a job is tough, it's multifactorial- economy, your skills, personality, and how well you come across during an interview 2 years from now or whenever. I just want people who are accepted to day to UofT or wherever to know that don't be scared of what the market will be like 2 years from now. There will always be a job opening somewhere, although for some it may be close to home, for others they may have to make some sacrifices and move there, and that's something you have to be willing to do if the situation demands it. I currently go to a PA program in USA, am from originally in toronto. We practice many of our skills in lab with models and not on humans. We are practically thrown into the placement with only experience largely on models, and very little on humans, but yet we turn out fine. It does take time to adapt, but the programs that are accredited for OT, i'm sure follow a certain requirement of what is to be taught. I get that the expansion part of class size can be an issue, and whether you may be open about it or not, it feels to me like you got placed at UTM whenever you were accepted and you don't get to have the classroom interaction because you are primarily watching live-streamed lectures. I quote "The format is live videos of lecturers from St George campus with occasional classes taking place at UTM. Class discussion are made much more difficult and honestly with this many people (and the technological barriers), it is not a very conducive learning environment.", and i feel this is one of your hurting points about this program and I agree with you, if you are in a master's program, and you have to watch recorded / live stream lectures, it sucks. There is no standard classroom interaction that those at St. George can get. But that isn't a reason to tell someone not to go to their school of choice, esp if it was UofT or whichever. The onus then becomes on you to be able to adapt to situation and variables outside your control - like where you got placed, and ask the questions you need outside of class. It's not ideal but its as best you can do, i mean i'm sure you must be doing that, and I have no doubt that there must be some sort of option available to ask faculty members at UofT. The matter of focus on theory and research, what each program focuses on will vary i guess from school to school and that is something that isn't in your control and there will be no perfect program that focuses on skills and less on theory and research. Being of UofT undergraduate student at one point in time, I can say there is more emphasis on research and theory but that's UofT in general by nature. But it's still not a reason for those individuals today who worked hard to get 100 or however many spots out of 1000+ applications to give up on their choice. The whole issue about health / mental reasons and taking leave is important and something that all programs around the world especially the professional level need to work on. The programs are so tight packed and paced that there isn't much room for a break for the students in the program. I myself went through 2 cases where I had pneumonia and both times I was told, "being sick isn't an excuse to not write the exam", and the program i'm in, we move module wise, so everyone's got to pass before the next module starts. It sucks, and they need to be better on these aspects, its ridiculous! For that, I am absolutely with you, they need to be more understanding about some accommodation for whatever issues we are facing. As for the placements, honestly, it sucks that they ship you out to Brampton or Markham, but honestly it's not that far away from Toronto. Unfortunately, insurance prices are sky high in Toronto, and having a car is a huge financial burden, so I cannot speak for everyone, but having a car is practically needed especially for programs like this and practically anywhere you go in USA. I drive 65 miles to my placement, and it absolutely sucks, but I don't view that as an obstacle to not going into the program I'm in, nor would I hesitate to choose the school I go to, despite all its flaws. I applaud you for speaking up and raising awareness about the flaws of the program at UofT, and frankly I don't even know if you're in the program, and it's hard for me to ignore that you made an account 2 hours ago just to make this post. As a critical mind, I hypothesize, what if you are on the waitlist for this program? After all, we are all just anonymous usernames on a thread. The same could be said about me, but I have no bias towards deterring those who got in today from choosing the program and school they wanted to go to before today. Conflict of interest would be that I have very close friends who read your post and now all of a sudden, the program they were so excited and hoping to get an acceptance from this whole cycle, are now suddenly doubting because of one post on a forum. To those who read this and are potentially waitlisted, accepted or rejected (and are planning to apply to this school in focus), don't let one person's experience or view change what you wanted to do or go. I can honestly write a lot about the program I go to, but you have to understand there will be flaws and pros at every school. For some, such factors mentioned above are so pivotal it changes their opinion about where they want to go or what they want to do, but for others like me, I adapt with what I can, accept the non-perfect situation and make best of what I can with it. At the end of the 2 years, you still have a career despite what the job market may be, and have at least enough training to do the job you need to do, you may not get extensive training but that's where the learning takes place, once you are out there on your first job. Congratulations to all those who are accepted and don't lose hope for those who are waitlisted or have been rejected, I myself had to try three times before getting into the program and school I wanted.
  34. 9 points

