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  1. Hi everyone, I have one English course left to take to meet the requirement of 2 English courses for some DS (both US and Canadian). Originally I had signed up for an online, relatively easy English course this summer, but I will also be studying for the DAT (to take this upcoming November) and I'm in grad school, which is entirely unpredictable and stressful on its own. I was wondering whether I can put off doing this course until the winter term 2016, ie. after I have already applied. I've looked into the academic requirements for schools here in Canada and some in the States, but some websites do not provide an exact date as to when to be finished the pre-reqs by. Although so far the general consensus that I am getting is that you can take the courses after you apply - provided that it is completed by the end of April of the year of entry - I just want to double-check this. If I can focus on my DAT studying this summer then that would be awesome! If not, then I'll just suck it up; not a biggie. Thanks!
  2. Thanks everyone! Really appreciate the input. The materials I used the last time I wrote the DAT were pretty much the same as SK404, minus the DAT Bootcamp. I'll give that one a try! How early on did you start preparing?
  3. Yeah times are definitely changing...I'll have to apply to the States too because of how competitive it's getting here (especially for OOP applicants). Better to be safe than sorry, like you mentioned. At least if I start studying earlier everything will be more fresh by the time I start doing hardcore reviewing and practice tests!
  4. That's very true. The first time around I spent maybe about a month and a half studying for it, but that was full-time. Did decently, though I felt like I could've covered bio and chem better. It's really a matter of predicting how much time my project and this English course will take, which is difficult since my schedule tends to be all over the place depending on my experiments >.>
  5. Hahah malkynn I wish I could pull that off! It would make life so much easier (and I could actually see the sun over the summer ). Thanks to you both for letting me know, though! I guess I need to have a bit more self-confidence in what I've retained from Nov 2013. We'll see I guess!
  6. Thanks for the replies ottawaliquid and malkynn! Quick question though: how early did you start preparing? I'm not sure if it's necessary for me to start 6 months ahead of time; maybe I should leave it to mid-end of summer to begin...
  7. Hey all, Has anyone written the DAT while they were in grad school/working full/over-time? I'm finishing up the first year of my Master's and am thinking of studying for the November DAT beginning of May. Sounds pretty early, but my program is so demanding that I think I'll really need it. I'll be taking a first-year English course May-August and then hopefully TAing starting September, so scheduling everything well and ahead of time will be a top priority. If anyone can give their input with regards to scheduling and materials they used (I already have a bunch from the first time I wrote the DAT, but will really have to prioritize this second time around), then that would be greatly appreciated!
  8. Haha thanks everyone! These posts have really helped (tip wise, and for putting a smile on my face ). I just gotta keep thinking about the end-result ( ie. dental school)!!
  9. Thanks GXTZ, and sorry for the late reply (I've been having trouble with my MacBook all this week ). I currently do see a counsellor on campus. She's not bad but I think I'm looking to see a psychologist instead so that I can change my perfectionistic thinking, haha. Ultimately I've decided to keep persevering in the program. It's not all bad; I think the negativity of my labmates sometimes just gets to me and i start assuming the worst for my project - that, and my laptop not working makes everything automatically so much more stressful lol. Time is flying and I do keep myself busy, and I try to balance everything out with seeing my friends over the weekend. I just need to set up goals and activities that I look forward to - I believe that'll help. That, and accepting the fact that I will never be caught up with paper-reading If anyone has any additional tips from their own experiences about persevering through a really tough job/lab position/etc, then those are always welcome! I need constant reminders that spending all this time and stress in the lab WILL improve my chances of getting into dental school (or so I hope!). Thanks again everyone!
  10. Thanks your input! You make some valid points and i think changing perspective would be beneficial, though I have been trying to do that. I guess it's just a matter of perseverance. Although my attitude definitely doesn't help, I do cover it up pretty well and try not to complain. If anything, my lab mates complain a LOT more than I do - probably because they're stressing about completing their Master's on time (they applied to medical school). And in the beginning I was pretty neutral about doing research in this lab, but it was actually my mentor who made me second-guess myself and start to really dislike the toxic work environment. Essentially he's on a high horse where everyone is stupider than him because he's been working in the same lab for 4 years and he's also scored in the 95th percentile on his MCAT. In other words, me being new and unknowledgeable = opportunity for him to rub it in my face how little I know. Not exactly encouraging. Bitterness aside, I actually clock in a ton of hours in the lab. I usually work 7 days a week as there is high pressure to produce data for our lab meetings. Hopefully the endless work will mean that I can actually graduate earlier/ahead of time. I'm also a people-pleaser by nature so maybe I need to stop worrying so much about what the people in my lab and my supervisor think of me, and step back a bit. I can't please everyone and I really am putting in a lot of effort into getting the experiments right.
