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  1. 7 points
    People are not obligated to tell you "nicely" when they are asking you to look at your own racism. When somebody tells you to look at your own racism, you are obligated to swallow the instinctive urge to deny it and really take a good hard look at yourself. Even if it's painful and doesn't line up with your own self-concept. Tone policing is yet another form of violence that is rooted in privilege. Even those of us who do not see ourselves as consciously believing that Black people are inferior still a) benefit from living in a society that is systemically racist and b) are steeped in that normalized racism such that even "good people" can believe, say, and do racist things without meaning to. I also don't understand how it is possible to argue that Black students are not systemically disadvantaged in Canada today. If that is true, how do you explain the underrepresentation of Black people in the medical profession? It can't be purely moderated by SES without any interaction between race, racism, and SES - otherwise you wouldn't see the racial disparity. SES is absolutely also important and we should be supporting low SES applicants as well - but that does not directly address systemic racism, which is in fact still alive and well in Canada.
  2. 5 points
    I'm not sure if you're consciously trying to troll or genuine, but stating it's not nice to accuse people of being bitter/racist/jealous and to stop doing this, and then almost immediately say someone is prejudiced/disdainful/intolerant is a self-defeating line of thought. I don't understand the hostility to the Indigenous Streams/BSAP programs (the original and UofC's copycat) based on anything but a zero sum argument or "Affirmative action is bad" vein. The first is selfish, the second is usually an ideological question in my experience. At this point everyone should understand that Indigenous peoples got the short end of the stick, over and over again, and dedicated seats help create Physicians who can connect with communities who have had a bad history with outsider authority figures, be it the RCMP or various churches. I also don't see how being black is a "Straight ticket to Medical school", I'd like to see evidence of this. It doesn't even make sense since programs like the BSAP one don't have any quotas, they simply remove opportunities for implicit bias (whether you believe in it or not, that doesn't matter, the test itself isn't a great measure, but I don't think anyone would dispute that people tend to connect better with people more similar to them). Canada is not a country which is big on collecting racial data (the Americans, in comparison, seem to love doing so for whatever reason, we historically focus on ethnicity and have only recently begun to examine race in the same vein). I've never seen any sort of evidence that black people who apply with above average GPAs are guaranteed admission. You can't look at raw numbers without any context and claim it's evidence of anything, or we go down foolish and short-sighted arguments. For instance, why are there consistently more female medical students than male ones nowadays? Is the system anti-male, or pro-female? No, a closer look shows you that way more women apply than men, and according to CMES data the success rates are very similar/per application (the Male one is actually marginally better!). I'm sure you can draw other similar comparisons, the point being that context matters. Canada's black population has doubled since 1996, and it's a young population, so it's not surprising to me that we're seeing more successful black applicants, BSAP or not, since there are more young black people who may apply. Here are some actual stats for proof since truth and evidence matters, not unsupported statements: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/89-657-x/89-657-x2019002-eng.htm. You can argue that low SES is better than racial-based, but it's not a zero sum game between the two. I'm not black so I'm not going to pretend to understand what life as a Canadian black person is like, but from the accounts I've read there is still bias and racism in Canada. There is no need to argue that "SES diversity is better than racial diversity", schools are moving in both directions so why not both? ACCESS and SAI. UofT BSAP and UofC BSAP. There are high SES black people who've experienced racism and bias and there are low SES non-black or not Indigenous people who've experienced their own barriers, acting like one is better than the other strikes me as short-sighted and kinda offensive to everyone. The existence of Syrian refugees doesn't invalidate any of the challenges any other group has ever encountered and each group has faced. And for the record, my opinions did not change between pre and post admission.
  3. 4 points
  4. 3 points