    Prévision et admission Medecine 2019

    GOT IN !!! ULAVAL! CRU :33.077 MEM 616
  35. 9 points

    May 14 Countdown

  36. 9 points

    May 14 Countdown

    Best of luck tomorrow everybody and thank you for the company you definitely helped me stay a little more sane and a lot less alone. I hope you all hear some good news tomorrow and whatever happens, you've all done an amazing job working hard over the years, putting your best application forward and waiting through this crazy process.
  37. 9 points
    With a 325 M line of credit, I think this will really augment the self-care aspect of medical school. We can all agree that every student needs their own private jet and yacht to succeed #self-care. Right now, I just could not picture taking anything less than 400 million for my line of credit, but with the 500$ Amazon card, I am tempted to settle for a lowly 325 million LOC. I guess the penthouse I wanted will just need to wait.
  38. 9 points

    My MCAT Guide

    Hello fellow wannabe doctors, I am currently a TA at SFU and I made the following MCAT guide for my students since I had quite a few of them asking me how I succeeded on the MCAT. I figured I might as well share the love! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OVjOBp8jB2mDGp7x27uZTeMpp4qdA0ugYTvbatvNL8c/edit?usp=sharing
  39. 9 points

    Accepted 2019

    I’m heading to the Tupper in an hour, if I have the courage to go to admissions, I’ll ask and update everyone!
  40. 9 points

