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  1. I'm sorry about your situation. As of right now, I have not encountered a program that is more understanding.
  2. Programs will take either NBDE Part 1 or INBDE. If you don't have either, most programs will not let you apply. Some programs have gone as far as saying that they understand that COVID has resulted in the inability for those to take either exam, but will not waive the requirement.
  3. It all depends on getting the ok from main campus! So yes, we shall see!
  4. Grad clinics return in July. 50 percent occupancy for undergrad clinics in August probably for the rest of the school year with four handed dentistry at all times so aerosol production is minimized. They had debated allowing undergrads return in July but said we could take it off so we can return in August. Without needing N95s, the school is no longer short on PPE as regular surgical masks will be provided per usual. Students will begin with treatment that is already in progress in August (inserts, try ins, emergencies, urgent tx) with minimal aerosol production, followed by the ability in September to start new treatment.
  5. At UofT, the return to patient care is August 4.
  6. I studied for 3 weeks and found that to be sufficient. I wrote it in the summer between my second and third year (August 2019). There were many resources available compared to the INBDE, so I decided to write Part 1. If you decide to write Part 1, you will have to write Part 2 sometime in 2022 at the latest, so be sure to factor that into your plans. I found that my school covered most topics but I did have to do some self studying myself. Generally similar topics get repeated on the exam so having many resources was helpful. PM me if you have any other questions!
  7. Great questions here's a few more things I can add to my previous post about U of T now that I'm in second year: Curriculum: Some courses try their best to update what they teach to match what is out there in the real world. In endo, we get to try out WaveOne Gold. In prostho, the second year course has been updated to include more about implants and partial dentures that exceed some of what the current fourth years have learned. I had the chance to have dinner with the course directors of prostho and they are very open to changes in the course. They appreciate any feedback, including negative feedback and try to find ways to make sure that students have a better grasp of the course before going into clinic. Resto is still a bit outdated but it is good that we learn some aesthetic dentistry (veneers) and we get to try out the CAD/CAM crown milling machine. Perio, while it is didactic, is quite updated in terms of surgical procedures and even the classification scheme for periodontal disease. Most course directors are open to changes in their courses and I am working with other students to update and improve the curriculum (e.g. trying to implement more restorative in first year). It is also possible to move exam/test days around so that it can be more manageable - profs are often open to changes ahead of time. Student Environment: There's a place for everyone. A large class means you will be able to find people to connect with. Students are generally happy at the school and the school is working on ways to improve student experience. Mental health talks, free coffee/snacks on Wednesdays, and many opportunities to get involved are just some of the things that students have responded positively to. Staff Quality: Generally good. Yes, there are some staff who the students may not have the best time with but with the way the courses are structured - demos/hygienists rotate every so often so it evens out. Non-dentist/hygienist staff are generally nice but sometimes can give you a bit of an attitude. There are various ways for you to let the course director or student leadership know about this and changes may be able to be made. Faculty are generally happy to meet with you (sometimes they have an open door policy) and many feel invested in your education. If you want to shadow the grad clinics, it is not a problem at all. Involvement Opportunities: There are a lot of opportunities - often it's easy to lose track of them. Many leadership opportunities, many intramural teams, and many volunteering/fundraising opportunities, etc. If you find that you want to start an organization, that is possible too. A few of my classmates started a Women in Dentistry group and they have been doing quite well so far! There are plenty of opportunities to do research as well - U of T is big on academia. Etc.: Western and Toronto have their own pros and cons. Dental school is tough for most students so a big factor to consider is living/attending somewhere that you feel will make you happiest. U of T is not a perfect program and like many Canadian schools - is not the strongest clinically - but it is in a city that has something for everyone. I did my undergrad at Western and enjoyed my time in London, but Toronto is a very different experience. The question is if you prefer this type of experience over living in London.
  8. Agree with @cleanup and I have the same setup with 3.5x ExamVisions and Lumadent lights/batteries (Best Value Package). There is a $100 group discount (10 students) for ExamVision, so find friends who want ExamVision in your class (when you are a month or two into operative/restorative) so everyone can benefit from the group discount.