  11. Hi everyone, I'm currently in my second semester of grad school, doing a 2-year research-based Master's in health/medical sciences (won't specify for the sake of keeping my anonymity). However, I am finding myself incredibly unsatisfied with this program and with my project, and I have been feeling this way since October. Perhaps that should've been a red flag to withdraw before it's too late, but fear of not knowing what to do otherwise and hearing that the first semester is always the hardest made me decide to stick with the program. After completing undergrad, I took a year off from school, took the DAT and applied to dental school (UofT, UWO and McGill). My DAT scores were actually quite decent for a first-time applicant (21AA, 22RC and 25PAT) and my GPA is 88.7% all four years and 90% best two years. However, I only got an interview invite from UWO and got waitlisted there, only to be unsuccessful. I decided that I didn't want to waste another year working in meaningless jobs, I wanted to move away from home and do something that would improve my chances of getting into dental school the next time I applied. Hence the research-based Master's. To be honest though, I dug my own hole because I never liked research. I did a fourth-year research project in undergrad and absolutely hated it. I love doing course work and just learning rather than working in a lab. In hindsight, I should have done a course-based Master's rather than a research-based one, but my pride and fear led me to pursuing the latter. Now I'm at a point where it would technically be too late for me to withdraw without suffering some sort of penalty - it would be indicated on my transcript that I withdrew, which could look bad when I apply for DS in the future. But I just don't know what to do. I know it's only a year and half left (hopefully), but the past 5 months have been the most miserable by far. No only do I have absolutely no interest in my project, but the lab atmosphere is also far from ideal. I get ridiculed by a lab mate who is supposed to be my mentor, and my supervisor cannot be trusted (he screwed another lab mate over because he altered a figure that she was basing her project off of). I used to suffer from anxiety and depression, recovered fairly well from it but now everything is returning. My health has been compromised and so has my sanity. I find myself having panic attacks one to two times a week. Don't get me wrong, I consider myself a very persevering and ambitious person and I have been trying to just "suck it up" because in the end, you have to what you have to do to get where you want to be. But how much is too much? ANYWAYS I apologize for the novel of a post, but I guess I'd just like to hear other people's opinions are on the matter. Has anyone been in the same situation as me? Are there any current dental students who successfully got admitted into DS even after withdrawing from a program, or know someone who did? I honestly just don't what to do, and the thought of quitting consistently re-emerges. Also, I should note that I do plan on applying American schools this June, so I have to shadow a dentist this semester. Then over the summer I'm studying for the November DAT. No doubt this will only further add to the stress and time-constraints. I really appreciate any feedback. I feel stupid and weak for even considering quitting, but I am just so emotionally and physically drained from the stress of this program that I am strongly considering it. Hope someone can provide me with insight.
