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  1. Kasiunut

    From Finance to Medicine

    Until you get your permanent residence set up, you can't apply to medical school in Canada. Well, you CAN, but its practically impossible to get in as an international student - most med schools flat out don't accept international students or only accept 1 or 2. Also, its MUCH, MUCH more expensive. For example, McMaster University accepts international students, but the cost of tuition is $96,000 PER YEAR for three years, compared to $29,000 per year for Canadian citizens/PRs. My advice would be to try and do medical school in the UK or Ireland, do your post-grad training there and then come to Canada that route. It will take a much longer time but its more realistic.
  2. Hey ok, so you can find this out on the Immigration page of the government of Canada, but short answer you can risk losing your PR. However, there may be an option to have them put a "hold" on it while you do your medical residency. The issue is that you would be also post-poning your citizenship. But this is definitely something you should double check.
  3. I've heard that as a IMG one of the things that will help your chances the most is to do several elective rotations in Canadian med schools/hospitals during the clerkship years and obtain letters of recommendation. Does anyone know how to go about doing this? Any advice would be welcome!
  4. You can definitely do it in Ireland or the UK but don't count on Australia as its even harder for IMG Aussies to get residency spots than for Canadian IMGs to get Canadian residency spots. Plus Aussie med school tuitions is INCREDIBLY high ($70K + per year). I'd 100% go the Irish route if I were you! Plus, worst case you stay and work and live in Ireland, but unless you have Aussie citizenship, you wont be able to stay in Oz after.
  5. Hey so unfortunately getting an Australian residency is virtually impossible for IMGs, even if you are Australian. There are many Aussies in my program who can't get back to Australia to do their residency so they are instead aiming for the UK to become qualified and will go back to Oz after. However, if you want to WORK in Australia as a doctor, if you do your residency in Canada or the UK for example, you can go there to work after.
  6. Hey! So as a UK med grad, you'd be considered an IMG. Only Canadian citizens and permanent residents are eligible to do residency in Canada anyway, but unless you graduate from a Canadian or US med school, you'll be considered an IMG. You have two options to come back to Canada. 1) Do a residency in Canada. But like the PP said, this comes with a return of service requirement. Its 5 years and basically you can't do it in a major urban area (they state specifically in each province what that is) - so for example in Ontario its the GTA (Toronto, Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan...) and Ottawa. But it changes so you need to keep up to date. 2) Do a residency in a CPFC-approved jurisdiction - UK, Ireland, USA and Australia Things to consider: - residency in Canada or the US is much faster than the UK. So for example, a standard family med residency in Canada is 2 years. In the UK and Ireland its 5 years. - getting residency in the UK/Ireland isn't that easy if you don't have an EU/EEA (European Economic Area) passport. They give preference to students who have European citizenship. You have to taken an additional exam besides the standard SJE and you can only take after graduation, which would put your starting date off by a year. So if you don't have a EU passport, the process will take you 6 years to do a standard FM residency. - if you want to do a residency in Canada, its not just taking the exam. You are expected to do several clinical rotations/electives in Canada during your clerkship years (and as an IMG you need to pay for them and arrange to do them during the school year) and have letters of recommendation from doctors in residency programs that you would like to get into. Currently only about 20% of IMGs match to an Ontario residency program. You need to be exceptional and to increase your chances, you should aim for primary care. Here is some further info. https://www.cpso.on.ca/Applicant-Information/International-Medical-Graduates/Qualifying-to-Practice-Medicine-in-Ontario?fbclid=IwAR2u6xhFRenhQRTqD5ZmVxYv2SNawCSwl7s79e4Kp3oBR2aunkTXWFPv7XA
  7. Yeah at the moment EU med graduates have the same status as UK med graduates, though this may change with Brexit (however at the moment it seems that this will not change any time soon). I've been looking at the UK as the most likely place (its where most grads from my program go if they want to go to an English speaking environment) and most get in. I'd LOVE to come back to Canada sooner also because residency for family med is much shorter than the UK and I'm an older student (I'll be 38 when I graduate). Any other advice on improving my matching chance in Canada? Should I be doing summer practice in Canada? Do I contact all my medical contacts? Do I start researching residencies now and getting to know the people involved?
  8. Never mind, I found it - here it is in case anyone else is looking, for Ontario at least! https://www.cpso.on.ca/Applicant-Information/International-Medical-Graduates/Services-for-IMGs http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/hhrsd/physicians/international_medical_graduates.aspx
  9. So I'm currently doing my medical degree at the Medical University of Warsaw. I'm a dual Canadian/Polish-EU citizen and my plan is to do my post-grad medical training as a family doctor in the UK or Ireland and then once I'm full qualified come back to Canada. Worst case scenario I can always work/practice in Poland or the UK/Ireland. Is this realistic? Also, just to be sure, doing residency in Canada as am IMG is going to be fairly difficult right? - Not just from a matching perspective, but also because I've heard there is a return of service requirement. Can someone point me to where I can find out more about this?
  10. I was wondering where OP you got that hours in the UK are better? I'm only asking because I have several friends going through the system in the UK and they complain that the hours are brutal. On par or worse than anything in Canada. One has been actively trying to convince me not to bother applying to training in the UK after I'm done my med training in Poland (which may not be an option anyway because of brexit). I do hear good things about Scotland though. But it's a bit different for me as I'm an EU citizen so my options afterwards are different to those who are just Canadians.
  11. Kasiunut