  9. Based on what people close to me have said about their graduating classes, new grads have been averaging around 120k in the GTA (but I personally know someone doing more than double this, albeit on more days of the week) but many who work outside of the GTA earn 150-175k+ on average. I would say the sample size is quite decently large that it does reflect an adequate picture. Those who have a busier schedule after a year or two in can earn closer to 175-225k assuming they are not seeing too many HSO/ODSP/OW patients. In the GTA, some offices waive co-pays and/or have associates see quite a few ODSP/OW patients so this will bring the average down. If you can find a position where you are busy and you are reimbursed at or near the fee guide 95%+ of the time, you can definitely hit 200k as an associate. Owning is a different story. Owning allows you to have a hygiene program which increases your revenue and your take home. Additionally, if you run an efficient office, your overhead will decide how much you can take home (but generally many people just take out enough from their corp and reinvest into the office and/or divert their earnings into other streams). You also can decide to keep more procedures in house and/or bring a specialist in which allows you to make a cut as well so the income generally for owners is going to be a significant bump compared to associates. I personally know some of the posters on this forum who are practicing and they have decided to earn the amount they earn as a result of choice. They are happy with their situations as longer term associates. People who I know who are owners are also happy with their situation (financially as well) but know that they have more stress than their associate colleagues. In dentistry, it's up to you as to how much you want to make and it's based on location, clinical speed, procedures you want to do, hygiene program, procedures kept in house, number of active patients, etc. There are no real averages and the sky is the limit. Hope this helps!
  10. When the application is released in the fall, you will be able to see how they categorize different extracurricular sections! In my year, it was an online application so I would recommend creating a Microsoft Word or Excel file that organizes each extracurricular entry and personal statement question.
  11. Shadowing would be key - not just for the application but also come interview time. I found that people in the year I applied had strong grades but did not get an interview because of their personal statement and extracurriculars. Research would be nice but overall if you could have entries for each aspect of the extracurricular section in the application, that would be ideal. Even work experience is important. Every little bit helps.
  12. You should be competitive for an interview as long as your DAT sections are 20+! Feel free to PM for more specific questions.
  13. I'm a 2021 student - it would be hard for me to know most of the 2018 class. It is good that your cohort has a survey! It's definitely not going to be a home run, that first (or even first few associateships). It takes a lot of trial and error. Just wanted to thank you for your contributions on the forum! Lots to learn from you and others for sure.
  14. No. However I hope that this question was not asked out of sarcasm. For sure. I believe that if you go into healthcare, one must understand that quality opportunities will not always be available in desirable locations. Not trying to refute anything that anyone has said here but I want to provide what I heard through the grapevine.
  15. Can confirm the aforementioned associateships are quality ones. Even the ones who are stringing part time positions in the GTA are quite happy with their lives.
  16. Every new graduate from my school I know has lined up a job before or right after graduation. Some full time. Golden Horseshoe region. YMMV
  17. Good news: My friend who is declining U of T dents for meds has not declined U of T dents but will soon. So expect 1 more spot to open up! Hang in there everyone!
  18. I have a friend who will be declining U of T dents for meds!
  19. @powerpenguin will probably have some things to say
  20. I'll speak about U of T and include some things that many people do not consider when they begin their dental education: Pros: - Extremely progressive curriculum. We used to never learn implants in prosthodontics in second year but since these past 2 years, implants are a part of second year. Gone are microbiology and other lab sessions that proved to not be useful and now we get to do a lot more clinical assisting (i.e. real patients) in first year through our Comprehensive Care Program (CCP). - Smoother transition from undergrad to dental school in first year. First year has had many modifications in order for students to feel acquainted with the workload of dental school. The exam schedule is less stressful than the way Western has their exam schedule. - Longer first year summer. First year students have 4 months of summer at U of T, while Western students don't get off until June. You can use this time to do research, shadow, travel, work, etc. This is also the very last 4 month summer of your life, so make good use of it! - Strong patient pool. Toronto and GTA's catchment is larger than London and surrounding regions. - Scholarship. Unsure of how much Western pays (I understand there are bursaries and Schulich scholarships), but U of T automatically gives us a $2,000 scholarship for being in this professional program. - Easy to find shadowing opportunities in surrounding private practices and specialty clinics at the school. Faculty and residents encourage you to shadow and some have a preference for U of T students. - Hospital rotations. You will have the opportunity to rotate through some hospitals including: Mt. Sinai, Sick Kids, Sunnybrook, and CAMH. Each hospital has different types of patients to observe and treat. - Research opportunities are very plentiful. U of T prides itself in being a didactic institution so research opportunities are always available. - No class rank. We have GPA and that is it. If you're unsure of a specialty or not... do not worry that class rank will dictate your fate. Just keep your GPA at a decent level and do not worry about comparing to others like you would at Western with class rank. - Very few schools (I was told none in Canada) allow you to have such major input to changes at the Faculty like Toronto does. I sit on student leadership that gets the chance to speak to Faculty about issues once per 1-2 months. And some have open door policies so we can always go in and speak with them. I was told this is not the case in many other schools. - And then your typical pros like networking opportunities are more plentiful, Toronto is a bigger city and has more attractions/restaurants/places to visit and shop at, and etc. Cons: - Bigger class size. This isn't really a con IMO because you have a higher chance of finding people you click well with. So you can look at it either as a pro or a con. - Rent is more expensive because you are in the city. - Older facilities but they are being renovated as we speak (the cafeteria, lounge, and grad labs are all renovated). The library and auditorium will be renovated soon then the clinics. - You may not be able to get to do the molar endo like you may at UWO but you still may be able to... it would be the luck of the draw. - It would be nice to have a bigger emphasis on wellness. We are working on this and we hope wellness will play a much larger part of the Faculty in the future. EDIT: Both schools have their pros and cons. @Zaandrei. is a very good person to talk to about UWO. He's very involved at Schulich and has done research (through the summer research program) and presented at conferences.
