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  1. Interesting. Again with the personal jabs. Every jab I made was a criticism at the merits of the situation. You’re not even jabbing what would be considered to be a dispute in merit. You’re just insulting my life with stereotypes which does not serve the initial purpose of the constructive nature of this thread.
  2. Mitra - What part specifically is BS? All the facts that you don’t know or that there’s way more appealing jobs than doctor?
  3. Ok my point is people are living longer healthier lives. Couple that with the actual acceleration of progress in terms of technology and economic productivity...there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic that lifespan and general health and quality of life will only increase which will reduce the current problems even further down. 20 years of progress in the future is not equivalent to the 20 years of progress starting in the fifties. Everything’s easier faster better to figure out now. This is why life only gets better with time because we have more and more tools. And yes you are all right! I should not even be on here because before logging on this afternoon I debated it because it’s the most unproductive thing I’ve done since last being active on here last year! I should probably be working yes absolutely! But now I have the luxury of independence. Even if I take off some 0s in that figure and lose some deals hey life is pretty good for me still! But this was not my intent. I was thinking adults can have a frank discussion with no BS. Rather than lashing out at my personality how about we evaluate my critiques of the medical system. Sadly it looks like the awareness and initiative is not there amongst most of those who have replied this afternoon. But anyways I’m gonna go cause I feel bad now cause you guys are probably just like 22 years old. Didn’t think of that and it’s kind of an unfair debate. Honestly and sincerely all the best to everyone and my only real gripe with medicine if I’m in your shoes again is that I want those in it to care more about it so that it can be improved from our current standard significantly. And also more well rounded ness. Everyone should be as sharp as a tac! If that can be achieved then I think that’s quite good for everyone by leaps and bounds.
  4. Dude. Being proud of myself even if medicine isn’t for me? As if medicine is the only way to be proud? Super strange way to word it. This suuuuper makes it sound like you have some kind of complex. Haha I could make so many more points. Like bitterness among doctors. Classic example right here in the holier than thou doctor seeing that some poor soul is still proud despite not being a doctor, and what a clever eye you have in spotting this! Nothing gets by you! Even if it’s compulsive and manipulative and false to make the assertion you’re making! Again this is why no single healthy sane person enjoys going to see a doctor. Everyone’s doing telehealth here now so we can be away from those shady creepy type of people. And Like dude here’s another newsflash for you, smart people generally don’t think doctors are smart. Ask any doctor if it is an intellectual challenge to be a doctor. In my experience I’ve been told by experienced physicians that being a doctor is not particularly intellectually challenging and I have no reason to doubt it and if you believe it more from here then there are med students who have corroborated that on here. First 2 years is pure rote....you know how many majors wouldn’t waste their time on that purely on intellectual grounds? It’s super boring and a waste of time to puzzle-solver types. I do think cases are kind of interesting but again it doesn’t satisfy me personally anywhere near the hard sciences cause medicine is way easier. Once again that’s why the respect level is not there from technical types or anyone who is able to see this fact. Part of the reason why I wanted to be more of a technician cause I saw a surgeon as having a higher expertise. But I mean cmon...netters is a picture book...I did that when I was 6 with dinosaurs it’s the exact same concept. I’m very proud that I’m not pursuing medicine because I actually hate it and I think it’s a huge waste of my time. Waste of time for me because it’s a lot of work for a low salary. Also others have pointed out that physicians don’t live in boxes. But actually in the neighbourhoods that I’d like to continue to buy in, a married surgeon and dentist cannot come close to affording a house...it’s not even in some posh area of the US, just the reality in Vancouver. To further elaborate this point for people that follow the US system, observers are noticing that Americans have almost no interest in medical school on the whole. They are heavily relying on foreigners now because Americans don’t want to do this type of job anymore. A doctor used to be seen as a good job a long time ago, and a millenia before that..... But now in the US almost no Caucasian American wants to do this job anymore. Look at how many ethnically Chinese and Indians are in the US medical system. I don’t know if you know this but Stanford has hardly any caucasians in med. Caucasians as a whole don’t have a huge interest in medicine anymore. Now I’m sure this is on a sliding scale in terms of income, because the poor caucasians who are misguided may not know any better. But do a test for me. Ask a 65 year old what it used to mean to be a doctor in America/Canada. You had cures for polio and new successfully surgeries and anything else you can think of. Now ask a 24 year old what it means to be a doctor. Guaranteed they will not idolize and be general “fans” of a doctor to the level that was seen in the older generation. Point illustrated as to why medicine is in serious decline on many fronts. And if you want the PC version that will allow you to not change your entire life framework then read the blog of ralk, former respected member in medical training. But back to the point is that, There will even be a lot of people who aren’t just not fans of doctors or neutral, but actually many have disdain for the medical viewpoint in terms of the criticisms