    Good anatomy app?

    Yup I'm attending the Medical University of Warsaw and it's a well known fact that abou 25% fail out after the first year, similar to the Caribbean schools. I also have several friends who have been through the program told me that anatomy is the class that most people will fail and failing it means you can't proceed to the next year (though you can repeat the first year once, id rather get it on the first try). It's an old school anatomy course with cadavers etc and they make it exceptionally difficult apparently . I just wanted a leg up and get familiar with it.
  12. I'm starting med school in September and have heard that the anatomy course is the hardest and is one of the attrition classes - about 25% of the first year will fail out because of anatomy. So I want to do some pre-study of anatomy this summer so that I hit the ground running and am wondering if anyone has has good recommendations for apps and online resources? Im ok to pay for good ones too! Also, any other physical tools that you think would be helpful to study would be much appreciated!
  13. Six years ago I embarked on a journey to fulfill my dream of becoming a doctor and I'm thrilled to say that in another six years, this dream will become a reality. A month ago I was accepted to medical school and in two and a half months I will be starting. Background: I was a 26 year old, married mother of one and a CPA. I had graduated with honors from the Richard Ivey School of Business (Western) and had a very good GPA. I immediately started working for PricewaterhouseCoopers (now just known as PwC) and started working towards my CPA designation. I knew almost immediately that this was NOT the career for me, however I had just started so decided to make a go of it. But after 5 years of it getting worse and worse, as well as some personal issues, I had deep look at my life and realized that I wanted to become a doctor. I was incredibly lucky to have a very supportive family and husband - I quit my job to focus on getting in but I made some big mistakes. First of all, I tried to take some shortcuts - I wanted to apply right away because I had a strong GPA so I went all in for Mac. I took an MCAT prep course and hoped my GPA was strong enough to get me through. Unfortunately, my MCAT was not good enough (9, 9 10) the first time around and I decided to try again - however just before I wrote my second attempt, I discovered I was pregnant with my 2nd child. It threw me and I did worse my second time around. Then I decided to pause my attempts at med school - I second guessed myself as to whether this was a good idea or not. Then we had an opportunity to move to New Zealand and I again discovered that one of the med schools there had an alternative pathway for non-trad students and I really thought I had a chance. I even took a university level chemistry course to prove I can do the sciences (I got a 98% in the course) however, there too it wasn't enough. While we were in NZ, I also had our 3rd child. When I didn't get in yet again, I decided to throw in the towel and focus on something else. I knew I couldn't go back to the world of public accounting but started to look into what I could do. I considered law school. I looked into opening up a shop. But everything felt half-hearted. I knew deep in my soul that medicine was all I wanted to do. Luckily my amazing husband knew too and suggested I try in Poland. I am a Polish citizen and am fluent in the language and had lived there before. I had briefly considered it in the past, but was put off by having to do the 6 year program. But now I just look at it as a good thing. It takes 6 years because it starts with a lot of basics and there is a LOT of clinical time, plus three months off over the summer. When I mentioned our idea to my parents they too were incredibly supportive and sweetened the deal for us - they said that we could live in their house (they go back and forth between Canada and Poland for their work) if I got in, completely for free. They had been trying to sell it with no luck (the political situation isn't great there at the moment) but had been paying a full time house keeper to live their in their absences. They said it would be a win-win because they would no longer need to pay someone to live there and care for the house and we would get a place to live for free. So I decided to go all in for the University of Warsaw's English language program for HS graduates, which is a 6 year program. There is also a 4 year program, but you have to have a BSc to apply, which I didn't have. To get in you need to pass their entrance exam in Chemistry, Biology and Physics. I