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  1. Can't believe it's been that long already... Barely recognize the medical school admissions process anymore. Anyways, I'm happy to refresh it, if someone would work on it. I don't even know where to start... I don't even recognize how the MCAT is scored
  2. Copied from emails and the online scheduler The Interview Scheduling system at http://dom.lhsc.on.ca/carms does NOT include all Universities/Programs across Canada. I have added a link to show all the participating Universities/Programs on the web page. If the University/Program is not listed you will have to contact that university for your interview. Each University/Program are responsible to activate their university to accept interview scheduling. Under the column Web Page Active? if it says No then you will not be able to click on the university name. If it says Yes then click on the unversity name and select your interview date/time. If no universities are listed or a university you feel has or should be accepting you for an interview you must contact that university to select you as a candidate. The Internal Medicine programs will be activating their sites for interview selection at the end of the week other programs may activate on different days. List of schools and programs using the online scheduler The following Universities/Programs participate in our Interview Scheduling System. IMPORTANT: If the University/Program is not listed you must contact them directly to book your interview. This page lists the participating Universities/Programs and is NOT the web page to schedule your interviews which is the orginal page you log into. University Program McGill University Anatomical Pathology McGill University Anesthesiology McGill University Dermatology McGill University Diagnostic Radiology McGill University Emergency Medicine McGill University General Surgery University of Alberta Internal Medicine University of Calgary - Internal Internal Medicine Dalhousie University Internal Medicine Dalhousie University - International Internal Medicine The University of Western Ontario Internal Medicine University of Western Ontario Internal Medicine University of Manitoba Internal Medicine McGill University - Jewish General Hospital Internal Medicine McGill University - Montreal General Hospital Internal Medicine McGill University - Royal Victoria Hospital Internal Medicine McMaster University - CMG Applicants Only Internal Medicine McMaster Waterloo Internal Medicine Memorial University Internal Medicine University of Ottawa Internal Medicine Queen's University Internal Medicine University of Saskatchewan Internal Medicine University of Test Internal Medicine University of Toronto Internal Medicine University of Toronto Internal Medicine University of British Columbia Internal Medicine McGill University Neurology - Pediatric McGill University Obstetrics & Gynecology McGill University Ophthalmology McGill University Orthopedic Surgery McGill University Otolaryngology McGill University Plastic Surgery McGill University Psychiatry McGill University Radiation Oncology P.S. Anyone else notice the University of Test?
  3. it's a scaled test to get a good score, you have to score in the 85th % so even if you find all the questions easy, i guarantee there's 50% of people who will also find it easy. it's getting those few extra hard questions that makes the difference.
  4. someone posted this a few year's ago 87-100: 4.0 86: 3.9 83-85: 3.8 82: 3.7 81: 3.6 80: 3.5
  5. Actually, If you're smart enough to get into Harvard, you probably have what it takes to graduate from Harvard. Further, the smartest students not only go to Harvard, they decide to DROPOUT: Bill Gates (Microsoft), Matt Damon, Mark Zuckerberg (facebook), Robert Frost, Buckminster Fuller, etc To the OP: Grades aren't everything.
  6. My experience was the e-mcat tests were fairly close to my real score. Though I did use Princeton and Kaplan too. Overall, I think they all do a good job of helping you practice what an MCAT would be like.
  7. You are right Alastriss. I only read the title and posted my reply. I didn't read about the question of IP/OOP presented by the OP.
  8. Dumb Thread. All medical schools (in the world, respected medical schools) are hard to get into. Just because some schools have preferences for their own provincial students, that doesn't make the caliber of those students any less.
  9. Get to know each prof a bit more, if possible tell them you'll be planning on applying to medical school. If you're genuinely interested in their research and are competent, they won't mind taking on a student that plans to enter medical school. If they do, they're probably not the prof you want to work with.
  10. Best way to answer your question is to visit each campus and trust your gut instinct
  11. Your friend was smart enough to get into Harvard and Washington. Your friend was also smart enough to make the right choice.