that the body is not like a car, too many pills for side effects, misdiagnosis, medical mistakes as whole, etc. I mean look at the rise in naturopathy. I don’t know if you guys just aren’t seeing this as much cause you’re not on the west coast but naturopathy is huge now. I’m honestly just giving these posters the benefit of the doubt when I’m not sure if I should. Because if you are not seeing the problem with the medical system, then perhaps that is precisley the problem with it. but for naturopaths People trust them more. And people are in fact obsessively healthy in terms of their diet and exercise. Your average millennial girl that has had weight issues and lost it has the same level of expertise as an RD. It’s not complicated to figure out average weighted nutritional values by mass...I know uneducated people who have done this with ease. But going back to the rise of naturopathy. People will always want advice no doubt. But being totally honest here no one of relatively good health is interested in chemical pharmaceuticals. And some docs do a good job, don’t provide you anything on a prescription pad cause you don’t need it just clean up the habits and you’ll be better. Anyways rather than getting to the delivery of medicine I think the key take away here is the role of the physician is in serious decline. Naturopathy. Healthy lifestyles amongst young people. I mean it’s not all good cause of juul and stuff so who knows things can change again I suppose. And what about pharmaceutical kickbacks for doctors?? I mean I feel like a ton of doctors love drugs when they are too lazy to give the complicated solutions of preventative medicine etc. Complicated in that it requires much more effort to figure out all of that then it does to see how much they weigh and then to drug away. I felt like I saw this all the time at the clinic if I had a flu back when I was still pro medicine. Just a word of advice. If you can be honest and give a truely honest critique of what is wrong with medicine then that will increase your productivity in making the world a better place X a trillion. Rather than pretending like there are no issues and having the blinders on, cause I have serious issues with that because that is extremely dangerous, incompetent, and disrespectful. and as for the finances...the finances don’t make any sense. To specialize you do 9 years of more school. Do you have any idea how detreimental this is to bring financially successful? 500k a year is not worth that number of years of delay in income. That doesn’t even get you a nice mortgage in good parts of Vancouver. But excuse me I’m going to go out to the bar eat dinner watch football cause my life is awesome then study finance so I can get paid my 1.5ish million in pending financial deals for this MONTH. Anyways being open, transparent, and constructive is always a good idea no matter what profession you are in.
  5. Okay so I think the people that used to read my posts/post with are probably knee deep in clerkships/residencies and beyond by now but I just wanted to share my story and put it on the internet forever in the off chance that it helps someone accomplish their goals, and maybe particularly help someone make some key life decisions. For the record I ended up with an ultra competitive application last year that I would not have believed could be possible. So for quite a long time...I was absolutely obsessed and determined to get into medicine...probably 6-7 years. It actually became a defining feature of who I was to others I knew socially. But I could make a strong case that thinking that medicine was right for me for so long was one of the worst decisions of my life and kind of a waste of 6ish years. I was absolutely sure that I wanted nothing more than to go to med school become a doc then do some more training (a lot) and work to get paid to help people get treated for illnesses. But this alludes to the problem. I wanted to get paid more than anything. I was seriously lying to myself that I could get by with the career satisfaction and remuneration of a physician (including costs for training and low resident salaries). I naively scoffed at other accounts of those older than me that there are problems with this path...but I thought I wouldn’t be like that. I mean how happy would I be when the moment I finish that MCAT and that same summer night when I’m done the biggest hurdle in getting accepted...and how happy would I actually be when I get that acceptance? Speaking of which, during one of my volunteering activities I met a woman who was one out of the 3 women who was in the inaugural class of med school at UBC. She was so wonderful when she struck up a conversation with me when I had shared with the group that I was a bio major. But she said something absolutely horrifying to me...and before I say what it was let me say that she had a great career as a specialist working with a desirable population and her husband was a great himself in that he had that ultra specialized big city position in the US and later on became dean of a medical school and was instrumental in its development. Definitely fulfilling careers right? And they were in love! The horrifying thing she told me was that the day she got accepted into medical school was the best day of her life. That absolutely scared me to death that I was making a big mistake. Now before you construe that she meant that it was the beginning of everything and the birth of something beautiful...it was clear from our conversation that that’s not what she meant...she was very clearly saying...I remember being that age...it was good...it’s all downhill from there kid. So that was pretty unsettling but of course I was still dismissive because this was my dream...my biggest dream...I don’t want an anticlamtic let down of my life just as how she described hers and her husbands...her husband was in the Canadian med hall of fame for goodness sakes...it was everything success in med is supposed to be from a gunners standpoint haha. Anyways where I’m going with this is...I think there was a perfect storm of factors in my life that lead me to believe a career in medicine was the best