5th time the charm reacted to Aryanenzo in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Result: Accepted (VFMP) off the Wait-list 6/8/2020
Early or Regular Deadline: Regular
Timestamp: 3:45 PM PST
aGPA: 85.1% ~22.5 AQ
MCAT (CPBS / CARS / BBFL / PSBB): 513 (128/126/129/130)
Current Degree (UG/Bachelors/Masters/PhD): SFU Molecular Biology and Biochemistry 2015
ECs: ~34 NAQ last year. Various things: Volunteered at shelters, Big Brother, some clinical volunteering, NSERC (no pubs), helped the elderly, charities etc etc etc. My application included a lot of my hobbies as I tried to paint a picture of who I really am: I like wrenching on cars so I restored an old Japanese car. I really enjoy photography, and drawing. I also repaired computers and phones on the side. I provided evidence for all my hobbies with links (an album for example). I've had quite a few jobs as well from selling cars to manual labor. For example when the town of Fort Mcmurray burned down I lived in a camp near there for 2 months to help with the clean up.
Interview: 7 stations went okay, bombed 2 stations (I might as well have gone in there and screeched for 7 minutes). My essay wasn't great.
I can't believe I am posting this. After 4 applications of straight rejections and 4 MCATs, I finally got wait listed and accepted in the 5th application and 3rd interview. This has been...quite a long and difficult journey. You can look back on my 8 year old account and see all the times when I lost hope completely or when I was researching schools in Poland/Australia/D.O. Schools. No way in hell I expected this. I had completely given up. Last year I quit my job and practiced 250-400 hours for the interview and got below average and rejected. I had practiced with residents, med students, other applicants, professors, teachers, my parents, friends, I gave it my everything so to be rejected like that was a clear message that I am not cut out to be a doctor. I moved on completely. I decided to do a second degree in Computer Science, nothing even health care related. The past 10 years of my life were considered forfeit. I talked to an advisor at SFU about CS requirements and he told me I have everything I need for Jan 2020 intake. Two weeks later as I am applying, they changed their requirements to needing more math courses, I was no longer qualified and UBC's BCS (CS) program wasn't until next September. I was in complete despair at this point. I felt like anything I tried to do with my life, there was a massive obstacle. Like there was some divine force preventing me from progressing while everyone else moved on. It was really hard to not have these negative thoughts. It was the uncertainty around getting into CS for January at SFU that led me to decide to apply to UBC Med one more time, I wasn't planning on it. After UBC MD application was sent in, the CS department decided to ignore their own requirements and admitted me. Finally, I could move on. December comes around and I was surprised to get the interview and grateful, but really did not have the energy or time during my studies to practice like that again. I practiced 2 weeks before the interview and went in. Bombed two stations utterly and completely, and the rest were okay. Nothing as good as my last year's interview. I walked out out LSC thinking to myself this is the last time i'll walk here. A chapter in my life had ended. I just wanted to go home, I had midterms. I didn't even eat the pizza. I didn't think about medical school or the interview again and focused on my studies. In May I get an email that I got waitlisted. I was really surprised but not that excited, given results of the last 4 years, I probably wasn't very high on the list anyways. I was too jaded to be excited. Yesterday was like something out of a dream. I was writing out a strongly worded email to UPS for damaging my car's coilovers when my gmail widget popped up "UBC Undergrad Admis..". I thought it's probably a COVID 19 message or they started rejecting people earlier because the waitlist isn't moving. I opened the email and it said "Congratulations". I stared blankly at the email for 20-30 seconds. I won't go into detail what happened afterwards, you can just imagine what happened. As I trembled for the next hour, I thought to myself...they made a mistake. There's no way. How? The interview was awful. How did this happen. There's got to be a mistake. It honestly still hasn't sunk in yet.