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    Feels like being waitlisted all over again
  5. 3 points
    Have you ever considered that maybe this year there were some stellar black, biracial, or mixed race applicants who crushed their interviews, have amazing GPAs, and a great CV? This smells a lot like the “well if I’m white and I can’t do it then certainly someone of colour can’t do it,” trope that we see far too often in any competitive professional or academic setting. Seriously yesandno, every thing you are saying sounds very rooted in jealousy. I know you said earlier that I’m policing your thoughts and speech (which I would never because we need to defund the police but that’s besides the point )and I am really sorry that I made you feel that way since you are more than free to speak your mind; but consider how someone with a different experience may interpret everything you have been saying. I don’t think you’re ill-intended but this is not the way to go about it. More opportunity for other people does not mean less for you.
  6. 2 points
    I was hoping I could get some advice for how to approach medical school, especially since classes are completely online for the first semester so it wont be as easy to ask other student what they're doing. I'm starting classes at the UofA this August. I did a degree in mechanical engineering and I haven't taken anything related to biology since the middle of high school. In my undergrad I mostly took exams which required me to solve 2-5 problems over the course of a couple hours, about 80% of the time these exams would be open book. The only content heavy closed book exam I had to take was the MCAT, which I don't think I did a great job studying for (ended up with a 502); all I really did was watch khan academy lectures (while writing down notes) and do practice problems. My concern is I don't know how to study content heavy coursework, something most students are familiar with by now. Does anyone have any advice on how to study/what the workflow of a typical first year student is like? Furthermore are there any supplemental materials I should consider using? I've seen some people on this forum talk about using american resources in their first two years (even if their not interested in writing the step 1 exam) such as reading first aid prior to each new block, watching boards and beyond videos in tandem with their lectures, and using pre made step 1 anki decks. Does that make sense, or would it be better to spend more time studying my schools lectures since they will likely be the most similar to the exams we write? Really I'd appreciate any advice
  7. 2 points

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    I'm looking at the 22nd Aug weekend.
  8. 2 points
    I used osmosis to prepare for tutorials in preclerkship. The videos are concise and entertaining, great for visual learners. I guess whether or not something is necessary depends on your learning style and what you learned in your science background. Did you have an undergrad degree that focused on pathophysiology, diagnosis and treatment? If you did, then probably not necessary I guess. Do you like reading text books more than watching videos? Then Osmosis is also probably not for you. Honestly, in medicine, there are so many resources out there. As long as you study well with what you have, it doesn't matter what you use. Everyone's learning style is different, so best to know what style you are and choose the medium that suits you best.
  9. 2 points

