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  1. The exam you are talking about is the 3 part equivalency process which is open to any FTD, with an expected pass rate of 20%. This exam is not required for Australian grads. With the new agreement, Aus grads get to by-pass this exam, and only have to take the NDEB national board exam. This is the same exam that Canadian grads write when they graduate. It is also the exam that FTD write, but only AFTER they have passed the 3-part equivalency exam or a 2-year qualifying program. Thus, Aus grads are equivalent to Canadian grads when they graduate. We write the same exams if we want to practice in Canada. The NDEB board exam is one part written, and one part OSCE. In terms of immigrating to Australia, it is a straight forward process for dentists. Once you have completed your degree, you qualify under the workers scheme for permanent residency. Dentists are considered one of the occupations in need according to to the immigration department, thus you will have no issue working here. Also, if you already possess a degree, there is a good chance you can already get PR through the migration scheme. This would save you A LOT of money, as you could be considered a local student. But this method has not been tested well, and there is a small risk that you may lose your place in dent school if you change from international to local. There has not been a clear answer from the university or faculty about this. Best site to check out is the Aus immigration department for details if you are keen. Also, there are no board exams here for those who graduate from an Aus school. We work right away after graduation. There are only exams for those who are FTD and wanting to work in Aus. BTW, I find it funny how all these pre-dents are concerned there is no future in Dentistry in Canada. I think Canada is one of the best places to work as a dentists. I haven't met a poor dentist, or one that complains about their job. In fact when I told dentists that I was going to dent school, they only told me positive things. Many of them told me that is the best job in the world. Sure there are a few downers, and maybe working in certain areas is difficult...but don't go there! There is the whole country! I'm from Alberta, so things are obviously a bit better, but in no way is Dentistry a field on the verge of collapse. A LOT of dentists will be retiring soon, and I can't wait to start buying up their practices
  2. Sydney is quite saturated with dentists. It is similar, but not as bad as what is happening in Vancouver or Toronto. However, I spoke to a job recruiter at a dental expo last year, and he told me there are plenty of opportunities in other major cities in Australia. Melbourne is good, but the best places seem to be Brisbane, Perth, or Adelaide. In terms of Sydney, there are plenty of opportunities in the city, it is just that you probably won't be making too much money. The patient flow isn't very good. Most practices do provide a retainer, but of course you can make a lot more money. The best places to work in Sydney seem to be just on the outskirts of Sydney. They have plenty of jobs and have good patient flow. In terms of getting a job after you graduate; that is a non-issue. Everyone gets something right away. A few of the new grads I spoke to are working 5-6 days a week, and some of them are splitting time at different clinics. Usually one in the city, and then another one in a rural setting. Of course rural is where the money is at, so a lot of people are considering that.
  3. Ya I've heard now from a lot of people that Toronto and Vancouver are not great places to look for work. But not to worry. Canada is a big place Lots of other cities to work in. Keep your options open.
  4. There is no reason for Aus grads to have to complete GPR/AEGDs if they want to come back to Canada to practice. We get just as much, if not more clinical exposure during dental school as our North American counterparts. Dental practice in Aus is the same as it is in North America. This is one of the reasons why the CDAC/NDEB approved the agreement with Australia. People from the CDAC visited Sydney during it's accreditation processes by the ADA, and sat in on every aspect of it. Thus, they concluded that schools in Aus are accredited in the same manner, and thus students are taught the same curriculum. This also means that Aus students will not have any more difficulties as students from North America in passing the national boards. In fact I know a few people from USyd dent who have already passed them. In terms of doing a GPR/AEGD. Yes you can still apply for them. There may be the odd one in the US that may not accept internationals, but you won't have an issues. I wouldn't worry about that very much. And if you are looking to get a job right after graduating, and plan on working as a general dentist, why even worry about GPR/AEGD. IMO, they are more for those who are looking at further specialising. There are/will be plenty of jobs available in Canada for those of you who are going to Aus for dent school.
  5. actually you can specialize in the US as an Australian grad. There are currently several programs in the US that will allow international dentists to apply. In fact, this was a common route for Aus grads to come back to Canada. They would get accepted into a specialty program, and then would be able to gain a license in Canada to practice for that specialty only. I know of a Sydney grad who is doing his endo in Boston, and is going to return to BC afterwards. He will only have a license to practice endo in BC. A reciprocal agreement between Aus and US is not required to enter into a specialty program. The requirements are set by the individual programs. The agreement is only required for giving you a license to practice.
  6. with that logic, the US is also a sanctuary for people with low GPA's. once again, I bring up the argument that it is the quality of the graduates of a dental school that determines how good a school is, not the admission average. Dental schools in Australia, just like in Canada and US, graduate competent and proficient dentists. In the end, that is all that matters to the public.
  7. lets wait and see how FTD's score on these exams. No one really knows, but I would guess that it will be extremely tough to pass these exams. And you only get 2 chances to write it. FTD still have the option of completing the 2 year qualifying years also.