I am not going to write that perseverance pays off. This could've easily gone the other way and I know many for whom it did not pay off. Despite all the years of applying and taking rejection after rejection and seriously starting to think there's something wrong with me, I still think I got very lucky. There are risks to pursuing this path. I always thought not having backup would make me more motivated for volunteering and doing well in school and that might have been true, but I think the only thing that changed this year was my attitude towards the whole thing ( I didn't do anything new compared to the previous year's application, just a few more hours in what I already had). I didn't have desperation in my eyes anymore, the interview was taking up my time that could've been used for my midterms. The prospects and promises of the CS degree seemed a lot more realistic vs going up against a hyper competitive application pool. I had other plans, I was pursuing something else at the same time. Something else I enjoyed, but it wasn't necessarily my dream. The outcome of this interview was no longer a zero sum game. It wasn't really as important as last year when there was so much to lose. It had become something I had to do. And perhaps that attitude is something they like. Perhaps it comes off as being more confident.
If future applicants have questions about my ECs feel free to PM me!
I look forward to meeting my classmates soon! (well with covid...maybe soon?)
5th time the charm got a reaction from Bambi in wasting the summer?
look at CME events in locations like Cape Cod, east coast, west coast and plan a vacation around these venues so it can be a business expense. You can still get a piece of summer vacation while getting CME. This is what I have done and it sure helps to make something out of the summer. I went to Cape Cod last summer for a course and I felt so rejuvenated. I would have done it again this summer and was booked for it but due to Covid my family and I are not going. Awesome news that you are almost done this post grad journey.
5th time the charm reacted to aldywood in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Thanks! A story many years in the making. I didn’t consider it a financially viable option when I was younger. I’ve wanted to make a switch for a long time but my career has worked out well with young kids. A few years ago I knew I was ready to give it a shot. I attended the UBC diversity in medicine symposium, geared to non-traditional applicants, and I was very inspired and really identified with the stories. I started self studying the science material to write the MCAT, using edx.org and khan academy. I wrote it last summer and spent at least a month going through my life experiences and writing my application. I was accepted off the wait list today to NMP (my first choice)! My family and I are incredibly excited.
5th time the charm reacted to thankful23 in 2020 Waitlist Thread
Long time lurker, thank you everyone for your contributions and dedication to this thread. Off waitlist today at 11:50AM.
Original waitlist timestamp: 7:39:25
EDIT: This was my 5th time applying, and my 4th time interviewing - needless to say, keep your heads held high and eyes on the prize. It will come! Will likely accept unless i get off U of T waitlist - will definitely keep you updated. All the best to you guys!
5th time the charm reacted to Fast_Layne in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
WOW what an interesting background! What made you want to switch from marketing to medicine??
(Also, congrats on your awesome CARS score)
5th time the charm reacted to MDme in Calgary invites/regrets/waitlist 2020
Result: Accepted off the Waitlist 4:18pm
GPA: 3.84 (calculated by UCAN)
MCAT: 508 (126 CARS)
Degree : BSc & MPH
EC: Lots of research experience, high level athlete back in the day, involved in the arts community, vice-chair of university club, volunteering with community organizations, travel, and lots of other random hobbies and things fairly typical of most applicants. Message me if you want more details.
Interview: Felt fairly good about it, though there were some stations I felt I ended way to early and should have had more to say. I have had previous experience with MMIs which helped to reduce my nerves.
Beyond excited as this is my 4th application cycle and 3rd year of being waitlisted. I figured I should post to provide some hope to others who have been at it for years and may have a GPA or MCAT on the lower side.
5th time the charm reacted to rmorelan in Western Waitlist Party 2019-2020
yeah that is stressful! If you do it is a pure leap of faith (but know that both schools are excellent).
In general the delay in Western is of benefit - if you are on the Western waitlist you want all the other waitlists to move as soon as possible as it may free up a spot for you.
5th time the charm reacted to MD_endgame in 2020 Waitlist Thread
Wanted to update everyone that I heard back yesterday around 5pm! I've sort of been in disbelief for the past 24 hours but super excited!!!
Really hoping everyone here hears some positive news soon You have all been so supportive and will all make amazing doctors one day - don't give up
5th time the charm reacted to DrOzuma in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
wGPA: somewhere between 3.93-3.94
MCAT: above cutoffs
Essays: make these bad boys as personal as possible while focusing on the clusters they have on their website
Interview: cried myself to sleep after this one, was surprised it wasn't a straight rejection. I interviewed on Feb 8th, and honestly I am not the strongest interviewer at all so I wish I just had more time to prepare. If I were to give any tips, it would be to try to add structure to your answers, but at the same time toronto really values personal examples so make sure to incorporate them when possible.
