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  1. ^ what they said. But to answer your question, I think it's a good start to compare what other corporates are doing e.g. Save on Foods does a premium (dependent on how far the area is) on top of their base wage (~$35-37) + $0.xx/km if it's far but still driveable; otherwise, just reimburse for the plane ticket + per diem food costs which is ~$40-50/day. If you can provide something similar or better, I feel like there will be RPhs willing to take on the job.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    Strongly agree with this post, especially the bolded parts. It's unfortunate that it's probably too late for countries like Canada and the US provide dental care at a national level, like NHS in UK. Personally, I'd be okay having our salaries decreased if it means more people can have access to dental care. To my knowledge, average dentists earn £40k-£80, and specialists can earn up to £100k, which turns out to be around $70k-$135k for general dentists and ~$170k for specialists. I feel the whole profession is built on sand and it's due for some sort of a crash within the next few decades or so. It will start with the saturation and subsequently corporations leveraging the decreased patient:dentist ratio along with the perpetually increasing tuition to make dental care into a product as opposed to a service. Once that is achieved, it will see a similar fate as pharmacy. (See: Dentistry in the USA)
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    Yeah nothing too significant, just annoying how obvious of a moneygrab it is though
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    https://tst-dentistry.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2018/11/International_DMD_Program_Flier-UBC_Dentistry.pdf UBC now opening the door for international applicants to get a DMD in Canada. Cost of attendance over 100k/year.
  5. If you qualify for the adjusted academic average (i.e. if it is applicable for you to use the adjusted academic average), this means your adjusted must be greater than 85%. If you do not qualify for the adjusted academic average (i.e. if it is not applicable for you to use the adjusted academic average), then your overall academic average must be greater than 85%.
  6. https://med.nyu.edu/education/md-degree/md-affordability-financial-aid Thoughts or comments/concerns? This effectively will make NYU one of the hardest schools to get into (not that it isn't already, but moreso). Its CoA will only comprised of the living expenses (~30k/year)
  7. https://med.nyu.edu/education/md-degree/md-affordability-financial-aid Thoughts or comments/concerns? While other USA schools may follow suit, I don't believe it will be of interest for Canadian schools, given their affordability already.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    And really, I agree with your points for the most part. A lot of this has to do with politics in my opinion (immigration, accepting professionals from all countries, not just USA/Ireland/etc). To play politics, you need to involve money. The equivalency process generates millions of dollars in revenue, where they have the test 3 times a year: https://ndeb-bned.ca/en/non-accredited/fees for non-accredited school graduates https://ndeb-bned.ca/en/accredited/fees for accredited school graduates There is zero incentive for NDEB to think about limiting the seats. Perhaps adding more hurdles i.e generating more revenue through processing fees might be plausible but how would one lobby for that? It would be more feasible in terms of logistics to start a change at the provincial level, i.e. CDSBC, RCDSO, ADAC. It is one of the reasons why I refer to states like New York and Delaware where they have a mandatory 1 year residency requirement. Have the revenue generated by the resident divided for the clinic sponsoring the residency, the provincial governing body, and a stipend for the resident. The governing body gains money, the owner of the clinic gains money, the resident loses a year of income in the hopes of protecting their job outlook.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    The equivalency process is not meant to replace a 4 year education from an accredited school, that's not the point of NDEB. The NDEB serves to maintain a, "national standard of competence for dentists in Canada" (https://ndeb-bned.ca/en/about) The point of board exams in many professions is to ensure the certified individuals meet the bare minimum to practice. In dentistry's case, it is to ensure they are able to provide care at a level that does not cause harm, but more importantly, they are capable of learning how to treat. If they passed the NDEB, Canada as a nation is telling the public, this person is adequate to practice dentistry in the country.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    I would agree, as I am also from BC as well. I just don't want people thinking it won't affect other provinces given the facts from NDEB. I can't speak much for other jobs but I have family members in pharmacy and at least in BC, it is quite the doom and gloom situation as tuition has increased nearly double while wages continue to go down. Yet, jobbanks says there's a "shortage". I would think rural areas might be short on supply of pharmacists, but definitely not Vancouver or the GTA
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    UBC Entrace Stats