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    Personally I just used the transaction receipt from my bank when I paid the deposit- I also went with Kyu and Scotia and that was fine for them!
  10. 2 points
    Agreed - I 100% support BSAP and ISAP. Thanks for the balanced view. Thus far, most people on this thread who seem to be talking favourably about BSAP/ISAP are already IN medical school (you can claim it hasn't changed pre-post admission, but I guess we'll never know how true that is). I just thought this is an important context to point out because at the end of the day, I see yesandno 's comments rooted in past rejections, moreso than anything else in my opinion. We all know how TOXIC pre-medical culture is, and the desperation it cultivates amongst us to gain admission, particularly in Canada, where the acceptance rates are already incredibly poor. He/she/they probably just wants to get in, and I have a strong feeling that if yesandno was already in, maybe he/she/they would not be so vocal about his/her/their concerns around BSAP/ISAP. Each and every one of us have to be honest with ourselves and with each other. Many of you were desperate pre-meds at one point, and I find it hard to believe that most of you, as PRE-MEDS, would be selfless enough to be completely agree with BSAP right off the bat. This is borne out in the evidence on perceptions of special admission streams in the literature. Look it up. I'll be honest: I had the same initial thoughts when I heard about BSAP as a non-Black applicant a few years - and we can't forget NOR deny that A LOT of non-Black applicants did (atleast, the ones that I've spoken to). Yesandno was just brave enough to be vocal about it. BSAP's introduction had plenty of people, who are also disadvantaged in some form, saying: "what about me?" However, I spent a lot of time learning, growing, educating myself, through friends and literature, and I've since been a full supporter of BSAP. I took some time to examine my own biases, which was driven by being a non-Black person, but also being in a toxic pre-medical culture (which is already toxic for EVERYONE, but perhaps moreso for Black people) where we need to get in or die. It takes some time, but happy that alot of posters here gave incredible insight for yesandno and OTHERS to think about. It takes a lot of empathy and sympathy to understand others and their point of views (even if implicitly racist), but at the end of the day, it's the same empathy and sympathy that this profession calls for. It's been a productive conversation here! TLDR: Don't forget that perhaps, in addition to implicit biases/racism, toxic pre-med culture may also play a large role in people's view on BSAP. Sample many pre-meds and I bet you yesandno is not standing alone in their views. Productive and HONEST conversations are the way forward!
  11. 2 points
    Canadian Human Rights Commission disagrees with you (I mean you can argue against their conclusions of course - but I point out the the primary Canadian institution to for analyzing such things has drawn a conclusion based on the evidence it believes it has. "It is time for all Canadians to acknowledge that anti-Black racism is pervasive in Canada" would be their opening quote on the matter). This loops back to the thought processes we discussed before - everyone can see in isolation having a race based admission rule is unfair (so is Western's geography for SWOMEN, or Ottawa's language rules about english vs french). I would say it being unfair again in isolation should be treated as a fact - the question is whether in either the move corrects for another form of unfairness in a collective assessment to be globally fair (you believe there is no competing unfairness, i.e. no systemic racism however - that is a point to debate), or as another possibility whether even if it is unfair in the broader sense there is another consideration that still takes precedence - as we often have unfair rules for the individual to the benefit of society (some would argue in this case even if it is unfair to a degree it still should be done because having a demographically balanced population of doctors is valuable and serves the public interest in an important way - just like again the intentions of Ottawa and Western's rules to name just two examples are to serve public interests).
  12. 2 points

    DMD suivi 2020

    C’est ça qui aurait le plus d’allure je pense vu que Sandra Racine est en vacances (donc pas d’offre) et ça serait quand même logique que les désistements de la LA changent les rangs automatique sans avoir à passer par elle hahaha mais bon mystère
  13. 2 points


    Just emailed Diane. Got offered a seat! Apparently there was some glitch on applications since I wasn't notified of my offer until I inquired. I am so so very excited to meet you guys and start this adventure. Sending good vibes and all of the luck to anyone out there still waiting! Ya'll got this.
  14. 2 points
    I think that some pre-meds are so focused on getting in, that they look at things through the lens of "is this fair to me as an applicant?", which is understandable. But the admissions committees have to consider more than just fairness for the applicants - they are deciding who become the physicians in our communities. That's a tremendously important task. The lack of black and Indigenous physicians in our society is an issue that needs to be addressed so that different demographics can feel represented by the medical community and be properly advocated for. Does this put students who cannot apply through these streams at a disadvantage? Maybe, depending on whether you think the "advantage" of these streams outweighs the disadvantages that certain minorities face throughout other aspects of the process. But creating a more equitable healthcare system is in the greater interest of our society more so than having as fair an admissions process as possible, in my opinion. Even though some people going through the admissions process could be negatively affected, and that is a legitimate concern for a pre-med who is grinding their butt off to get in For the record, I was just admitted this cycle and would have had the same response a few months ago
  15. 2 points
    “Move on, seriously.” — Spoken from a true place of privilege. Imagine being able to move on from decades of having your identity questioned. If we as BIPOC don’t call out racism and microagressions when we see them, then no one else will. That is why I always come after comments like these.
  16. 2 points
    Sorry for the late reply, I've been away from this forum for a bit. Thank you so much for the book recommendation, it seems very intriguing and it being from a Canadian perspective I think will help me better understand the challenges that POCs face. And yeah, I agree re. your point of implicit biases. I would've never thought that I was racist, or supported an unjust system that discriminates against non-white people, but I'm starting to realize that some of my thoughts and actions (or lack thereof) are telling of the opposite. I'm really thankful for this thread, for kind people like you who are educating me without judgement of my ignorance. I would hate for my implicit biases or complacency to hurt any of my friends irl or any others in general Anyway, I should probably be quiet now I'm excited to get started on the book and also the documentary!
  17. 1 point

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    Especially tight for OOP students who, according to guidelines, have to move in by the 14th Aug so they can properly self-isolate before O-week... This is not a good look tbh.
  18. 1 point

    Is this post true?