for me. Those were: -high science marks coupled with personal satisfaction of course completions in these areas -family wanted me to be successful -TV studios/positive real life anecdotes of income and other factors from people who aren’t doctors -thought that cute smart girls were in higher proportions in medicine haha so emabrsssig to admit! (By this logic I probably should have just kept my hotel restaurant server/busboy job) -not knowing anything real or tangible (ie not internet “stats” or other online readings about other careers) about any careers other than healthcare ——-thinking that medicine was actually a high paying career in that it will get you rich. -ingrained with academic success being a top priority from peers/the world at large since the age of 6 -thought that the work of a physician was more important than almost all other lines of work... -it’s a respected profession -probably other more typical reasons And so there are 4 main things that ultimately made me realize to decide against a medical career. 1)People are going to need medicine less and less. people are getting to be so healthy nowadays. The move towards exercise and healthy diet is going to extend lives and prevent disease to such a great effect that I think as someone in your 20s medicine is kind of a bad spot to be in....physician compensation has been on a strong and steady decline since the mid 80s...yeah that’s a decline when inflation has obviously gone up a lot in the same time frame. So from an economic perspective the declines should not be this big but again the declines in patients are very real. I was super interested in CV surg so I assume it’s not true for all specialties but I mean I personally don’t think there’s many diseases that can’t be fended off with a life of exercise and plants to prevent it from ever happening. Obviously some disease will happen in reality but you get the point...the healthier people are...the lower the compensation...and it’s obvious people are healthier than ever. I mean for the young people I know seeing a doctor is pretty irrelevant. It serves no purpose. A doctor is a non issue to the vast majority of young people. It’s just not something people generally think about. Obv there are exceptions but for a lot of healthy people they don’t ever need to see a doctor....kind of a thought that ruins the whole super important work theme. Obv it is for the people who need it. But just look at philanthropy. You heard it hear im aggressively calling for disease irradication in the decades to come. There will a ton of prevent through healthy habits and then philanthropy will push towards cures for diseases. 2) I don’t have an interest in treating old people all day. Assume that my premise in point 1 evolves so that the disease that does occur generally happens more often in older people (this is already true obviously but just assuming it becomes more pronounced in an increasingly adherent in being healthy population). Ok so now some specialities just have tons of old people that make up the patient population. I don’t know why but I’d rather hang out and work with young people who are my peers rather than spending 20 years after med school studying and training just to hang out exclusively with old people for the few years of my shortned career. Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s gotta be like 10x more old people in a hospital than young people. 3) the ultimate yomen’s work is in bench research, not in being an MD. I think this is so overlooked. Being the gunner that I am little did I know that research is much more ambitious than an MD clinical route. So many laypeople see doctors as the heros fighting disease....in reality I have a strong argument that I would consider actually a truth in that, curing all diseases or disease prevention is infinitely better than treating them after the fact - any way you slice it. And the level of understanding that a good scientist has is astounding...an MD doing clinical just doesn’t have that kind of time to know the science to that same level. In effect a doctor is just a caretaker rather than a crusader against disease. In my last year of considering medicine I was lured to thinking I could do a PhD/MD at a top research school. I ultimately decided against research as well because of ..... 4) Money!!! So for some reason I’ve said on this forum that I would be a surgeon for free if my basic living costs can be covered so like maybe 40k a year. No idea how I thought this. But I think when you’ve put that many hours into something in a short period of time and your yet to achieve any real success or any ultimate accomplishment your bias gets you to lie to yourself in a non objective way. I’ve actually always loved money. Money is equal to independence pure and simple. When you have money no one can control you and only you control yourself. And I knew this, and even began searching for high paid options in medicine that would allow me to live the lifestyle I want. I found out that basically no academic neurosurgeons in the US make under a million a year for a variety of reasons (any call they do is not calculated in their posted salaries, it is totally excluded. And for a neurosurgeon this can be 200-300 extra a year. And then also the different aspects of their position will not be included. For example administrative compensation as a manager chief whatever may be filed under something else and research may fall under some other division of employment as well. So basically the number you see posted on a hospitals employee list of salaries is one out of 4 potential income streams that they can make. At least for the US. But anyways I thought ok that’s pretty good I can try to do really well and be committed to medicine and make a million a year. But then I realized this is shortchanging the lifestyle I want. My current career allows me to attempt to make 60x this figure at the peak of the industry in this country so yes 60 million and actually much much more than that is also possible. This is just something important to me. I want to make as much money as possible because I think that’s cool. Some people clearly hate money and