    Words of support and encouragement

    It's that time of the year again where we can hear the echos of tearful joy or sorrow spread across the country as MD admission decisions get released. It's also common for those who's facing the pangs of disappointment from a rejection to ask why... why was I not good enough? why did I fail? It's hard to see it right now, but a rejection is not a reflection of your worth as a human nor a measure of your integrity as a person. The admissions process just another set of criteria that can be overcome with time. Having been rejected once before narrowly achieving my acceptance (my story is buried somewhere in the non-trad success forums) I can definitely relate to the pangs of guilt, disappointment, and frustration from a rejection letter. However, it gave me the opportunity for great introspection and self-improvement. Now having succeeded in getting into medical school, I can confidently say I am a better person and will be a better doctor now than if I had gotten in right away. In general, it's not a question of why... simply a matter of when. If anyone would like to talk I'm more than happy to provide what support I can. Otherwise hang in there and know that there's support for you somewhere out there. As always ... best wishes to everyone, - G
  41. 9 points
    Man, I hate to revive an old forum post from 2016, but I just started medical school at McMaster this year, and I've definitely noticed this. I've noticed it so much that it really, really bugged me, I went and did some research on why the hell my class is like this, and found this thread. I come from a middle class family. Our income was slightly above the national median, but we actually have real trouble making ends meet. During the financial aid talk this week, the professor asked how many of us had NO DEBT going into medical school, and 3/4 of the class put up their hands. I went to school in downtown Toronto, and I'd say more than 1/2 of students from my high school had to borrow from OSAP to pay for their undergraduate degree. I personally have 12k in OSAP debt from undergrad. I talked about this to my group of friends back home (some of whom want to be doctors) and all of us had OSAP debt. I told them about how my class was made up of rich kids - imagine how discouraging that must have been for them. And then I got to know more of my class. Many of them had parents who were doctors, professors, etc. It was disproportionate, and they talk about it really casually, "my dad does family medicine at blah blah". I don't think I went to a shady high school or something, but aren't these sort of family backgrounds supposed to be somewhat rare? Among my entire circle of high school friends, not one of them came from such a good background as having a family doctor as a parent - NOT ONE. I've had no doctor mentors to take me through this process. I hate to feel this way, but I'm beginning to feel like the whole medicine enterprise is about a bunch of rich people from really privileged backgrounds who make a ton of money taking care of the poor (it's hard to deny that medicine pays really well) - and it makes me feel really dirty. Dirty in the sense that medicine is supposed to be a public service, not a system to perpetuate privilege. Shouldn't poor kids have a better shot at moving up socioeconomically? More importantly, on the public service side, doesn't it benefit medicine to recruit students from middle class backgrounds - people who understand what it's like to work stressful factory jobs while taking care of 3 kids, people who are obese, smokers, diabetic, and have high blood pressure (all 4 of which, I'm pretty sure, are far more prevalent in people of lower SES). My family isn't that poor, but I have an understanding of what many of these things are like - my mom has three of the above conditions (obesity, diabetic, high BP), and I'm pretty certain if we had more money, she'd be in better health. I actually really understand this, because I can see the stress she's under. I have a first hand appreciation of the social determinants of health, and I think it's a bit of a shame that not many medical students do. I mean, they learn it in class an all, and they answer all the questions correctly at the interview, but every time you tell med students about the sorts of conditions the AVERAGE canadian family (like mine) live in, they're absolutely shocked and appalled, because they've lived in nothing other than a big fancy house, with 4 course nutritious meals at dinner, living at a boarding school. All of the things I've described above will affect the development of the kids in that family, believe it or not. The SES bias is NOT a product of tuition being too expensive - realistically i've never heard of anyone not being able to "afford" medical school in Canada, if they have an acceptance in hand - they'll manage. Yes, there's very little excuse for someone to say "I did poorly on that math test because I came from poor parents". But medical school is more than just a single math test. IT's a LOT of work to get into. To do so, you need to reach your full potential. You need not only to do very well in school, but you have to be highly accomplished. People can only do these things if their basic needs are well met. I've seen my mom cry about not being able to pay off the mortgage - imagine how that makes me feel? It makes me hurt inside every time I spend my parents' money to buy food for myself. It means I have to work every summer to be able to live away from home, because I don't want to ask my parents to pay my rent. How can I focus fully on ECs when all this is going on? I mean, I made it into medical school, but imagine how much further I could have gone if I didn't have to worry about these things. People can only reach their full potential when all their needs are met. I want to emphasize that my family income is slightly ABOVE median. The majority of Canadian students are in family backgrounds that prevent them from reaching their full potential. I remember sitting on a GO Bus listening to a student behind me talking to her friend about her med school ambitions, about all the shit that goes on at home, about her sister attempting suicide because of school-related stress - she's not that far from the average family. Imagine how hard it must be for her. I wouldn't have made it if that was my family. These sorts of problems are common in Canadian families, believe it or not, but REALLY rare in families with >100k income (do your parents make more than 100k?) - I hope none of you are surprised to hear that, because rich families have a lot more control over their lives. That sister of hers would have just moved on to business or something without a care in the world. Some of the posts in this thread made me a little upset. It's easy to deny that family income has ANYTHING to do with medical school admissions success when you've been in a privileged household your whole life. This is my experience, and it doesn't surprise me at all now how skewed med school classes are. It's not the tuition, anyone who can get into medical school can afford it - I've never heard of any Canadian medical student being unable to attend, or even hesitant to attend, just because the tuition is expensive (quite frankly, engineering programs can cost $16k a year, medicine is a bargain). The cost of writing the MCATs and submitted applications is a factor, but not the leading factor. I'm pretty sure it's just the fact that kids from privileged backgrounds are more likely to do better in school, not because they're smarter, but because their needs are well met, allowing them to truly reach their full potential. You need to have your needs met before you can get a 4.0, before you can spent hours working on your med school/nserc/scholarship applications, before you can work at an inner city HIV clinic, or whatever the hell else premeds do. Being smart may partly be a genetically inherited factor, but I'm certain it doesn't explain a substantial part of the bias - I know plenty of smart poor kids who are definitely smart enough to be in my class. Also, why is there only one (I think) black guy in my class? That's why I kind of like Mac. I'm not the dean or anything, but I think at least part of the reason they don't look at ECs is because ECs favors privileged kids (I hope Queens' dean sees this). I'd still say Mac has a way to go. By the way, how many of you come from households with income above $100k? If so, you need to realize that you're somewhat privileged. You may not notice because all the kids in your school are likewise rich, another aspect of your privilege. YOU need to see what school is like in downtown Toronto. My high school produces about one med student per year. I hear many of the suburbian high school product 10s of med students per year. Are downtown kids just dumb? I think this article is worth a read:http://www.universityaffairs.ca/features/feature-article/medical-school-admissions-process-skewed/
  42. 9 points