    Nope. Check MSAR. Also, look at MCAT score. Not only are those numbers incorrect, but the MCAT is no longer scored like this. MSAR has Harvard's Median MCAT at 520 last year and GPA at 3.94, so VERY different than the site above. Ranges of matriculating students as per MSAR: Total GPA: 3.74 (10th %ile) to 4.00 (90th %ile) Science GPA: 3.69 (10th %ile) to 3.94 (90th %ile) MCAT: 513 (10th %ile) to 525 (90th %ile) Source: MSAR.
  19. 1 point

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    I think once we get our official accounts, we could send him a letter of enrollment. Since they would actually need to confirm our enrollment annually anyway
  20. 1 point

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    Thank you all for the information. Was that all you needed or was there something like you would eventually need to provide your timetable/more info later?
  21. 1 point

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    It was from Diane, she sent me an email saying she is confirming that she got the $1000 deposit and I took a screenshot
  22. 1 point
    I'm hearing about this for the first time. I looked up osmosis and it seems mostly for the american curriculum (step 1, etc). Could you tell me a little bit on how you used osmosis? If you have a science background would you say it's unnecessary?
  23. 1 point

    Application Fee Status

    It takes a few days for them to process payments, whereas the emails that remind you are sent automatically I believe. If you have proof of payment you can wait a few days to see if the payment status updates.
  24. 1 point
    I believe the list looks different every year as it depends on what pharmacies are willing to take students. Also, pharmacies can apply to be a placement site. However, there is no guarantee that you can get that site. As well, you are not permitted to Go to a pharmacy where you are related or are friends with the pharmacist. So really you are limited to the options U of A gives you.
  25. 1 point

