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  1. New Zealand has been trying for years to have their dental school accredited by CODA as well: https://www.ada.org/~/media/CODA/Files/coda_minutes_summer_2014.pdf (page 32/36) https://www.ada.org/~/media/CODA/Files/coda_minutes_Feb2016.pdf (22/24) Wonder if they will consider pursuing CODA accreditation.
  2. Interesting. But all present documents seem to indicate otherwise.
  3. According to the CDAC, AU, NZ and IR general dental programs are considered. CDAC accredited. The reciprocal agreements are about accreditation: one country will accept a program as accredited if the other accredits it. That is why US, Aus, NZ, and Irish grads (limited by agreement start dates) are able to write the NDEB without having to enroll in further studies. I'm just using California as an example. Edit: I'm just seeing the word "accredited" a lot and could be misinterpreting it's meaning. I'm aware that it's the ADC that accredits programs in Aus.
  4. I've been looking into this further and came across this document from CODA. Page 18 of the document (labelled page 11) states the following: Many of us have been ignorant about this for nearly 10 years - the amount of time that the Aus-Can agreement has been in place. There is no mention of excluding programs outside of Canada. So it appears, CODA, via the reciprocal agreement with CDAC, recognizes General dental programs in Australia, NZ, and Ireland (limited to the agreement start dates). Looks like you just have to fulfill the requirements of the state that you want to work in. California for example: But of course, I'm going to contact CODA directly.
  5. anybody else notice that Saudi Arabian dental school, King Abdulaziz University is CODA accredited? wonder why that one particular university in that region gets CODA accreditation.
  6. I dont have any confirmation and I doubt many aussie grads have done this. In fact, I only found out about these 3 states a few months ago from another post on PM101.
  7. Yeah, that's listed on the link I've attached.
  8. It's not about what school you went to, it's about having a canadian dental license. Eg. After I finished at Melbourne, I wrote and passed the Canadian board exams (NDEB), which enables me to get registered in all canadian provinces, Minnesota, Colorado, and Washington. My classmates who did not do the board exams would not be able to work in Canada or those 3 states. Edit: unless you meant "dental degree", then in theory, I believe you can go to dental school anywhere and work in those 3 states if you pass NDEB.
  9. Recirprocity agreements are worsening the saturation, but cities were already pretty saturated, not fine and dandy, before people studied dentistry outside of CAN/US in significant numbers. This article, which discusses dentist oversupply was published in 2013, 3 years after the agreement with Australia was established. There would not have been enough graduates from Australia at that point to have made a significant contribution to the saturation. Also, graduates of programs from outside of Canada and USA are not stuck in Canada (someone please correct me if I am wrong). NDEB certification or components of the certification process are also being accepted for licensure in the following states:• Colorado• Minnesota• Washington After working in those states, it would be possible to move to other states. California, for example, will grant a licence to someone who has held a licence in another state if they meet the following criteria:
  10. I follow a couple of american dental facebook groups, and some people have posted some of the perks of working for a corporate - one of them was aid with debt repayment... it could become a thing in Canada.
  11. Essentially, the CDAC (commission on Dental accreditation of Canada), along with other Canadian Dental governing bodies and dental schools themselves are influenced by big dental corporations (i.e. corporations are paying them). All the corporations care about is making money. One way of ensuring that dental corporations always have dentists to help generate revenue is to have a large supply of dentists who owe a lot of money and are willing to take any job. Why would the governing bodies want to do anything about the oversupply when they're making money from it? Professional programs in Canada are also prone to the same sort of inequality. Students from wealthier families have access to better resources to increase the chances of getting into these programs. For example, being able to pay for private schooling so that they can get into undergraduate programs that inflate grades, private tutors and exam prep courses. Furthermore, students from wealthy families have no need to work part time or over the summer, allowing them to pursue activities that make them more competitive applicants. Finally, if someone has parents or family members who are professionals, their chances of becoming a professional is higher as they will receive the proper guidance (yes, ultimately it's up to them to get in, but a little guidance goes a long way). Having gone through the process myself, I have plenty of advice to pass onto to my kids that I did not receive as a first generation university attender. There are multiple ways of becoming a licensed dentist in Canada, and each method is inherently unfair to different groups of people. Eg. Canadian dental schools do not factor in the rigor of your university/program/course selection (I've studied at 3 Ontario universities, and there's definitely differences between universities and programs). American and Aus schools will attract those with lower stats and can pay for it - whether it be because applicants come from affluent families or if their families were able to remortgage their homes. Finally, one can take advantage of the equivalency process by attending non-accredited dental schools and challenge exams afterwards. All of that would be significantly cheaper than attending an accredited dental school, but you run you gotta jump through more hurdles to get licensed. This is not a common route for Canadian Citizens, but I have met 3 Canadians who did this. 1 studied in Hungary, 1 studied in Egypt and another studied in India. Instead of complaining about the over-saturation, I decided to move somewhere that actually needed dentists. Best decision I made.
  12. and there you have it folks... let the grooming of future dental corp dentists begin.
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