  12. Hi everyone, I'm currently in my second semester of grad school, doing a 2-year research-based Master's in health/medical sciences (won't specify for the sake of keeping my anonymity). However, I am finding myself incredibly unsatisfied with this program and with my project, and I have been feeling this way since October. Perhaps that should've been a red flag to withdraw before it's too late, but fear of not knowing what to do otherwise and hearing that the first semester is always the hardest made me decide to stick with the program. After completing undergrad, I took a year off from school, took the DAT and applied to dental school (UofT, UWO and McGill). My DAT scores were actually quite decent for a first-time applicant (21AA, 22RC and 25PAT) and my GPA is 88.7% all four years and 90% best two years. However, I only got an interview invite from UWO and got waitlisted there, only to be unsuccessful. I decided that I didn't want to waste another year working in meaningless jobs, I wanted to move away from home and do something that would improve my chances of getting into dental school the next time I applied. Hence the research-based Master's. To be honest though, I dug my own hole because I never liked research. I did a fourth-year research project in undergrad and absolutely hated it. I love doing course work and just learning rather than working in a lab. In hindsight, I should have done a course-based Master's rather than a research-based one, but my pride and fear led me to pursuing the latter. Now I'm at a point where it would technically be too late for me to withdraw without suffering some sort of penalty - it would be indicated on my transcript that I withdrew, which could look bad when I apply for DS in the future. But I just don't know what to do. I know it's only a year and half left (hopefully), but the past 5 months have been the most miserable by far. No only do I have absolutely no interest in my project, but the lab atmosphere is also far from ideal. I get ridiculed by a lab mate who is supposed to be my mentor, and my supervisor cannot be trusted (he screwed another lab mate over because he altered a figure that she was basing her project off of). I used to suffer from anxiety and depression, recovered fairly well from it but now everything is returning. My health has been compromised and so has my sanity. I find myself having panic attacks one to two times a week. Don't get me wrong, I consider myself a very persevering and ambitious person and I have been trying to just "suck it up" because in the end, you have to what you have to do to get where you want to be. But how much is too much? ANYWAYS I apologize for the novel of a post, but I guess I'd just like to hear other people's opinions are on the matter. Has anyone been in the same situation as me? Are there any current dental students who successfully got admitted into DS even after withdrawing from a program, or know someone who did? I honestly just don't what to do, and the thought of quitting consistently re-emerges. Also, I should note that I do plan on applying American schools this June, so I have to shadow a dentist this semester. Then over the summer I'm studying for the November DAT. No doubt this will only further add to the stress and time-constraints. I really appreciate any feedback. I feel stupid and weak for even considering quitting, but I am just so emotionally and physically drained from the stress of this program that I am strongly considering it. Hope someone can provide me with insight.
  13. Yeah, I thought there was something wrong with that GPA calculation, too. Thanks for pointing out the method for calculating it; I was basing it off one of those OMSAS charts and it didn't seem to make very much sense lol.
  14. Thanks for the input everyone! Yeah I'm not sure how to calculate my GPA on a 4.0 grading scale...when I was referring to it, it said an 87% (or something, I don't remember now) or above was considered a 4.0, which I don't believe is correct o_o If anyone can direct me on how to properly calculate that then I would also be super grateful! The thing is that the DAT only lasts for 2 years, and like I mentioned I wrote it one year ago (ie. November 2013). If I were to apply next year for September 2016 entry then I'd have to re-write it regardless. UofT and UWO only accept DAT scores from tests that have been taken within the previous 2 years of applying.
  15. Hi everyone! This is gonna be a lenthy post, so please bear with me. I'm currently a first-year thesis-based Master's student in Pathology, but have alway wanted to get into dental school. I wrote the DAT a year ago with pretty decent grades for my first try (though I know that I can definitely do better, with more prep) so I'll have to re-write it again for my next application. I'm also an Ontario resident. Here are my stats: cGPA from undergrad = 4.0 (is this incorrect? My overall GPA% is 88.34) Top 2 years (for UWO) = 90.6% Top 3 years with 4th year included (for UofT) = 88.23% (My fourth year was the worst due to family problems) DAT Scores Science: 21 RC: 22 AA: 21 PAT: 25 As a grad student, I have two questions: 1) Has anyone written the DAT while they were in grad school? This semester I was taking two courses on top of balancing lab work, and it's been brutal. My labmates - who are applying to med school and therefore have experience in studying for the MCAT - strongly recommend that I focus on my Master's and just take a few months off after I'm done to focus on studying for the DAT, but part of me also doesn't want to take a year off from school yet again. I did this after my undergrad and the idea of moving back home a third time just makes me cringe. Living at home is toxic for me for a number of reasons, so I want to avoid that option as much as possible...but is it worth studying all that material when I'm at the lab 5-7 days a week? 2) Also, how likely would my undergrad GPA + Master's land me an interview in Canadian schools? I've already been interviewed at UWO last year, and they only factor the grad school boost AFTER the interview (I asked)...how about the other schools? I ask for UofT and McGill especially, as I'd rather stay as close to Ontario as possible. Anyone out there who's in dental school and was a grad student, your input would be greatly appreciated!
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