    Registration for MD2024 Class

    Nothing yet hopeful that we will get something this week. I really want more updates on how o-week will run as well.
  26. 1 point
    UofT: attempts to address issues within a historically disenfranchised community by adding healthcare professionals that those members are more likely to trust/listen to, and/or are culturally competent to do so bc healthcare is recognized as a universal right yesandno: makes it about himself *Sorry for run on lol, but more seriously I recommend we all keep thinking holistically. Perhaps if we’re not knowledgeable about the plights these groups face today, stay on the sidelines and let others that are better versed/experienced direct these types of discussions. Word of advice - you claim elsewhere you are interested in this topic and that’s why you’re discussing it, that’s great but reserve your initial conclusions or judgements until you understand the issues more. Also I assume you like science, and esp with a complex issue like racism, there has to be the possibility you don’t know everything and that you could be wrong. Ofc don’t view everything through a scientific lens but maybe it could change the way you think about societal issues to a degree? What you’re doing now is a little untenable. Or if you’re just trying to vent, we’re not your diary.
  27. 1 point
    Since others have already touched on how placements worked, I'll just throw in anything else I can answer plus I'll speak a little bit on my experience with rotations. For general questions: as others have said, "rural" refers to anything outside ~50km of Edmonton or Calgary. So if you desperately need to live in a city but do need or want to get your rural placement out of the way, you can try to put sites in and around smaller "rural" cities such as Red Deer or Medicine Hat so you have more options available to you in terms of food, entertainment, accomodations, etc. If you get a placement in Edmonton, you can get around by driving, public transit, or walking if it's close enough. For placements further away, having a car is much more helpful. Depending on the distance, it'll be up to you if you want to get an AirBnB or hotel for the month or drive every morning/evening. Up to you, I know people that chose either option for sites the same distance away from Edmonton. You do not get paid for placements, you have to pay the tuition fee and pay for any other fees that might arise such as rent for accomodations, food, gas, and so on. Placements in first year are 40 hours/week (usually 9-5, but your preceptor can ask you to come in for various shifts) for 4 weeks (160 hours total). If you already work in a pharmacy, or start working in one during your first year, most of your pharmacy managers will know when they hire students that they will have to leave for a month for placements. You will have to explain this to your non-pharmacy employers in advance though. For example, my placement was in Sylvan Lake. Everyone has their own reasons for choosing a specific site, I'll share some of the things I thought about when deciding and some people might find that helpful. One of my main reasons was just getting out of Edmonton (where I'm from) for the summer (this was before the virus ruined the summer :/ ). I wanted to "simulate" working a in a pharmacy for 40hrs/wk 9-5 while living alone just to see how I would do, and I thought this would be the perfect opportunity for that, as it's still a learning environment at the end of the day and that's how I used it. I would also have no distractions living in a new town, I could come home after work and work on careplans and submit them on time. Another reason I chose this site was that Red Deer was close by and I could always go there if I needed anything. I was originally also looking at accommodations in Red Deer, as they will be cheaper in a small city and it might be easy to live there and drive 20-30 mins to your placements. Personally I recommend just renting accommodations near your placement (you'll have plenty of time to look when the time comes) to save yourself the headache of driving back and forth every day. It does get exhausting. I'd speak more about rotations (placements are so fresh and recent in my mind rn) but I feel like I've already put up a decent sized wall of text so just lmk if you guys have other questions about rotations, I'd be happy to answer!
  28. 1 point
    I often find that these arguments claiming that systemic racism/discrimination don't exist are usually rooted in semantics. They are thinking that compared to decades ago when segregation and discrimination were essentially written into law, society nowadays has moved past those times. Thus, there is no "systemic" issue. Instead, they see it as the issue of individuals in our society. It's a similar thing for gun control - there are no bad guns, only bad people. In my opinion, it is just an excuse to take the onus off themselves to address these issues. The system extends far beyond the surface level of laws or government and includes each and every one of us.
  29. 1 point
    I am genuinely surprised that you have never seen/heard of people being discriminated based on their skin. I'm not a visible minority but I have seen it happen countless times. I can only imagine how dehumanizing it feels. Of course being poor sucks - it's another layer of difficulty. Now add being discriminated because you aren't white and you are also poor. These people are living much more difficult lives than I can ever imagine (even though I am not rich). We need doctors that can serve underrepresented populations
  30. 1 point
    Anyone heard anything about the Dal OT waitlist? I emailed them last week but they said they weren't able to provide any information. Assuming the odds aren't too good.
  31. 1 point
    FingersCrossedPls, I am just going to react to your comments this one time. You are making judgements about my perceived behaviour, and are stating how bitter, racist and jealous I am. This is not generally nice (although it doesn't bother me) and is wasting everyone's time (which bothers me). I am actually shocked that you chose a career of serving people while having such a high level of prejudice, disdain and intolerance to people. As a doctor, you are not going to meet only nice and agreeable people. So, maybe consider switching careers. Again, if you are going to assess my behaviour and my character (falsely), please stop.
  32. 1 point
    all other things being equal (and they usually are between scotia and rbc) then put the weight on the relationship. For me that got me access to mortgage rates and well a mortgage at all at a point where it was very lucky to do so, just taking care of all the various upgrades (like the rate drops, and the limit increases) without doing anything - I didn't have to fight basically when others have. Things were arranged for my schedule, this banker actually came to my school to do business and so on. Total real savings from everything was vastly more than the slight bonus differences, and it let me test out someone that I could use when it really started to matter (staff level stuff). As it happens he has also helped me arrange LOCs for some other people that were having difficulties. Fast forward a bit in it is stuff like that you want from a bank - and if they treat you appropriately early on there is a better chance they will do so later as well. You always have to be self aware of the deals out there (like if suddenly my bank didn't keep up with the interest rates we would suddenly have an issue) to make sure you aren't ripped off, but developing a professional circle of experts is important to have as a doctor (lawyer, banker, accountant, and while I think we should do all our own personal finance stuff or at least be highly educated in it to avoid the common widespread rip offs that occur you can still add a financial advisor to the list). This time is a safe point to test out a few things with the bank you chose.
  33. 1 point
    Thanks for the update!
  34. 1 point
    hard....or kind of easy You can over think it basically. Many of the differences truly are trivial, and it isn't unusual for people to move around so you can image all this work spent deciding and then you adjust anyway ha. May sound corny but I still think finding a banker you can work with is vastly more important than the rest. The one I have worked with has been excellent and that has made major differences over the rather long process from student to staff.
  35. 1 point

