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  1. The equivalency process is very very difficult. Only something like 1 in 5 who begin the equivalency process end with a license to practice. It takes on average 3-4 years. That’s 3-4 years of lost income and stress. Even after licensure, the hardship is not over. A lot of practices specifically do not hire Internationally Trained Dentists (dentists trained outside of Canada, US, Aus, NZ and Ireland). So even getting a job is not guaranteed.
  2. Do you know anyone outside the city taking home near that?
  3. Saw someone post this about dentistry in Brazil: In Brazil, they deregulated dental education and allowed as many private schools to pop up as they wanted to. All in the name of "access to care", "removing the barriers" and "social justice" of course. Now they proudly have about 245,000 dentists, or 15% of all the dental manpower in the world. As a result, there are more stray dogs roaming the streets in certain areas than dentists and this is not a job that is well regarded and pays well anymore. I, for one, came across a few Brazilian dentist desperados happy to work as lab technicians or assistants in Australia just to be able to buy themselves more time and get their foot in the door over here. All were as poor as church mice, I even rented my house to a couple of them. So much for "social justice". Canada will be next?
  4. You think this is good? All government programs have fees lower than the provincial fee guide. Some government programs (in Ontario) have fees where you get less than $40 for an extraction. The Assistant is $20/hr and the receptionist is $20/hr. So if you take 1hr to extract a tooth then you did it for free. Whats more worrying is that companies or employees may elect to waive dental insurance plans from their contracts thinking “meh we have government insurance”
  5. Have you looked at buying practices outside of Toronto? They are generally just as expensive. The “Toronto type” valuation of practices has spread to most of Canada.
  6. The reason practice ownership is next to impossible now is not because of the expansion of dental corps. But because of the increased dentist:population aided by the influx of ITDs. ITDs do not carry anywhere near the debt that Canadian/US/Aus/NZ grads do. This gives them more financial leverage in the eyes of the banks. Most ITDs, on average, seem to be more interested in owning (particularly multipractice ownership) than the average Canadian/US/Aus/NZ grad. Maybe because they’re typically older and have owned a practice in their home country? But the fact that they only have maybe 30-40k debt vs 250-500k debt that the Canadian/US/Aus/NZ grads have is a very understated advantage. No disrespect towards our ITD colleagues, their equivalency exams are tougher than the regular NDEB exams but they do have less liabilities in the eyes of the bank. I don’t understand the desire for Canadian/US to remain practicing in Canada under these current conditions. You make more as a dentist in the US period.
  7. We’ve had reciprocal agreements with the US many decades and decades before Corporate dentistry was a thing, heck probably even before specialities in dentistry or hygenists existed.
  8. Why was this decision made to put a nail in the coffin of Canadian dentistry? It’s perplexing- no other primary care profession allows graduates from non-accredited schools to practice their craft without at least some training in Canada. Not medicine, not pharmacy, not vets, not optometry, not chiropractors, not physiotherapists, not lawyers. A slap in the face is that none of this reciprocal, unlike the US or Australia where Canadians can practice there.
  9. Graduates of accredited degree programs and US+Aus+NZ+Ireland dentists. I don’t think the increase in the latter catageory is an issue because a good portion of those dentists take the NDEB as a backup. A large portion do just stay in the US. Source: https://ndeb-bned.ca/en/dental-programs/historical-pass-rates
  10. Internationally trained dentists certified almost equal Canadian graduates in 2018 491 Canadian graduates 320 Internationally trained dentists The number of new dentists has nearly doubled in 8 years Total certified in 2010: 664 Total certified in 2018: 1143 Dentistry in Canada will change immensely. Migration to the US seems like a more viable option each year.
  11. You are referring to the NDEB written exam like I am? Not the AFK or anything of that sort?
  12. Hi, I am writing the exam in March and was wondering how much non-dental material i.e biochemistry, head &neck anatomy, general pathology there is going to be in the exam. I looked at the contents on their website and there is certainly some of those non-dental topics listed in Booklet 1. Basically I am asking how much of NBDE part 1 material (from the US boards) I'll have to study? Examples of material include part 1 of decks, part 1 first aid and part 1 Mosby's.
  13. Correct me if I'm wrong but the NDEB and OSCE candidate numbers also include the international dentists from non-accredited schools that went through the NDEB equivalency process. Because on their site, it does indicate that the final step of the equivalency process includes the OSCE exam: http://www.ndeb.ca/nonaccredited Funny how the numbers really skyrocketed after 2011 (the year when foreign dentists were allowed to challenge for the boards).
  14. You are incorrect I am afraid. The numbers on the link I have provided are those who gained certification through a pathway specifically for dentists who graduated from a non-accredited program. It's not logical to assume that after spending a significant amount of money applying for these exams and passing them that a good number would not practice in Canada. The numbers you are talking about are completely different because graduates from Australia are considered graduates of an accredited program so they would NOT take the same pathway as other international dentists. Australian graduates would take the same pathway through the written exam and OSCE which is the same as domestic Canadian graduates. This is a MUCH cheaper exam and also pass rate is +90%. The threat of oversaturation is not comming from graduates of American or Australian schools IMHO because line of credit limitations mean only those whose parents chip in a lot can now attend these institutions.
  15. http://www.ndeb.ca/nonaccredited/past-assessment-results So there seems to be an influx of dentists via this equivalency process equaling the graduating class sizes of UBC+UofT+UWO+UofA+USask every year. Basically 5/8 dental schools in Canada.
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