    curing cancer
  43. 9 points

    2017 Queen's Waitlist Poll

    I just wanted to leave the waitlistees who haven't been accepted anywhere with some words of encouragement. I know exactly how it feels to be in your position. I never got off of Queen's waitlist last cycle. All of you that had the opportunity to interview should be very proud of yourselves. It truly is an accomplishment to reach this stage considering the incredible competition. My advice is to take a few days to grieve. After that get working on your apps for the next cycle. Analyze your application and see where you can improve (interview skills, ECs, etc.) and give it another shot. Despite being in 3 cycles I have yet to matriculate and am still determined to do so. Let me serve as an example of the tenacity that this process demands. Hopefully the upcoming cycle will be the one. Good luck to all.
  44. 8 points

    What kind of applicant DOESN'T match?

    I understand the point of view that you are trying to portray. However, there are several factors you have omitted in your assessment that, in my opinion, point to luck playing a larger role than you are inferring. When applying to an ultra competitive specialty (re Ophtho, Plastics, Derm), getting your desired elective at a specific site is challenging. Often times, people will be unable to secure electives at certain schools despite applying several times (sending in an application right as the portal opens for that select week for every 2 week elective slot they have). This is completely random and not in your control. Furthermore, schools will infer interest in the program based on your elective set (which you may have limited ability to decide). Now in ultracompetitive schools, they will only interview you if you have done an elective at the school. Now let’s talk about preceptors. You can be a super star medical student but if you don’t work with the right people, this won’t mean a thing. What do you do if during your elective the PD took a 2 week vacation? What if none of your preceptors are part of the ADCOM? These are all things that influence your ability to match that you have no control over. Now you have submitted your application. Maybe the person reviewing your application doesn’t value your hobbies, research etc. Maybe they are in a bad mood when they read your application...etc The system we currently have has no objective measurements to compare students. We rely on subjective measurements that are easily influenceable by luck. We create an artificial rat race to try and select the ideal candidate, however I would argue that the criteria we use, often time have little to do with your ability to perform your job.
  45. 8 points

    Médecine ou médecine dentaire?

