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  1. There's only one frat house, that's the Xi Psi Phi (ZIP) house. There are two fraternities, one of which is ZIP and the other Alpha Omega. AO is generally regarded as the Jewish fraternity. The grand majority of people are in ZIP. ZIP events tend to have AO folks at them too. Unless something has wildly changed in the past few years. Also isn't there a Facebook group you can post about this on? Or the student society FB group?
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    It wouldn't be out of the norm for an associateship though. The one I was talking about was 1.5 hours from Toronto, still got 80 apps in the first day. That was a couple weeks ago, so I don't even want to know how many we've received now.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    Yes, in the GTA. Yes, internationally-trained dentists. There are a LOT of them. The issue is that there's no real way to weed through people applying for associate positions for a 'good fit' outside of meeting them. And associateship positions receive metric shit tons of applications these days. If people are looking for homegrown grads, people they know, etc., that's great; for the most part the best associateships are just through word of mouth--friends and colleagues helping each other out, but otherwise the market has been flooded with a lot of people who are more and more desperate for work. Clinic owners are becoming far, far more business-oriented as well, so more and more often the best candidate for a position isn't the one who's necessarily the best fit socially or clinically, but the one who's most flexible with respect to hours and most willing to do a variety of procedures; basically, who's hungriest? That's a quick race to the bottom.
  4. Right, but the OP isn't asking about those schools.
  5. Shouldn't. I got an 11 on my MDT because I didn't give a shit, broke my soap, and then stopped halfway through while I stared at my glob of a soap carving and chilled before the rest of the test. I had a 23AA and U of T didn't care. The MDT is pointless and has absolutely zero bearing on how you perform in dental school or in dentistry in general.
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    Need Help/Advice

    You can still get involved in academics, radiology & pathology, some other non-surgical niches. If you're still interested in dentistry in general there are absolutely avenues through which you can stay in the field. Your time in dental school doesn't have to be a waste. And sure, stick with it. Even if you graduate, practice for a bit, and just find you can't muster or don't enjoy clinical dentistry, that's okay, you can still figure something out within the field.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    The associate market has gotten noticeably worse in the past few years. There's a reason I am very cautious to leave my associateships (despite driving 45000km a year) and I have personally had very little trouble landing jobs. But most people I know seeking jobs right now are having more trouble than I did a few short years ago. My office put up an ad recently for a new associate and they received 80 applications in the first day. Many of those are ITDs but plenty are just newer grads who are struggling to find an appropriate job.
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    If he really wants to f*** around with eyes he should go to med school and become an ophthalmologist. Someone's gotta poke eyeballs all day long *shudders*... I couldn't do it, would give me the heebie-jeebies all day. To answer your questions though, I'd say yes by and large dentists make more than optos. And I do think dentistry (at least the dentist role) is far more resistant to automation than optometry is, since from what I understand at least in Canada (and Ontario) optometry is pretty limited to examination & diagnosis. Actual treatment, management, and certainly operative procedures is usually relegated to ophthos. The scope of practice of optometry is quite narrow.
  9. I can't remember my AADSAS GPA exactly but it was around 3.9. I had a 23AA, 26RC, 26PAT. The scholarship was $15k USD a year. It may have gone up since then due to rising costs.
  10. Why wouldn't they be? State schools maybe. But Case Western is a private school.
  11. Case gave me a large scholarship and even then it was still more than going to U of T, where I ended up, both numerically and due to the exchange rate which only got worse over the 4 years I was in school. A lot of people have been telling me lately the associateship/job market has been pretty shit for the past year as well; the worst they've seen. It will only be worse in 4 years when you graduate. I'm always one to play devil's advocate, but I don't think you quite realize the gravity of spending a decade after school paying off student loans, and how greatly that affects your life.
  12. Doesn't it include your first half year membership after you graduate as well? I forgot, but it's a no brainer really.
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    Help! Dal vs UofT

    I did two crown lengthening procedures while at U of T. You just have to know who to talk to. There's opportunity to do whatever you like, you just have to seize it, really.