    http://www.dentistry.ubc.ca/dmd/contact-us/
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    Yes, different schools in different countries have varying levels of standards in regards to admission. Yes, immigrants from other countries can come to Canada to practice dentistry and be more lucrative with their chosen profession. However, those that go to countries outside of Canada or the immigrants that decide to come here to earn more money are not our enemies; they are not the ones to blame; they are part of the certified dental professionals and I would wager they came to this country to take advantage of the profitable field. That's fine, but if they don't do realize the issue that is at hand, they too will be affected. It's not about your friends you have in India that also want to take advantage of the equivalency process, or your friends that are also in Australia/Ireland/etc getting their DMD/DDS, it's about you, your income, your family, and your future. I agree, it's not easy to do anything about this and it's easier to go with the flow. However, I believe if we try to make a change at the provincial level first (not ODA or BCDA but RCDSO, CDSBC, etc) we can make an impact. Are there ways of adding requirements at the provincial level, so that you need more than a dental education, NDEB completion, and a jurisprudence exam? Like the aforementioned mandatory 1 year GPR or something of that like.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    I want to take this opportunity to share ideas and discuss this matter because whether you agree or not, this is going to affect the dental profession of Canada. I would like people to concert their efforts on what is practical to implement/change because we need to think, brainstorm, and act now. Even if we act now, changes are not going to take place until years down the line; that's just how changes occur. Our first job should be to inform and educate the dental students, dental professionals, and the patients of this rising issue as it will affect everyone (yes the patients too!). It is not just the government, it is the governing bodies i.e. CMA and/or CPSBC. A profession needs a strong governing body not only protect the patients (which arguably is their first priority), but the professionals as well. And unlike the CMA and CNA, CDA and CPhA seem to be more passive in my opinion. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2016006-eng.htm Policies or changes that may affect people from immigrating to Canada will not be feasible to accomplish. This country is highly dependant on immigration. 100% agree. I believe it is important to realize that no one cares; it is our job to sell that they need to care because it affects them too. Agreed. However, when we have more certified people through the equivalency process/international grads than how many Canada produces from its schools, and that number continues to increase, chances are, it is/will be an issue.
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    The slow decay of dentistry

    I believe attempts at closing the door of the equivalency process and/or denying graduates of US/Ireland/New Zealand/Australia is a daunting task, one that is too politically involved for us to deal with. I believe it is important for people to see that while saturation has hit the profession of dentistry and pharmacy significantly, it may not have hit the MD's to the same degree. I am not talking about specific specializations/sub-specializations; I speak of the big picture. The numbers are in the opening post for dentistry; pharmacy grads are mid-30/hour rates while tuition is expected to increase by almost 100% as the schools transition to PharmD; the combination of doubling tuition and decreasing wage is not a pretty sight. Mandatory residencies of varying duration (2 to 5+ years) are what allows MD's to prevent, or at least mitigate, the impact of saturation. Yes, it is artificial, yes it lengthens the process of becoming a practitioner, yes it reduces how long they can practice. However, I believe this is a sacrifice they make in order to protect the profession long term. I, for one, would propose a mandatory 1 year residency requirement (akin to what they have in New York State, where everyone must complete a GPR or an AEGD) and here is a rough outline. It does not have the kinks sorted out but it is a thought in process. i) Accept X number of DDS's/DMD's that are eligible (Canadian grad/completed the equivalency process/international grad) ii) Prioritize Canadian graduates (similar to how CaRMs picks CMGS first (and arguably USMDs but that's a topic for another day)) iii) Fill the remaining seats with international grads iv) Upon completing the residency, they are ready to practice It's difficult for legislature to go against the open door policy Canada has; it helps with immigration, it helps with lowering the costs for the patients, etc. What it may not help with is the quality of the dentist and the quality of care the dentist provides. While the priority should be the patients, it is hard for me to argue against the following notion: practicing dentistry to earn a living is a zero-sum game.
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    UBC Entrace Stats

    http://www.dentistry.ubc.ca/dmd/dmd-admission-procedures/ Not necessarily 50% AA and 50% PAT; that information, they wouldn't release to me when I emailed them about it.
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