    Je n'ai jamais envisagé médecine dentaire, mais je peux te parler de la médecine. Sur le plan pratique : Il est certain que si tu as toujours rêvé d'un horaire stable, il faut t'enlever ça de la tête pour devenir médecin. Bien que le choix de la spécialité a une influence, la majorité des disciplines s'accompagnent d'horaires atypiques et chargés. Si c'est une spécialité qui t'intéresse, comme Elgar l'a dit, certaines sont très convoitées et difficile d'accès; mais rien n'est impossible. Ça dépend aussi tellement de ce que tu veux faire! Tellement de choix qui s'offrent à toi. Perso, l'adrénaline de l'urgence, c'est quelque chose qui m'attire énormément. Chaque milieu/spécialité à ses propres caractéristiques et ça rend le tout très varié. Il est certain que deux journées dans la vie d'un médecin ne se ressemblent jamais. Pour la médecine familiale, il y a plein d'alternatives qui peuvent être très satisfaisantes (tournées sur les étages de médecine, obstétrique, urgence, GMF, ...) En région, les médecins généralistes font souvent plusieurs de ces milieux, selon leur préférence. Il peut être difficile de se trouver un poste au début, alors la plupart des médecins débutent en tant que «dépanneurs». Bien que ça les amène à voyager dans plusieurs hôpitaux, ils ont ainsi souvent le choix de leur horaire. Par exemple, je travaille avec une DOC à l'urgence qui fait 10 jours en ligne et qui prend le reste du mois en congé pour être avec ses enfants. C'est à sa convenance, selon les besoins des hôpitaux pour lesquels elle fait du dépannage. Et son salaire top 190 000+ net par année. Encore là, ça dépend de l'hôpital et du système de paiement. Si le médecin a un bon roulement, et que dans ce milieu il est payé au nombre de patients vus, la paie sera plus grande. Sinon, il y a le côté humain de la médecine qui est hors du commun et magnifique. Les médecins aident, soignent et traitent des patients souvent vulnérables à cause de leur maladie/condition de santé. Ils font la différence sur une base régulière dans la vie des gens. La reconnaissance qu'un patient te donne après qu'il trouve que tu l'aies bien soigné et que tu te sois bien occupé de lui, ça n'a pas de prix. J'ai l'impression qu'il faut le vivre pour le comprendre. Juste pour ça, ça vaut la peine de faire médecine selon moi. Pour être médecin, il faut être une personne qui aime avoir la responsabilité sur ses épaules. Les médecins prennent des décisions parfois difficiles et tout n'est pas toujours évident (diagnostic, traitements, démarche à suivre,...). Il faut être capable de parfois vivre avec une dose d'incertitude dans les actions posées, car tout n'est pas toujours noir ou blanc (pensons au diagnostic différentiel)! Si tu es une personne de nature stressée, ça peut devenir épuisant comme travail. Aussi, il est certain que comme médecin, tu es toujours extrêmement stimulé au niveau intellectuel. Il faut faire des liens, associer des symptômes à des conditions, etc. Et quand tu rencontres un patient avec une pathologie rare, c'est vraiment plaisant. Le texte est long, mais tout ça pour te dire que ça va vraiment prendre une réflexion de ta part. Parle à des médecins que tu connais et des dentistes. Demande leur de te parler de leur quotidien et évalue ce qui te convient le mieux. Puisque je côtoie des médecins à journée longue, je peux te dire une chose : tu dois être passionné, car sinon tu risques de vite devenir cynique et perdre ta motivation à aller travailler. Selon moi, c'est un des plus beau métier, mais il faut tripper. J'espère que ça t'aide un peu dans ta réflexion.
  46. 8 points
    I still haven't heard back. Anybody in the same boat?
  47. 8 points

    Third Year Clinical Experience

    I've: drilled the wrong tooth called the patient the wrong name for an hour straight (this was literally last week and my patient coordinator was just too nice to tell me during the appointment even though she's usually very blunt with me) broke off a ~2cm piece of maxillary hamulus and caused a massive sinus exposure (removed part of the sinus floor) while extracting an ankylosed 17 caused a pulsing bleed (broke the alveolus on the palate and exposed the greater palatine artery) the while extracting a 16 on my second day of practice broken a few files during endos cut tongues a few times with the highspeed (eh, it happens) And etc. And I consider myself clinically a pretty decent dentist. These things are gonna happen. You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.
  48. 8 points
    **Still shaking and crying** I never thought I would receive this email, but this goes to dreams can true, when you least expect them to! So to everyone out there with pure intentions, working hard towards their dream, hang in there, and keep striving the best you can! Do not loose yourself in the process, keep your mental and physical well-being in check. I know it's just an interview, but I know how arbitrary the process can be for interview invitation, so I am very honoured and humbled by this opportunity. TIME STAMP: Jan 24 @ 1:48pm Interview Date: Feb 10th (MD), Feb 24th (MD/PhD) Result: Invite cGPA: 3.82 (OMSAS), wGPA: 3.96 MCAT: 509 (127/125/130/127) ECs: 3 years research (0 pubs {1 as 3rd author submitted and in revisions; 1 conference, multiple research days with poster presentations and oral talks); Executive in various clubs; Science Education Outreach; Intramural Sports; Hospital Volunteering; Various jobs since the age of 16; Volunteering and working with religious group; Taking care of special needs sibling. Essays: Focused heavily on personal experiences as a minority in each essay, discussed how personal/family life has impacted decision making in education purists; Wrote all 1 week before applications were due, had family members edit and read, 1 friend in med school helped give guidelines on how to best incorporate CanMed clusters in the essays for top 3 ABS items. Did research on UofT's perspective/medical school curriculum in relation to all of the opinion essay topics, and used that to support my opinion. Overall essays were passionate and written quickly, so they had some minor grammatical errors, and most were exactly 250 words, and one or 2 were even slightly over the limit. Year: MSc from UofT nearly complete. 4 year BSc in Life Science Geography: IP Feel free to message for more details.
  49. 8 points