  21. Also, Alberta is very strict with sterilization practices compared to other provinces. This results in higher expenses.
  22. I'm going to share a story about one of my buddies in the first year class at U of T. This person applied 3 times and was waitlisted the first two times (and never got off the waitlist as the waitlist # was well beyond #30). The third time, this person applied again (same DAT/GPA as previous years) and improved on their personality test (after realizing that this played an important part of the overall file score) and got in directly. The point I am trying to make is that the difference between waitlist and straight offer is just improving one aspect of the interview process. To all who have received interviews and are on the waitlist, please do not feel the need to re-write your DAT (unless it is expiring) or improve your GPA unless you are a 3rd year student. Really spend the year trying to improve your interview skills and apply to a broader selection of schools. You are so very close and do not feel discouraged if you do not get off the waitlist. It is such a competitive process that the smallest of margins makes a bigger difference than one would expect. And of course there is lots of luck involved so do not be too hard on yourself. If anyone needs help planning for next cycle, I'm all ears and a PM away.
  23. @cleanup is correct. You can receive both certifications on the Saturday of the first week of school! Most of our class went to the single day course that day and it was held at school in the auditorium. Please note this is for ODA members so you would have needed to pay for your membership by then.
  24. Congratulations to everyone accepted - one of the users here also received good news last year and was so ecstatic to the point of being "very sweaty" (you know who you are) . It's a surreal feeling that you will never forget! Welcome to the wonderful profession of dentistry. I have a few buddies waitlisted and I know it sucks. You are honestly so close and at the interview stage, there is a bit of luck involved. Some of the advice I gave my friends included: 1) taking the day off to chill (feel unhappy/sad and get it out of your system, you need some time to unwind a bit), 2) expect nothing and hope for the best (if the waitlist gets to you awesome but don't expect it to... treat it as a pleasant surprise), and 3) have plans for next cycle (will you continue your job? do more volunteering and shadowing? travel, etc.?). You likely did your best in the interview so it may have been the slimmest of margins in terms of being accepted versus waitlisted. Don't be too tough on yourself. If you have gotten to the interview stage, it means on paper you are qualified to be a dental student. If this was not your year, it will be your year very soon... just brush up on those interview skills and you will receive an offer eventually! Best of luck to fellow waitlisters and to those rejected, keep working on that application and keep trying - you will eventually get there.
  25. I also wanted to add a few more insights that are a bit more personal but maybe also helpful: Even though I generally really enjoy what I do, I sometimes overthink and overanalyze if I'm truly happy where I currently am. I remember a friend (currently at an Ivy League for dent) who said I was stupid for not applying to Ivy League schools just because it was a lot more expensive. But I remember that by going to U of T, I'm saving a lot more money, I get to spend 4 more years with my family, and can build a good network in and outside of the GTA. So maybe grass is not greener. Sometimes I also wonder how life would be if I went to medical school because I worry that I might get "bored" working in the same office every day with the same staff and doing similar procedures every day on the same area of the body. But then I remember that general dentistry has much more variety of work than many other healthcare professions which often are very specialized and that I would work fewer days in dentistry and spend other days pursuing other interests because financially I am going to be stable as a dentist. So all in all, I am not happy-go-lucky every day about dentistry but I think dentistry is one of those very customizable careers where you can practice in many different ways and do the procedures you want. And I recognize that dentistry is a job. Jobs can get boring and undesirable at times but that's why you get paid for doing them. And dentistry happens to be one of the more tolerable fields for sure. I have had a classmate withdraw from the program (he had been in an established career before dental school) so make sure you figure out if this field is right for you. It is a very expensive decision to make and the earlier you know it is not right for you, the better. Also, mental health is a real issue in dental school. The levels of stress in first year can get very high. Anyways I am rambling by now but I just wanted to present a more honest side of being a dental student. If anyone is unsure of dentistry, feel free to PM!
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