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  1. I've heard from current 3rd year (going to 4th year) Western students that they may be put into the sim clinic until January. I know it can't be helped, but it totally sucks for them. The situation for 1st and 2nd year students probably won't be affected much, except that won't be able to shadow/assist in the clinic until January
  2. Thanks so much for doing this! So important to get through these tough times together. Wishing you all the best. Too bad admissions look at flaunted achievements rather than those acts of goodness that some people do discretely. You will one day make an amazing clinician (if that's the path you choose). PM me if I could be any resource at all to you or anyone else. All the best
  3. To add on to what Zaandrei said, and I think I've mentioned my perspective on this in a different thread, but LOC should honestly be the least of your worries. The interest on your LOC is actually comparable to some mortgage rates, and you see people take out sizable mortgages of upwards of 700k these days in Toronto and often they're making nowhere near a dentist's salary. It's all about your priorities and how you choose to budget your income after you graduate. You often see people post about how long it is gonna take them to pay off their debt and making statements like "for 10 years you'll be living off a nurse's salary because of your LOC payments, etc." I honestly could not agree less with this perspective. If you choose to rigorously pay off your debt, it's because YOU'VE prioritized paying off your debt over other things you could have chosen to spend your money on. Let's say for the sake of argument you're paying 15k interest on your debt per year and you choose to never pay down the principal (not something I advise, but for the sake of argument). Meanwhile however, you're putting your extra money into CE, a home or practice purchase, other investments, you name it. You may see the return on your investment is much greater than the 15k your throwing at the bank. No one's situation or priorities are equal however, you may be the type of person who hates debt and wants to retire at 40, so you decide to live frugally and pay off your debt in a few years and focus on retirement savings. You may one day own 15 clinics and look back at your 300k debt as trivial. Heck, I know a dentist who spent another 100k after dental school on an MBA and I know he isn't hurting at all for money. Obviously living financially responsibly is a skill you want to maintain through dental school and the rest of your life, but in my opinion, if dentistry is what you're choosing to do, commit yourself fully to it and don't give the debt a second thought.
  4. Classmate of mine actually left dentistry for med after 1st year, so they must really not care...
  5. I'm (hopefully) graduating from UWO this year and I can only speak for our curriculum: 100 operative surfaces 5 endos (1 upper molar, 1 lower molar, 1 upper premolar, 1 lower premolar, 1 anterior tooth) 5 removable prosth arches (3 complete dentures, 1 cast partial, 1 transitional partial) - this one is very variable 4 units of fixed prosth (i.e. crowns - bridges count but not everyone gets a bridge case) 4 cases of periodontal disease (treatment planning, scaling, re-assessment) 4 pediatric treatments (stainless steel crowns, extractions, fillings) Other softer requirements like nightguards, denture repairs, etc. No strict oral surgery requirements but I feel like everyone gets a decent share of simple and surgical extractions, some people have done frenectomies, alveoplasty, biopsies, etc. Overall, students are not happy about the amount of clinical exposure they get, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most people feel decently prepared to go out and practice. We may not be as fast or efficient as we could be, but we were taught well how to treatment plan and what is or isn't clinically acceptable. That is the most important thing, and speed and efficiency will come with time.
  6. Currently looking for associateship position and this thread was a very depressing read LOL. Quick comment about finances: people constantly give examples of "your income will be ___ if you try to pay off your debt in 10 years, which is basically the income of a teacher/nurse/etc." Is this perspective actually accurate? Excluding OSAP, there is absolutely no pressure to pay off your debt - the bank LOC does not convert into a loan, and all you're forced to pay is the monthly interest (which for me is currently about 750 dollars a month on a 230k debt). In fact, very few other careers offer (potentially) lifelong access to a 350k LOC - of course this should be handled extremely responsibly but its still a beneficial thing to have. Others have also not considered the small (but still relevant) effect that tuition credits will have on helping you make a bit of a dent in your loans early out of school. Dentistry is an opportunity to make a higher income and it's honestly up to the individual to decide what they'd like to do with their earnings. A fixed 80k/year salary is not the same as a 150k salary where you can choose to pay off your debt (or not). It's like being offered an 800k mortgage by a bank - it's a blessing to have this option, though you may choose to rent instead. Not everyone is presented with this option or this choice. From how I look at it, dentistry is not a golden ticket with a guaranteed 6-figure salary and comfortable lifestyle. Nothing in life gives that kind of guarantee. And personally, I don't feel entitled because I'm a graduating dentist - I don't deserve a specific income and lifestyle. I am fortunate to have grown up in a country which has offered me the opportunity to become a dentist and a line of work which is rewarding and challenging. I am also fortunate that I have the option to do any and all of the things which were mentioned in this thread - I could move to the US, work up north or in Alberta or Saskatchewan, go abroad and help people, own 20 clinics or none, work 3 days a week or 7, I can make make bad or good financial decisions. I have OPTIONS - it's up to me what I do with them. I grew up in a poor immigrant family and I don't think people realize that having these options and opportunities is a blessing in and of itself. People are speaking about working at McDonalds... you have the opportunity to choose between being a Dentist and a McDonald employee, I would hazard to guess that a lot of McDonald employees do not have a similar choice. I realize that I speaking from a place of doey-eyed optimism and that I haven't experienced the (probably very difficult) realities of the real world. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
  7. I think they give you a textbook resource in their information for the exam, you will have to refer to that. All that matters is that you pass. If you're not sure about whether you need to write it or not, I would email admissions and tell them your situation and go by whatever they say.