    Lowest Point In My Life

    I would focus on maturing over the next year. Perhaps you are just a little dramatic in your writing, but really? You likely have a good gpa and extra-curriculars but you think you are too much of a failure to apply for an entry level job? Also the fact that you spent years laughing at people who are working at a lower-income job to make ends meet is kind of sad. Seriously the social determinants of health are a huge deal in health care, and prejudice like that can show through. Also mentioning the social determinants of health was necessary in my MMI. Maybe you should read into that. I don't think that screams premed trying to look relatable at all. It shows this is someone who doesn't think that med is some how some kind of elitist group. That somehow everyone else that didn't manage to get in is somehow less than us. At the end of the day medicine is a job and it is highly paid. That gives us no right to "laugh" at people who have jobs that are less competitive or highly paid. As though somehow their jobs are not important. We need all jobs to make society run. Both your and the original posters message about laughing at people who work blue collar (or pathetic as you say) jobs just screams someone coming from an extremely privileged background. As i already mentioned almost all of your patients will be from backgrounds with these "pathetic" jobs. So honestly if you hold yourself so much higher and better than them, there is a very real chance that attitude will come off to your patients. This will affect the quality of care, and means you will be subpar. I do see this attitude a fair bit in medical school, but luckily many students lose this pompous attitude as they get beat down by attendings for being arrogant. Also when you look at society in general there are only so many blue collar and white collar jobs. These jobs need filling, all the attitude of white being better than blue does is lead to insane competition, and people self-judging themselves. Why not instead encourage people to do what they love. There are many science grads that chose not to go into the health care field for a large variety of reasons that have nothing to do with being inferior. I personally even think that the distribution of pay in the health care system should be changed so that physicians don't get paid as much. Hell maybe we would even see less people only going in it for the prestige and money. Sorry to go off on you, but you caught me on a bad night - and i am tired of hearing and reading these kind of attitudes. Gives medicine a bad reputation.
  50. 8 points
    Few doctors in Canada are truly unemployed, that is, without any job at all. Rather, we're seeing big problems with underemployment in some (but not all) specialties, where new grads are taking on lower-paying fellowships, locums, or part time work, instead of landing their desired steady, full-time job. The bills get paid, but life and career goals can get stalled. For medical students looking at the job market, I think the question to consider for each specialty is not whether you'll land a job, but what you're likely to have to do to get one. On one extreme, in something like Neurosurgery or Ortho, it can mean multiple fellowships, perhaps a PhD as well, just to land a community job or in many cases, a job in the US. For more middle-tier job markets, like Rads or some IM subspecialties, it can mean a required fellowship or two for a community position with maybe a shot at an academic job in a larger centre. For specialties with good job markets, like FM or Psych, it means set up shop almost wherever you want, with additional training only being necessary for those looking at specific jobs in academic centres. These requirements do change over the years, so it's important to be concious of where the job markets are trending. Still, it's all about what you're willing to put up with to go into a given specialty. For those who can't see themselves in anything but Ortho, the sacrifices to find a job in that field are worth it. For those who are more flexible about what specialties they can see themselves in and want more guarantees about when and where they can get a job, something like FM might be a better fit.
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