Year: graduated last year!
References: idk if itll be relevant but I am pretty sure I had some of the best references out there.
Again, surprised to be waitlisted and not rejected but either way I got into my top choice so I am a happy man!
5th time the charm reacted to Cetirizine2020 in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Long time lurker, first time poster lol! Sorry if it's a little late, just overwhelmed!
Result: Accepted VFMP
Early or Regular Deadline: Regular
Timestamp: 10:55 AM PST
AGPA: 89% (last year's score)
AQ: 28.97 (last year's score)
NAQ: 29.33 (last year's score)
EC's - Mainly volunteered throughout the school year with clubs, as well as some within the community. Lots of research. Listed a lot of hobbies as well (mainly music, scuba diving, etc). Worked in a few research labs as well as in a pharmacy.
Interview: Felt better than last year's, but was still unsure after finishing. Few stations I still cringe thinking about it lol. I liked the writing station being part of the mmi circuit rather than being after.
Year: BSc 2017
This was my 4th application cycle, and 4th interview, after being waitlisted last year. Definitely was going to be my last time applying, so glad it all worked out!
5th time the charm reacted to ShadesofCyan in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Result: Accepted VFMP
Timestamp: May 13th, 10:55 AM
Degree: BSc Honours (and an Arts Diploma from years ago)
Early or Regular Deadline: Regular (I really don't think this matters as long as you sign up for your interview right away)
EC's: Many long-term work experiences. Worked directly with clients with disabilities, worked in a doctor's office, had many other jobs as well. Honours research and 2 poster presentations. Executive Member of 2 university clubs, event first aid volunteer experiences, 2 years non-profit volunteering, 3 years hospital volunteering, also included information about my involvement in musical theatre, other hobbies and travel.
Interview: This interview felt really good overall. I did not feel like I had a bad station and I enjoyed the shorter writing station. I'm happy to provide insight on some of the strategies that worked for me.
I submitted many medical school applications over the years to schools across Canada. I wrote the MCAT multiple times. I did CASPER many times. I did 3 applications to UBC Med and had 3 interviews at UBC and an out of province interview.
UBC 2018: Regrets after interview.
UBC 2019: Waitlisted. I was dreading looking at other options but I was also getting so tired of the application process.
UBC 2020: Accepted. Third time was the charm for me! I cannot believe I have been accepted and it really did feel as good as I had dreamed it would. If you want to message me with questions please feel comfortable to reach out. Keep in mind that myself and the other people who were accepted do not know what the admissions team really wants. We can only share our experiences and give our best guesses. I really think there is some luck involved. The application process is extremely competitive and I know so many people who would have made fantastic doctors who didn't get in. If you think medicine is what you really want make sure you ask yourself why. If this process is getting to be too much and you just really want to help people there are other options in health care... nursing, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, respiratory therapy, pharmacy, physicians assistant, counselling etc. That being said I am thrilled that I didn't give up and I feel that medicine is the right fit for me.
Those in-between years can also be a really amazing and powerful time. Make sure you are filling your time with activities you enjoy and not just doing things that will look good on your application. Life is too short for that. I had jobs I loved and that gave me new insights into myself and others. I also had time to travel and for my hobbies and friends. I don't regret that it took me a few tries to get into medical school because now I am so ready to take on this journey. I am honoured to be a part of the Class of 2024!
5th time the charm reacted to bruh in 2020 Waitlist Thread
Hey everyone. I just wanted to say that I have been in your position and I vividly remember the excruciating pain I went through the summer of 2018 being on Ottawa’s good waitlist. With it being the only waitlist I was on (I got rejected from UofC post interview) I felt the pressure. After all this hard work you have put in, you really need it to work out this time. Thinking of all the work you have to put in all over again this year if you’re not accepted is a daunting thought.
