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  1. In US, academic centers can sponsor H1Bs or O-visa and you can maintain that status until you get green card (which depends on which country you were born in or your marriage status, if born in Canada, it wont take long, just ~ 2 years). To be honest, from what I heard/seen (so take this as a VERY small grain of salt), even academic orthopaedic surgeons make A LOT of money relative to Canadian surgeons especially if you do spinal surgery/fellowship. Not to mention, much better location (this cannot be stressed enough), more OR time and better employment opportunities. Definitely worth doing the USMLEs and move. To add, if you are a new med student and want to become a surgeon, DO THE USMLES!! DO NOT HESITATE. Also, some surgical speciality residencies are NOT interchangeable in US and Canada (e.g. neurosurgery), so consider US residencies as well.
  2. Made a few corrections there... Generally speaking I like Ontario's system of a school for each type of candidate. The high *CARS* in MCATs used to go to Western, High GPAs to Ottawa, High verbal/CASPer to Mac and the *Mysterious holistic* school is Queens and Very high GPA is *Toronto*. Each school has its own criteria but none really looked at the whole package of GPA, MCAT and ECs as a whole, unless US MD schools.
  3. Umm, the list doesn't look so bad, some Mass Gen, BWH. UCSF, Yale on the list. Def better than top Carribean schools. Does McGill really have A LOT of American students or are the medical students there like to apply to US residencies in general?
  4. I think applying to US residencies as CDN Med students are not as easy as we think. First, CaRMs come first, so you automatically get removed from the US match and for most people, they had to take a fairly big risk to rank US programs ONLY. Also, US residency programs value prestige and USMLE scores, so unless you come from a big name med school and totally own the USMLE (which is difficult to study for in CDN schools since they dont teach the material. But honestly, they should and faculty should encourage students to take USMLEs..), your chance IMO are low. We tend to think our med schools are some of the best in the world, but US PDs have a huge bias towards US applicants and they want to see heavy research. Someone should protest to make CaRMs match after NRMP though...
  5. Are people on these forums generally more pessimistic or is dentistry really going downhill from here? Cause you can never trust everything on the internet... I always thought dentists make at least 300K+ Mid career after overhead and is generally a fantastic career despite high tuition fees...
  6. If your passion is medicine, I would also apply broadly to US MD and DO schools. Your chances are way better since you are American, and if you want to come back to Canada to practice, you can still apply to first iteration without significant disadvantages and US residencies without any restrictions (which broaden your choices!! Very important if you want a competitive specialty). If you exclusively want to apply to CDN schools (which I really do not recommend given your background), I would move to Alberta or Saskatchewan... definitely not metro Toronto.
  7. Completely agree, getting US citizenship/green card is a huge hurdle. But let's not forget that there are way more doors that can open for you if you match to a US residency program. More desirable locations to practice, opportunities in industry (pharma, banking, consulting....) not to mention you can still come back to Canada to practice. Either way it is a risk you have to take, the US residency program or stuck in a poor location and staying there for the rest of your life.
  8. If I was a patient that received a cancer diagnosis from a screen, I would sue the hospital.
  9. Right because in Canada, no residents work 100+ hour a week, get verbally abused or get subpar training... Let’s not just assume that the programs that the US students SOAPed or later matched are that malignant. Undesirable for unmatched Canadian student can mean tons of debt, no residency at all or be stuck in the middle of nowhere doing FM residency with ROS (and I can guarantee you that the variety of cases in those places are not as good as an urban centre). Even if US shuns you if you got a poor USMLE score, it is still much more IMG friendly. Just ask any IMG
  10. This is NOT so bad at all! Many of the people SOAPed or later matched into competitive specialities (interventional radiology, radiology, EM, gen surg, anaesthesia, OB/GYN). Plus we do not know the circumstances of these students (might be IMGs/Carribean students, aiming for ortho, poor board scores, DO student???). Literally only one person got SOAPed to FM. In Canada, if a school got the SOAP match result shown on **DELETED**, it would be incredible! In Mexico, it does not take 8 years of education just to land a residency, and let's be honest, they do not have the best healthcare system, we should not compare ourselves to them. Consider the fact that we have similar med education system as the US and the fact that it is so competitive to get into med school, QUALIFIED students should expect to at least match!
  11. On a somewhat related note, anyone regret their decision to pursue medicine vs other fields? The match is so competitive and brutal, the job market is poor, might have to live in the middle of nowhere, long training and work hours and to top it all, the government is always trying to screw us with cuts.... I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
  12. Tell that to all the software engineer guys who gets a high paying job super easily
  13. Tech is nothing like medicine, especially since the Canadian medical system is regulated by the government. The argument is that since the taxpayers fund pretty much all the training and services, they should benefit Canadians by giving CMG jobs. Only if the system was completely privatised by a corporation would it be like tech where if you got a degree from Asia, you can practice here with no problems.
  14. All those solutions sound good short term, but have you seen the wait times for patients for elective orthopaedic surgery and MRI scans? Decreasing med student enrolment is not a permanent solution! We should increase residency spots and more importantly, increase healthcare infrastructure to help physicians get jobs. Taking medicine off immigration skilled job panel also sounds like we are preventing talent from other countries. With our current system, innovation is already stifled, we need to get TALENTED (not mediocre) physicians from abroad. We should never compare Canadian match system with the US, and the Canadian matching system is definitely at least a cause for concern. In the US, people gun for specialities, in Canada, there is a much higher focus on family medicine. US MD graduate would rather go unmatched than match into a less competitive field. I have not heard a USMD graduate who was competent, passed their boards and failed to match into family medicine. In Canada, this is not the case unfortunately. On top of that, USMDs want desirable locations, while Canadians basically get what they can get even if its ROS in an area where you have to drive an hour to get food. Don't forget, US have WAYY more residency spots compared to graduates, the match numbers never tell the whole story.
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