all that western democratic capitalism has provided us. I am not one of these people. I’m sure these people got the set of CARS questions wrong that has to do with topics on capitalism, the constitution etc. I for one however aced those parts of the CARS practice tests. I have an ultimate appreciation for the economic system and the transformative change associated with wealth. Money motivates me more than anything else. As soon San I started traveling across the states...forget about it. No way am I hanging out at a hospital everyday. Plus I’m big into real estate and business so I want to start several companies spread out through different industries and also own some trophy properties on the water in some great cities. Waterfront properties in the cities I’m looking at can’t be afforded by a plastic surgeon or any doctor in the world (except Patrick Soon b/c he’s a billionaire from his business ventures). But that’s the point. The things I want to accomplish in life are reserved for billionaires and people close to it. So I’d rather be honest with myself and try to achieve that rather than trying to change who I am for a profession I don’t want. An American perspective is that the reason you choose med is irrelevent, including if money is the motivation. But if you are at all interested in making money, such to the point that you’d think you’d definitely need more than 350k a year then you should absolutely pursue other avenues. Income is unlimited in other areas. Do that if that’s what you care about. I wholeheartedly belive money should not be a part of your decision to be a doctor. In my analysis it makes for bad doctors. So I just thought I’d go on record to say that I had probably the most competitive unconventional application you’ve ever seen. Grades could be a lot higher and no MCAT so that’s unknown but could make a strong case based on ECs accomplishments alone. -I started a business that earned 200k in retained earnings a year at 23...on a part time basis, -I could run a 4 minute mile and was offered a spot on the UBC track team and was in talks with world renowned international Olympic coaches. Definitely could have ran at close to an Olympic level With some more training. World record used to be 4 mins in the 50s when systemic racism was prevalent ha ha -I got my grades up with some serious GPA repair...I failed a ton of classes my first two years but still ended up with an A average after a large amount of credits. It’s actually an A- average I believe which is the low side but pretty proud of it and don’t think it’s a hindersnce for a lot of schools. -I got 6 months of extensive research experience in bench work with a heavy hitting Ivy League biochemist and was urged to start writing review articles in neuroscience. and was also offered a somewhat permanent but definitely long term research position with another acclaimed tenured scientist at his lab at an Ivy League institution. The reason I’m sharing this is not only to make myself feel good (ha ha) but also to show people what is possible in bouncing back from adversity. How many people fail a semester or a class or two and figure that’s the end of any dream they have. had you told me I had done all these things and have them on paper by 25 I would’ve said that’s insanity. But above all else, I had a vision for myself. And I think in particular I have a talent for having incredible vision but I think it’s something that others can try to cultivate. Even if you’re in 1st year and you’re not getting the grades you want...you can cultivate a future for yourself where you are successful. As much as I regret learning about valence electrons for 2 years of my life I belive I received an excellent education because of coursework and well rounded experiences. Exactly what the idea of post secondary education is supposed to cultivate. So in a lot of ways I set out to accomplish everything I was looking for in my quarter life, less an MCAT score. But you get the point. So even if you failed two semesters maybe don’t move back home and wait tables again at your old job and see where it goes...you can try to have persistence and accomplish everything you set out to accomplish originally (as long as you can take care of your health while doing it) Overcoming great odds to achieve success will make you a better person. I went from academic probation to an Ivy League research career with the presumption of grad school in basic science at said Ivy League school. Even though I won’t need to know a single thing from college now for any reason becuse im not a scientist. But hey who knows it might’ve made me better not just on paper but in practice. (Ironic that practice is the last word on this thought). If anyone is ever looking for tips to be successful in college and in particular bounce back from failed grades then DM me and I’d be happy to talk to you to try to help or chat about anything else. What might save a lot of time in explaining is that everyone looking for a study strategy should be doing Cornell Notes. Learning researchers say this is the most effective way to learn and retain information. Also if you have the time you can make a habit of going to the library for some hours. Just you and your course content it’s up to you to learn it and not get distracted. I always liked the library environment and what a great feeling getting out having learned hundreds of things in a few hours before an exam....I always thought after doing some university exams how funny the expression “you learn something new everyday” is. Before an exam I’d easily learn hundreds of things in a day so felt that quote to be a little inadequate now ha ha. Anyways until next time PM101. Good luck in whatever you choose! You can do it!
  6. For some reason I used to be super interested in these two paths in the US After med school cv peds 5+3 or 6 (few and harder to get into so basically assume 8) + 2 I think + 2-3 fellowships Also after med school combined nsx and plastics residency is 10 years + whatever fellowships but was definitely interested in doing 3 in spine surg onc and whatever clipping and coiling falls under can’t remember hah
  7. canucks_14

    NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

    This is such a solid move by them. Tbh it actually makes no financial sense to be a doctor in my opinion when other options are available. This is an extremely powerful recruiting tool for NYU. And I don’t know the numbers but don’t most med students take on debt? I would think in Canada esp just because economically we’re way worst off financially than our US counterparts. The debt for physicians is pretty sad...especially if you have no cash of your own in year 1 of med. haven’t gone through all scenarios but delaying upper average income for 9 years is incredibly detrimental when you look at the financial math....haha maybe one day med students will get paid a residents salary! :P maybe I’m a bit of alarmist but I do think a few US schools will go there in some time.
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  10. canucks_14

    Congrats rmorelan

    holy **** ! I was looking at the forums on my phone in the other thread and I couldn't see the sig. that is unreal! funny thing was when you mentioned emergency radiology prior to me reading it, it re-reminded me that I have those DVDs of Boston med i've been lugging around everywhere circa 2015. So flash forward now and I'm incredibly inspired haha and think I may have to crack them open and watch the first episode tonight. This is incredible and I'll leave it at that. (Although, if you do happen to make the natural progression of starting an instagram account as a medical superstar, I would definitely follow that haha)
  11. canucks_14

    What's On Your Mind?

    Congrats on emergency radiology! So admirable (emergency roles are so intriguing to me. It’s part of what lures me to apply to all of medicine in the first place). Yeah occasionaly seems likely. I just have friends in a central province though, and as pharmacists they said it was quite often in their locale.
  12. canucks_14

    What's On Your Mind?

    SDN is really no holds barred. But there’s some civil subforums I check out. If you’re a non trad they have one or two suited towards you. On a side note, I heard being a pharmacist is tough because it breaks your heart when patients can’t pay for their medicine. Does this happen frequently? Was just curious about the experiences of others on this.
  13. canucks_14

    Bad First year?

    Look OP I think you have a ton of learning to do. The fact you are unaware of career paths in your own field shows a great deal of a lack in maturity. Any established physician that patients “love” will most certainly be able to provide some level of counsel, especially to impressionable youth, those in need; or worst of all, both of those in conjunction. Something as simple of a question as “what jobs exist in my community/City/province/country”is quite a simple answer to provide. However rather than serving strictly as a voice of judgement, let me say I am very intrigued by your drive. You clearly want top grades, and that is an incredible part of who you are. You have a set of tremendous attributes that no one can take away from you and your chemistry marks and bio labs show that. Some of the responses on here are extremely inaccurate. The fact you are even contemplating medicine at this critical stage of the premed journey shows a lot about you. If I may offer a suggestion, why not approach the professor for assistance? But for the love of goodness can you please do an incredible amount of homework before you see your teacher ( maybe don’t say how you would not like to be a teacher as it sounds offputting in your initial post- and if you ever make it to an interview, do you have a reason for not wanting to be a teacher?) Being a doctor and teacher are more similiar than you might think. How do you feel about school? You’re a good student with great grades? But you’re scurrying about over one midterm? As long as you don’t get diherea for every midterm from now on I think you’re good. You can rock your tests if you want to. That’ll be a part of why your future patients will love you so much. Your dreams are not shattered. In fact just keep working hard and things will play out the way you want if you hit your stride in the subjects your taking. You are not off-target from medicine as others are incorrectly deducing, in fact it is quite the opposite. You are very close because of the sum of your marks. If you are still unconvinced, take one weekend morning and read the admissions websites/brochures/materials/OMSAS entries and see what is required of you in order to make up for a poor first year, whatever that might entail.
  14. canucks_14

    What's On Your Mind?

    This stuff is so dynamic. A lot of it is out of my control. Looking forward to the end of this semester to see what’s out there for a summer start term. Funding is such a huge restriction of course but the summer is a long ways away so I’ll see. But the lesson was it was great for me to network at events! Thanks for the kind words though!
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