    Med Entrance Scholarships

    I believe that applies to the entrance bursaries, which you have to apply for on Minerva. OP was asking about Med entrance scholarships which are “automatically” awarded according to their website.
  36. 1 point
    Truetruetrue I guess I just dont want to email them for every little topic lmao but yeah I will
  37. 1 point
    @AlteplaseStat Thanks you for the update, I'm in the situation you described and it's nice to be able to start the EC section without locking in the 2 references.
  38. 1 point
    Applicants offered admission through BSAP pass every checkpoint that everybody else does, the only difference is that a Black physician reviews their file and attends their interview. Any argument taking away their merit or achievements due to their race is bananas.
  39. 1 point
    lmfao I procrastinated and never got mine hopefully we get to use them this year but yeah, stethoscopes are a requirement for the first year skills lab, the faculty will let you know when to buy them and which models are the "best". They can get pricey but there are a lot of colours/variations you can choose when buying one; a lot of people in our class had fun "customizing" their stethoscopes : )
  40. 1 point
    I feel I should get paid for all the advices I gave for free (I'm joking btw, I would never ask any money for that!) Funny story (not so funny though), I bought the B*Mo book to prepare for MMIs, and in it they say that their 40k$ program (you've read that right - but it's discounted at 18k right now, what a deal) doesn't advantage the wealthy people, and that the MMIs are causing more disparities than that. Lol. What a joke. Oh and they also try to make you believe that you can never be successful without it. I guess my advice is, don't buy that crap & don't give your money to these profiteers. You guys can achieve whatever you want without paying so much on such a scam. You can do it by yourself & with the help on kind and generous people on this forum that are all willing to help you for free!
  41. 1 point
    You don't need this until later in first year. The faculty will tell you which model to buy and when so don't worry about it right now. I just finished first year and I bought mine in March when we were getting ready to do assessments in lab but we never got to do them before COVID shut down school. So it's been collecting dust in my room... An investment down the drain ;-;
  42. 1 point
    Getting research experience and your name on a published paper will help you definitively whether you would be applying at McGill ( for the CV & MMI) or other French schools (MMIs mainly); however, you also have to keep in mind that you would have to allocate some of your time for this project, time that could be spent on studying and improving your R-Score. It simply comes up to can I improve my R-Score/Maintain it or will this project be too much of a burden. French Unis tend to consider more the R-SCORE pre-interview as well as post-interview whereas McGill has a different approach. From my experience, people will lower R-Score tend not to get invited at French Unis which basically reduces your chances of getting into Med in the first place; on the other hand, I've seen at McGill during the interview plenty of ppl with low R-Scores and few have been accepted but they really are a small minority (max 3-6 ppl in a cohort of 71). Is it a risk your willing to take? Personally I'd say improving your academics should be prioritized as I'm certain you have plenty of other experience demonstration your leadership, communication, colaboration, etc... skills.
  43. 1 point