  12. I've noticed quite the same questions circulating this forum over and over, so I have taken my time to write a guide to these common questions. I've so far written the guide on my site. It's better viewed there as the links work and the formatting is a bit better. I will continually update and refine it. Should I Rewrite the MCAT I will repost the information in this post. If anyone has any general advice / specific advice / success stories / scenarios they want to add to this thread, feel free. Hopefully, this can be a resource that future forum members can find useful. What is your Score? This step should be pretty self-explanatory for all test-writers. Your score should be a number ranging anywhere from 8-43 (I’ve never heard of any score <8 or similarly the other extreme >43) and a letter from J-T. A key fact about the MCAT is it is a curved test. That means that your grade is a reflection on how well you did on the test relative to other students who took the same test. The median of the test will always be 24 because AAMC sets it up this way. In other words, what really matters is your percentile score and how well you did compared to other test-takers. It’s set up this way to ensure that all the tests are standardized so even if you find one sitting of the MCAT harder than another sitting, you won’t be punished for answering less questions correct because your fellow test takers will have found it just as hard. Regarding the letter score, it is sometimes looked at by schools and sometimes totally disregarded by other schools. Most medical schools require their students to be above average. A score of 24 will not cut it for almost all schools. A standing in the 80th percentile is a solid score, but there are more factors to consider than just the percentile, which brings us to the next point. Which medical schools do you want to apply to? The next step is to see if your score is compatible with the schools you want to apply to. Make a list of which schools you will be applying to. Take into consideration factors such as location, expenses, curriculum, etc. Ideally you want to apply only to schools you would be willing to go to if accepted. Nothing is harder to explain to future admissions committees than being accepted into a medical school and declining their offer without having another acceptance in hand. It will make re-applying to medical schools that much harder. Determining the school’s statistics and cut-offs for admitted students. The next step is some basic information collection. After all, you want to know what it takes to be admitted to these schools so what better place to find out than through the previous year’s numbers. A good source would be the Medical School Admissions Requirements (MSAR) published by AAMC each year [For Americans]. This usually includes the statistics of accepted students from previous years, including the average/median GPA and MCAT for admitted applicants. You’ll soon realize that top-tiered schools usually require higher MCAT scores, an example being Washington University in St.Louis which has been notorious for admitting students just because of high MCAT scores. Another good place to look for data is on the school’s own website. Usually if you look up [school name] + [faculty of medicine] + [admissions] + [statistics] into a search engine, it’ll bring you to the right site. For example, the University of Toronto website had GPA stats for the previous 8 years. At the bottom they list that the previous year’s class of 2007 had the following MCAT scores. Minimum Median Maximum Verbal Reasoning 7 10 14 Physical Sciences 8 11 14 Biological Sciences 9 12 14 Writing Sample M Q T From this we can tell that half the class got an MCAT of better than 33Q which is quite impressive. The max/min data is a bit unclear whether it belonged to one student or whether that was the max/mim of each of the MCAT sections. My gut instinct is that there was a 42T student because if it was the latter case of individual sections, I am certain it would have been 15 for the PS and BS sections as there are students who score full marks in these sections each year. However, I am doubtful if UofT let a student with a 24M into the class, so I would assume that this would be the minimum for each section. However, whenever things are ambigious, it would be best to call the school directly to clarify. The internet is also a powerful tool you can use to gather information. I have already listed two forums with pre-med users that know a lot about the admissions process. Similarly, there is a website called MD Applicants where applicants put up their stats, which schools they applied to, were rejected from, waitlisted, or accepted to. (Warning: Take the stats you see with a grain of salt as they do not represent the average applicant pool. The whole website is self selecting as usually only people with good grades will be posting them up on the Internet) Matching Your Stats and MCAT score with the School’s Cutoffs (Include Special Conditions) The next step after you have gathered the necessary information is to see if your profile fits these schools. It’s absolutely necessary to read over the school’s website carefully as there are often many different statuses/special rules that will affect how your score will be viewed. A classic example is the case of being an Out-of-Province (OOP) applicant. For instance, all Albertan medical schools reserve the majority of their class (85%) for Albertan residents. This ensures that graduating medical students will most likely end up staying and serving the Albertan community. The other 15% of the seats is alloted for OOP applicants. This in turn creates two different applicant pools. As seen on their Applicant Guide, the University of Calgary uses a different formula for calculating these two pool’s GPA and MCAT, with OOP applicants requiring much higher stats to meet the cutoff. Similarly, The University of Western Ontario Admissions has a different status for people who are from an area classified as SWOMEN (South Western Ontario). As shown from their 2008 data cut-offs, SWOMEN applicants have a much lower MCAT minimum allowance (PS 8, VR 8, BS 8 ) than non-SWOMEN applicants, who need a (PS 9, VR 10, BS 11) in order to get an interview. The point is to make sure you get all the information from the schools about the CUT OFF Marks and to see that Your stats are above the cutoffs. Most schools do their admissions in several steps. When you submit an application into a school, they take your most quantifiable data (GPA + MCAT), run it through a computer algorith and then remove applicants below the cutoffs. You want to be above the cutoff. You shouldn’t waste your time and money on schools you know which you have no shot at because they will just toss out your application before they even review it. I have a good overall MCAT score but an UNBALANCED MCAT Score I will get into the different scenarios that most often come up. Perhaps the most common type of question I hear is the unbalanced score. This score is generally a “high” score of above 30, usually in the mid-30’s and above. However, the student performed poorly in one section of