I actually never made it off of Ottawa’s good waitlist (wGPA: 3.92). It seemed that they went through the waitlist until 3.93 that year and nearly reached my timestamp (off by 00:00:12) but it wasn’t enough. That shit hurt man. To add to the pain, I never got an interview again from Ottawa in the following years. In fact in 2019 I didn’t get any interviews from any med school. I thought that I had lost my only chance of getting in. Nonetheless, in 2020 I got invited and accepted to UofT.
So, I’m here to tell you to be hopeful but also realistic and strong. Yes, there is a chance you will make it off the waitlist but beware of putting too much faith in the good waitlist. Plan this summer and fall properly and prepare yourself in the event that you never get off the waitlist. Bad waitlist is a polite rejection. Not a single person has gotten off the bad waitlist in recent years, so it would have to be a miracle for it to happen.
The timestamp theory does have some merit to it. I was very involved in tracking it and once the waitlist offers came out in 2018 we saw that it corresponded to timestamps based on the GPA, except some outliers. One thing I will mention is that some people calculate their wGPA wrong and it could be the reason for those outliers.
Either way, stay strong, hopeful and realistic regardless of what happens. You’re going to be a doctor one day, don’t lose hope.
5th time the charm reacted to TheFlyGuy in Accepted/Rejected/Waitlisted??? (for current applicants)
Result: Accepted (Mississauga) @ 9:30am
GPA: 3.86 (or 3.94 if EE went through to give me wGPA)
MCAT: 517 (127/128/131/131)
Degree: PhD complete
E.C: Mainly research focused (10+ publications, 5 first-author, mentorship, TA-ing etc), but some other typical premed experiences too, including some decent clinical exposure.
Essays: Probably took a few weeks to a month. Got input from others which is always helpful, but I agree with what people say in terms of making them genuine & personal, gotta tie in examples you can really connect to to make it happen.
Interview: In-person. Felt pretty ok about it, though some parts were much better than others; was really hard to gauge how interviewers felt @ U of T imo. Nothing too off the wall though.
Will likely be accepting because Toronto's always been the dream, but wanna give other schools a fair look as well before committing. Good luck to the waitlist gang getting off, and even to those rejected; this was my fourth cycle and the first time I received any interviews, so if it's the dream don't throw in the towel. There's a ton of luck (even without a lottery involved) and sometimes it just takes perseverance more than anything.
Looking forward to (likely) meeting the UofT crowd in the fall!
5th time the charm reacted to LostLamb in The process is taking it's toll...
I have never gotten around to writing my “story” but if you read my very old posts you will probably piece it together.
I am in my last six months of residency (as a subspecialist) of my life and am thrilled that I stuck things out for 5 (non consecutive) application cycles. I am going to do with my life what I literally have always wanted to do—provide medical and psychiatric care for people with developmental disabilities and mental health across the lifespan—I just didn’t know it was a thing when I was very young. I just knew by having and living with a sibling with significant special needs that it was something missing for that vulnerable part of society...and their families.
Truly, to tolerate the uncertainty of a future career in medicine you need to continue with your life, alternate plans, and put the noise of naysayers out of your mind.
many people, family included, spoke directly or behind my back about “why doesn’t she give up?”. Since working toward this goal was not costing them or affecting them in any way, I couldn’t figure out what business they had to speak this way....and ignoring that chatter was very healthy for me but also gave me pause to regularly reflect on whether or not this was what I truly wanted. I am fortunate that both my parents understood and fully supported my goal. You need someone in your wheelhouse—and maybe it’s just us on the forum, but that’s something and may be all you need.
Many meander through life unsure of what they want, what the point is, and very unhappy. Having dreams and goals help immensely, but they must also be tempered with a dose of reality. Sometimes you just can’t afford another MCAT or degree, Or your family or medical situation dictates that you need to work or take time off, and this you’ll press pause on this goal.
The key is that you do not define yourself and your success by a singular outcome, and that you continue to seek growth and build mastery and obtain fulfillment whatever the situation you’re in. And at some point you’ll get into medicine, or you won’t and you’ll find another way of living meaningfully and contently.
All the best to all of you, I get how you feel and I have much confidence you’ll all “make it” somehow—whatever that ends up meaning!
LL (the shrink who almost became a high school teacher)