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  1. Factor in the opportunity cost lost in undergrad, med school, residency, and debt. Welders, plumbers probably come out ahead.
  2. Our class had 40% going into FP this yr, it's becoming more popular and they can make a pretty nice living with the new contract.
  3. Thanks for your posts Jennifer, I currently doing an elective in pathology, and considering applying to path for Carms this yr. I am interested in general pathology, the variety and broad training is very appealing. I also would rather work in a community center. However, many residents I've talked to (AP residents) says how gen path is an impossibly difficult exam, passing rate is 50%, almost everyone switch to AP, etc. What's your view on that? Is the passing rate that low for Canadian graduates as well? Thanks for your time.
  4. Don't worry, lots of people feel that way. Once you spend a week or two on the wards and get used to how a hospital function, it gets easier. As a clerk, you almost never do anything without checking it over with your resident anyways, and nobody's good at procedures until they've done a bunch. Heck, half the rotations are glorified shadowing + getting pimped.
  5. No, not pathology. Pathologists have a lot of people contact, communicating w/ other physcians, managing labs.
  6. In my opinion, the quality of certain areas of the education has suffered with the first expansion class. However, I don't know if that's because it was the first year of expansion and we suffered through the growing pains or whether it is due to larger class size. Anyways, 256 spots is great news for applicants regardless. While there is truly a doctor shortage is another story.
  7. OK, we can debate on "value to society" all day. I feel doctors should be compensated based on length/rigours of their training, volume of info/skills that has to be mastered, number of hours work. Afterall, isn't that how we justify being relatively better paid than other healthcare professions? We don't ever say we are be paid more than nurses, pharmacists, etc because we are "more valuable". We put in more years of schooling, those years involve long grueling hours, we take on more responsibility/liability, etc. Right? Let's compare a neurosugery and psychiatry residency. Neurosugery is absolutely brutal, the residents put in 100+ hrs a week. Where I am at, the 36 hr rule is frowned upon, so they go 2 days without sleeping when on call. The lifestyle doesn't get a whole of better as staff. Psychiatry is one of the cushiest residency there is, the residents are on call 1 in 10? And it's 24 hr call, where you typically get to sleep. It may be 5 yrs long, but it's a very benign 5 years. It's a very lifestyle friendly specialty as an attending. Let's look at the volume of info/skills that has to be mastered. The psychiatry interview isn't easy. You can also argue that it takes a lifetime to master the nuances of interacting with psychiatric patients. But look at what it takes to pass the boards in neurosurgery and in psychiatry. The amount of info/skill required is considerably greater in neurosurg. As a previous poster implied, a lot of med students "sleep walk" through psyc. Doesn't that say something about how demanding a specialty is when you can "sleep walk" through it and still do relatively well? Can you do that in internal, surgery? ER? That's probably too harsh, I apologize in advance to those offended. I am not a "psychiatry detractor" ,I just simply feel that they should not be as well paid as specialties that are much more demanding.
  8. Do a neurosurgery rotation, and then do a psychiatry rotation, and you will see why neurosurgeons should be pay way way more.
  9. You'll probably help a lot more patients if you make your millions in business and then donate it to researchers, or you can have a medical school named after you.
  10. Well, most specialists will NOT be making $700,000. Maybe gross billings can approach that amount for a few specialties like opthal, ENT, ortho, cardio, GI, radiology. Then you have to deduct your overhead cost. With fee for service, eleminating the cap just gives MDs freedom to work more if they choose to. Making 700K just means you'll be seeing a heck of a lot more patients. I'll diverge a bit here and say many lay people grossly overestimate what physicians make. Cost of tuition, opportunity costs, years of working for min wage in residency/fellowship, number of hours worked, and lack of benefits are often overlooked. It's difficult to say what's "deserved", most of us can't work in the private sector where the consumers can dictate our fees. Personally, minimal of 10K take home pay a month is what I feel MDs working full time should earn, anything above that is gravy. Having said that, lawyers, business executives at the top of their profession easily make more than 700K. Is it all that outrageous for MDs at the top of their profession to make that much?
  11. I would add that the admission process has gotten a lot more transparent and objective since the expansion and Dr. Frinton became dean. The kids on here are probably too young to remember the days when there were only 128 spots and 300 interviews granted. We had two one-on-one interviews anytime from January to April. The interviews took place where the interviewers worked, so some students ended up waiting for hours if there MD interviewer gets called away. There were no structure to the interviews. It can lasts from 20 minutes to 1 1/2 hr depending on your interviewer's mood. With no preset questions and no panel, it was extremely subjective and applicants would have huge variation in their two scores and be rejected on that basis. Now we have as objective as possible panel interviews, same qustions across the board, a structured interview weekend and even med students to soothe your nerves. Screening for resume padding can no doubt be subjective, but I don't believe overseas volunteering is punished, it just wouldn't be looked upon as more favourable than local work. Unfortuantely, the cost of tution have skewed the demographics of medical school classes towards students from higher income families anyways, but that's for another thread. The article greatly inflated the difficulty of getting into UBC. It mentioned the rejected applicant with the 89% average, but failed to mention that the average of ACCEPTED applicants are much lower than that. Perhaps there was a problem with the interview as the above poster mentioned. Also, the stat of 1800 applicants for 224 spots is grossly exaggerated. 800 of those applications are for the 10 out-of-province spots. The number of in-province spots are still going up, perhaps to 280 spots if the Okanagan campus opens. We have or will become the easiest school to gain admission to. It is my opinion that almost every solid applicant in BC can proceed to the interview stage. I apologize if this offends anyone. But the prospective applicants on these forums should know that you don't have to win a gold medal, have all A's and save the whale to get in.
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