the MCAT. Most often students who are good at numbers do terribly on the verbal section and may end up with a score of 32Q (12PS, 7VR, 11BS) or a 37S (15 PS, 9VR, 13BS). Or it may be they bombed the PS section and only got a 7 on it. The verbal section is the most tricky because it is often the section that ALL schools look at. Some schools such as Queen’s and UWO have “hard” cutoffs. What I mean by hard is that if the numbers are below that “set” number, you won’t be getting an interview. Both Queens and UWO have been known to have a strict (10, 10, 10 Q) cutoff. This becomes problematic for people who have performed overall well, but lack in one area. The University of Calgary on the other hand, if you’re an OOP applicant, they will only look at three parts of your MCAT score (VR, BS + Writing). This is why it pays to do your research and information collection. You will find schools where your marks will make you competitive. Other schools such as University of Toronto and University of Alberta have “soft” cutoffs. What that means is that they will give interviews on a case-by-case basis and that you won’t be automatically sifted out if you did poorly in one section. Granted, they still have a formula that looks at your MCAT score. For instance, they may want applicants who have a total score greater than 30, with a minimum of 7 in each. This allows for people with “unbalanced” scores to apply and still have a shot. I did poorly on the Writing Section, what options do I have? This technically falls under an unbalanced score but since this is such a common occurence, I will address this question separately. The writing sections works like any other section of the MCAT. Some schools will have “hard” cutoffs for it (UWO, Queens) and others will have “soft” cutoffs. An interesting situation is that most American schools do not consider the writing section at all. So often time, if you have a high MCAT score but a poor writing section (37O) you might consider applying to state schools as your numbers will be very competitive. My MCAT score sits on the border of the CUTOFFS This is an agonizing situation to be stuck in. You may have a balanced 36 with 12’s in each section but be stuck with a P or similarly, you have a 29Q (PS 10, VR 9, BS 10, Q). In each case you are so close to the “ideal” mark you want. If you want to bump your P up to a Q, one method you can try is for them to regrade your test. There has been stories where score were bumped up enough to make it worth applying to some schools. However, there is also a chance that the score will go down when they regrade, so it’s a risk you should consider. If you’re really dieing to apply to a certain school though, by all means request for the regrade and hope for the best. The other best option you have is to call the admissions committee and ask if your score would be cut-off. Each year the cutoffs fluctuate a bit due to the competitiveness of the applicant pool changing. You might get lucky and they might drop enough for your score to be in the clear. And if it’s really too close to call, I would suggest that you apply anyways. The worst they can do is reject your application and you’ll be out a hundred bucks. However, if you do clear the cutoff and get an interview invitation, it will definitely outweigh the risk. I haven’t even written the MCAT You would think this is a problem, considering the MCAT stands for the Medical College Admission Test, but there are actually two schools in Canada that don’t require an MCAT score. The two are McMaster University and The University of Ottawa However, just because these two schools do not require an MCAT score does NOT make these schools any easier to get into. In fact, they have more applicants than other schools and their GPA cutoffs are even higher. They usually require higher quality extracurriculars and reference letters too. Should I Retake / Rewrite the MCAT? Now, it’s very common for your scores to not be up to par with medical school cutoffs. That’s reality, it sucks. The only way to get to medical school is to improve your scores and that means the dreaded rewrite. That means studying for the MCAT all over again, running through practice tests and sitting down to write the beast again. It is a lot of work. You should only rewrite the MCAT after you’ve given some thought into these next few points. 1. Is Medicine still something you want to pursue? - Taking another semester or summer to study for this test is a big commitment. Is it worth the sacrifice or is medicine just something you’re aiming for because of peer pressure or you have nothing better to do. Think about this one clearly, as this question will follow you when you write your application, into the interview, and into medical school. 2. When do you plan on Applying? - Most applications begin in the summer (USA) or fall (Canada) so finding “When You Should Write Your MCAT” is an important question to ask. Can you rewrite before the next application cycle? For instance, you may have taken the MCAT in April and received your scores at the beginning of the summer. If you decide to rewrite, you could make it in time for August’s test date and your new scores would be ready for the upcoming application cycle. If this isn’t the case, will you be willing to wait another cycle to write your MCAT and then apply? 3. How will you improve your score? - The whole point of rewriting is to better your score. What makes you think you will get a better score this time? Will you take a PREP course or will you study alone? How will you change your strategy and what will you do differently. Most students I see who retake the test just go about it the same way as they did before, read books, make notes, do practice questions. But perhaps their problem lies with their test taking abilities and not their knowledge. Before you begin to restudy, you must first evaluate what you did right the first time and what you could have done better. 4. Was this score representative of your ability? - This is the final question you should ask to see if you should rewrite. Did the score I received back reflect my true abilities. If the answer is yes, then perhaps a rewrite is not for you. You have reached your limit. However, if you believe you did poorly on test day for whatever reason, you were sick, you couldn’t sleep the night before, you didn’t take organic chemistry, and you believe you can do better, then a rewrite is for you. How Many Times should I write the MCAT? The best answer to this question is just once. However, the real answer to this question is as many times as necessary. If medicine is the field you want to go into, the MCAT is just of the hurdles you will have to overcome. The MCAT is not the end goal nor is it the biggest hurdle. Medicine requires dedication and it is not always the smartest students who can get pass the MCAT but the dedicated and persistent. The people who are willing to sit their butts down to study during the summer and the people who are willing to give it another go even after failure. Best of luck to all the pre-med, students, MCAT writers, applicants out there.
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