    good grief - of all the things a research team could study in all the world to improve the treatment and care of patients this is the topic they decide to cover? Then they actually trolled hundreds of doctors to look at their social media accounts and graded them on various behaviours....... The morality police are out in full force - this crap shouldn't have even be published. also from a purely experimental design point of view isn't this study horrible? I mean only 1/2 of the vascular residents were actually found - so what you really saying is of the residents that even care to be open on socially media this is what they are doing. Good reason to think that group is different than the group they couldn't find so you cannot really extend the findings. Plus they don't even make any conclusion - they restate the findings, and say beware that things are online. Ok we knew that prior to the paper even saying anything - so what was the actual science done? " It has been demonstrated that publicly available social media content may affect patient choice of physician, hospital, and medical facility" in what way? How - positive or negative? How does that impact patient outcome (and yes that is the primary thing I care about)? A lot of vague statements there - may impact, could play a role in future hiring blah blah.
  44. 1 point
    Rock a mullet: Business in the front/ party in the back
  45. 1 point

    Admissions MD Laval 2020

    À ULaval ya pas de dépôt à payer
  46. 1 point

    Advice for a "mature" student

    I say go for it. I’m 35 and just starting residency. Life is singular, and limited. Spend it pursuing your dreams. Life hard man. Good luck
  47. 1 point

    Admissions MD Laval 2020

    Ouais je comprends... Mais sûrement il va comprendre compte tenu de la situation!
  48. 1 point
    https://www.mcgill.ca/medadmissions/files/medadmissions/admissions_update_for_2021_applications.pdf (McGill)
  49. 1 point

    Everything online

    Wow, these posts are brutal. For others reading just remember that these views are not necessarily representative, especially as each site has their own staff/teachers etc. My experience: Our lab instructors were amazing and I wouldn't have learned nearly as much without attending, and student affairs has been fantastic when I needed them. I was never brushed off or simply given a book recommendation, and follow up occurred on multiple occasions.
  50. 1 point
    To be honest, it's not really clear to me that a person with a 3.9 will automatically be a better physician than someone with a 3.7 anyway. I get that that feels really unfair when you're the person with the 3.9 that you've worked your ass off to get, thinking about not being chosen over someone with a 3.7, and I also think there's some truth to the idea that a 3.9 and a 3.7 aren't that different. For one thing, GPA isn't exactly impervious to manipulation. I got into medical school with a 3.8 - I was a double major and my GPA in one of my majors was about 3.95 and in the other was about 3.7. I worked equally hard on both. Just by choosing a different degree to do, I could have finished my bachelor's degree with either a 3.7 or a 3.95 GPA - and I would still be the same equally smart person working equally hard. It seems to me that there are two aspects to it: 1) Black applicants (even those who are privileged in other ways, e.g. by way of gender or socioeconomic status) face systemic barriers to academic success such that actually, a lower GPA does not represent less intelligence or less suitability for a career in medicine but rather the impact of systemic marginalization and racism. Therefore from an equity versus equality standpoint, accepting a lower GPA makes sense and is not actually indicative of accepting someone less qualified. I hear what you're saying that different people experience different levels of marginalization due to other intersecting identities, and I still think that the role of systemic racism is important even in people who are privileged in other areas. Also, while I do need to educate myself more on this to be able to speak about it knowledgeably, I have read some arguments that the degree and type of marginalization faced by Black people differs from other POC, partly due to the legacy of slavery in North America, and therefore requires particular consideration, and that made sense to me. That said, of course working on appropriate inclusion of folks from other marginalized communities is also very important. 2) Increasing the number of Black physicians serves the Canadian public on a number of important levels, and Black physicians have unique contributions to make to the medical system that should also be considered in the admissions process, not only as some sort of "justification" for lower GPA but as an important qualification in and of itself. I would imagine that the essay and interview component of BSAP would serve to clarify this further. I think the murder of George Floyd in the US has made it very clear that systemic racism needs to be addressed with systemic solutions. As a white physician I absolutely want to educate myself and work on myself to be able to provide the best care possible to my Black patients, and at the same time I also think that having more Black physicians is extremely important on both macro and micro levels.
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