  8. Hey! Obviously it's hard to offer a complete perspective unless someone has gone to both schools, but I can do my best as a current 4th yr at western. For me the biggest aspect of the decision was finances. In London I got an apartment for 1k per month (all-included) which was spacious for my wife and I, and within walking distance of school. Other than that, I personally knew that I would hate the hustle and bustle of Toronto, and I'm not really too social, so that whole nightlife thing wasn't that appealing to me. Keep in mind, you'll probably form really close bonds and friendships with your classmates and even a small city won't feel too boring when you're keeping busy with schools and social gatherings with your classmates. Clinically, I can tell you for a fact that you will not graduate from ANY school feeling totally competent to practice. Toronto and Western are probably pretty comparable in terms of clinical experience, but I would say that Australian and US grads likely have much better clinical experience than their Canadian counterparts. I wouldn't use clinical as a deciding factor, you will find your fair share of issues and frustrating experiences whether you go to Western or Toronto. There is definitely some kind of systemic problem at Western for example that has to do with distribution of resources and access to patients, but they have been making tremendous strides towards equalizing everything - for example, this year they moved from a random lottery of cubicle assignment to a balanced assignment of cubicles to all students. One thing is that Western does allow its students to do molar endo (root canals for molar teeth) because they don't have an endo specialty program, but I've heard that Toronto excels in other clinical disciplines as well, so this is something to keep in mind but shouldn't be a huge deciding factor. I honestly don't think there's any benefit in terms of access to jobs for either school. If you plan to work in Toronto or London, it may be beneficial to consider studying there so that it's easier to apply/shadow prospective jobs, but again this isn't too big of a factor. I don't plan to work in either city, and I haven't found that clinics expressed a preference for one school over the other. It was really down to personality and if you click with the principal dentist at the clinic. There's a lot more to say, but let me know if there's another specific question you have, and I'll do my best to answer. Goodluck!
  9. Pros and cons can't really be generalized even across two people. Everyonr is different. Toronto was a "-" in my book . To each their own. Every school has its pros and cons for sure. But I think your attitude will be the biggest factor in whether you have a good experience or not. Trust me you will find things you can complain about regardless of which school you choose. Congrats to all who were accepted this year and I wish the very best to you all
  10. I can't speak to how this degree compares to a 2-year master, but I'm pretty sure that IF there is a bonus given to graduate students then this degree would most likely qualify you as one.
  11. Not sure if you're the type to use cue cards - but these are cue cards that I made last year for the exam. Hope they help! https://quizlet.com/126997623/physiology-challenge-exam-review-flash-cards/
  12. Not in UofT dent but I did do the interview last year. If you already feel like your answers are too long, then why add personal experiences? I mean I could see it being beneficial if you really don't have enough to say and if you have a really good experience that you want to mention, but as a general rule your answers to CDA questions should aim to be short, clear and concise. Unlike other interviews, there really is a right answer, and this is especially true for situational questions. Take a moment, identify the competencies which you need to address, and go through what you mentioned while hitting these competencies very clearly, and that should be good enough! Make sure to organize your thoughts BEFORE you start speaking so that your answer is more organized and more eloquent. Don't decide at the last moment to add some detail for the sake of packing your answer with as much information as possible, or for taking up a certain amount of time. This is easy to spot and just makes you seem like you're rambling My interview took much less time than others (although I was asked 1 less question) and it didn't seem to hurt my application. Goodluck and let me know if I can help with anything else!
  13. Not sure about others, but I basically only used these books just for the questions. I wanted questions which are unique and got me out of my comfort zone. You can probably do without them if you know of some other place to find dental interview-related questions.
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