  8. your reward for studying harder in undergrad is being able to go to a school that is close to home. The consequence of not getting into a canadian school (whether it has to do with GPA/DAT/Interview) is that you have to live away from home, and go into a heavy debt load at graduation (usually > $200,000). I don't know if we do have enough dentists. I think it varies depending on which area of the country you are talking about. Yea there will probably be a one-way movement initially, but I would expect it will level out as Aus will start to implement more incentives for Canadian dentists to practice in Aus. There is a shortage in Aus for dentists, and they have the same intentions with this agreement as Canada does; address the shortage by allowing in dentists who are equally qualified. This eliminates the need to allow in dentists from other countries, who may not be as qualified.
  9. curious to know, excantoaus, r u currently studying dentistry anywhere? or are you a pre-dent? everyone understands that every year a large number of QUALIFIED applicants are rejected from dental schools in Canada. Unfortunately Canada just doesn't have enough spots for these candidates. Many of these qualified applicants pursue schools in the US. NOW, they have the option of Aus schools, which are just as good as US or Can schools. still don't see how this should be of any concern. I urge candidates to apply to Aus schools. It is not a walk in the park. It is very competitive. Ask those students who applied to USyd and UMelb this year. Also, incase people didnt know, the agreement ONLY applies to those who have graduated after March 2010. So if you want to look at the possible grads who will be looking at coming back to Canada, look at those who graduate after this date. Many of my classmates decided to pursue Aus schools over US schools due to the costs. It is cheaper to study here than many US schools. (Check out NYU's tuition/living costs. They accept a lot of international students). Not to mention the weather, culture, overseas experience, and the ability to study at the beach (btw...if you are going to quote me, I'd appreciate it if you did not make changes to what I said, and then say that you agree..I see that you are new to the forums, so perhaps maybe I'm spending too much time replying to you..haha..but just want to make sure pre-dent students get the right information)
  10. you ask why the US did not agree with this agreement and Canada did. This is because the request to establish an agreement came from the National dental examining board of canada (NDEB) and NOT from the US or Aus boards/councils. http://www.ndeb.ca/en/about/index.htm You can read about it under the certification portion. I have heard that the US is now considering establishing the same agreement. Can't confirm that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do so in the next few years.
  11. interesting take on the issue...just wondering, are you writing this email, or did you receive this email from someone else? With regards to the statement that Aus Dent schools are inferior to Can Dent schools, I'm wondering if this is solely based on the admission average of the accepted students? If it is, then that is a very naive statement. Think about what really determines the quality of a dental school graduate. Is it the skills and knowledge that one has when they enter dental school OR is it the skills and knowledge one has when they graduate from dental school? I would argue that to determine the quality of education of any school, you look at how competent the student is at graduation. In Canada, this is determined by the student's ability to pass the NDEB exam. This exam determines the minimum competency a student must have prior to entering practice in Canada. Guess what..Aus Dent students ALSO have to pass this exam if they want to practice in Canada! So both Aus and Can students have to have meet the national standards prior to practice. So how is it that Aus students would be a greater concern to the health of patients than Can students? The other reason why Aus grads do not have to write the same exams as other internationally trained dentists is because the Commission of Dental Accreditation of Canada (CDAC) agrees that Aus dental schools are equivalent in training as Canadian dental schools. The CDAC observed the accreditation process done by the Australian Dental Council, and evaluated not only the process, but the standards to which the Aus Dent council requires of dental schools. It was the same, perhaps even to a higher standard. So why should Aus students be put through more exams, when they are graduating from schools that have the same standard as Canada? I think people shouldn't consider Aus Dent schools as a "backdoor" means of practicing in Canada, but rather an "ALTERNATIVE" means to practicing. I agree that the majority of Canadian students in Australia did not get accepted in Canada, but that does not mean they are a 'public health concern'. In fact, Australian dental schools are first class universities, and the students in the program are held to a very high standard. Grads of Aus schools have been providing excellent care to patients in Australia. I agree that admission averages are going to increase, and yes they already have. It was extremely difficult to gain admission this year at Univ of Sydney, or Univ of Melbourne. However, as I said previously, admission average is not an indication of the quality of dental graduates. I can understand how pre-dent/pre-med students are so concerned about admission averages (I too was like that , but once you enter dental school, your perspective changes, and you realise that the quality of the education you receive is determined by your competency as a clinician when you graduate. And I can safely say, Aus graduates are just as competent as Can graduates. I wrote this long reply, because I think people need to look at this new agreement as a positive move. It allows for greater flexibility in where one can practice, allows pre-dent students an alternative to Can and US schools, as well as addresses the shortage of dentists in BOTH countries by allowing in competent dentists who are of an equal standard.
  12. No difference between BDent/BDS/DDS/DMD..all are considered Dr. All the dentists in Australia (majority being BDent or BDS) use Dr. in front of their name. It is just like MBBS degrees for medical doctors. You don't need an MD to be called a Dr.
  13. just sent you a pm. also, i just noticed that I didn't reply to a lot of pm's i received regarding Australian Dental school. I actually had no clue I received them ... so my apologies for not responding. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask away.
  14. Congrats Articulator! Good to hear the information helped. If you need any help with the acceptance process (deposit, loans, LOC, visa, etc..) just let me know. Good luck to all those who applied. The beaches await you!!
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