had some major bumps in the road, but I managed to pass their exam and got accepted. It is an incredible feeling. YES, I know that as an international med school graduate I may not get a residency spot in Canada. But for me, becoming an MD is more important than the ability to return to Canada. However, I'm pretty sure I want to do family medicine, and if I do a residency in Ireland, Scotland or England (which will be possible for me as an EU citizen, though Brexit may have made it a bit tougher for UK) which is what a lot of the grads from this program end up doing, I may be able to practice in Canada and for sure in New Zealand (my husband is a citizen and I have permanent residency status there). Worst case scenario, I will just end up in Poland, but luckily as a citizen and graduate from a Polish med school I'd have no problems. I actually know a lot of people who graduated from this program and they all have the best things to say (about the quality of teaching, though dealing with the admin side is brutal). One guy went on to become a radiologist and do a fellowship at Cambridge and is now working on his PhD in radiology in DC. Another couple work as ER docs in Arizona. Another one is finishing up her residency in Scotland and loves in. I realize though that I'm incredibly and uniquely lucky. I have SO MUCH support from my friends and family, both in the form of encouragement and financially. My husband moved to a country where he doesn't speak the language and has little opportunity for work (though at the moment is able to work remotely) but told me he will do what he needs to do to make it work. My parents have saved us a TON of money by providing free housing. We have enough savings to pay for my tuition and costs without us needing to take on any debt. In some ways, I do wish I had gone the traditional route for non-trad students - I should have started from scratch and gone back to school and gotten a BSc OR simply tried Poland from the beginning. I'd likely be done by now and starting residency. But that said, it many ways I'm so glad it worked out the way it did. I have three beautiful children, with whom I've been able to spend a lot of time and my family is complete. I will be able to focus my efforts on med school and residency and not have to worry about my fertility or relationship status. I'll still be in my 30's when I graduate (I'm now almost 33 and will be a month shy of my 39th birthday when I graduate). But what kept me going was the thought that "well, I'll be 35, 40, 45 ANYWAY...at least I'll be 35 and a med student, 40 and a resident, 45 and an MD." That said, this is really just the beginning. This program has about a 25% attrition rate after the 1st year so I need to make sure I stay on top of my game. If anyone, particularly moms, is interested in my story, I've had a blog documenting my journey of the past six years at my blog, mdorbust.blogspot.com and I will continue to blog about my life as a medical student and mom and how I balance it. Anyway, I just wanted to share my very non-trad story and pathway to an MD. Please feel free to get in touch but please be patient as I don't check my inbox too regularly. Good luck to everyone!
  14. Kasiunut

    Good reason for deferral?

    Yes, I do have a child already, am married and am in a good position financially. I'm going to ignore the abortion question from the PP. It doesn't merit a response. If I got in, I'd be stating school when the baby would be around 4 months, so like Birdy said it wouldn't be impossible to do (I would hire a nanny) as many women return to work as early as 6 weeks post-partum. But I would prefer to take the year off because I AM very aware of how hard it is in the newborn stage,and in any case I WANT to be the one there for the first year. I was just curious to see if anyone has ever heard of this happening before. Thanks to everyone who responded with maturity.
  15. I recently found out I am pregnant (not planned) and am due in April 2013. I have spent the past year preparing to apply to med school and now find myself in a position of wondering, realistically what my chances would be getting in if interviewing while HEAVILY pregnant (assuming I get an interview, most of which would be in March/April)? Is pregnancy or having given birth shortly before the school year starts a good reason to defer? Say I do awesome on the interview and by some miracle no one discrimiates against the fact that I am going to have a baby, would I be able to defer med school for a year? Is this a legitimate reason to request deferral? Has anyone ever heard of this happening?
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