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  1. I've heard from current 3rd year (going to 4th year) Western students that they may be put into the sim clinic until January. I know it can't be helped, but it totally sucks for them. The situation for 1st and 2nd year students probably won't be affected much, except that won't be able to shadow/assist in the clinic until January
  2. Thanks so much for doing this! So important to get through these tough times together. Wishing you all the best. Too bad admissions look at flaunted achievements rather than those acts of goodness that some people do discretely. You will one day make an amazing clinician (if that's the path you choose). PM me if I could be any resource at all to you or anyone else. All the best
  3. To add on to what Zaandrei said, and I think I've mentioned my perspective on this in a different thread, but LOC should honestly be the least of your worries. The interest on your LOC is actually comparable to some mortgage rates, and you see people take out sizable mortgages of upwards of 700k these days in Toronto and often they're making nowhere near a dentist's salary. It's all about your priorities and how you choose to budget your income after you graduate. You often see people post about how long it is gonna take them to pay off their debt and making statements like "for 10 years you'll be living off a nurse's salary because of your LOC payments, etc." I honestly could not agree less with this perspective. If you choose to rigorously pay off your debt, it's because YOU'VE prioritized paying off your debt over other things you could have chosen to spend your money on. Let's say for the sake of argument you're paying 15k interest on your debt per year and you choose to never pay down the principal (not something I advise, but for the sake of argument). Meanwhile however, you're putting your extra money into CE, a home or practice purchase, other investments, you name it. You may see the return on your investment is much greater than the 15k your throwing at the bank. No one's situation or priorities are equal however, you may be the type of person who hates debt and wants to retire at 40, so you decide to live frugally and pay off your debt in a few years and focus on retirement savings. You may one day own 15 clinics and look back at your 300k debt as trivial. Heck, I know a dentist who spent another 100k after dental school on an MBA and I know he isn't hurting at all for money. Obviously living financially responsibly is a skill you want to maintain through dental school and the rest of your life, but in my opinion, if dentistry is what you're choosing to do, commit yourself fully to it and don't give the debt a second thought.
  4. Classmate of mine actually left dentistry for med after 1st year, so they must really not care...
  5. I'm (hopefully) graduating from UWO this year and I can only speak for our curriculum: 100 operative surfaces 5 endos (1 upper molar, 1 lower molar, 1 upper premolar, 1 lower premolar, 1 anterior tooth) 5 removable prosth arches (3 complete dentures, 1 cast partial, 1 transitional partial) - this one is very variable 4 units of fixed prosth (i.e. crowns - bridges count but not everyone gets a bridge case) 4 cases of periodontal disease (treatment planning, scaling, re-assessment) 4 pediatric treatments (stainless steel crowns, extractions, fillings) Other softer requirements like nightguards, denture repairs, etc. No strict oral surgery requirements but I feel like everyone gets a decent share of simple and surgical extractions, some people have done frenectomies, alveoplasty, biopsies, etc. Overall, students are not happy about the amount of clinical exposure they get, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most people feel decently prepared to go out and practice. We may not be as fast or efficient as we could be, but we were taught well how to treatment plan and what is or isn't clinically acceptable. That is the most important thing, and speed and efficiency will come with time.
  6. Currently looking for associateship position and this thread was a very depressing read LOL. Quick comment about finances: people constantly give examples of "your income will be ___ if you try to pay off your debt in 10 years, which is basically the income of a teacher/nurse/etc." Is this perspective actually accurate? Excluding OSAP, there is absolutely no pressure to pay off your debt - the bank LOC does not convert into a loan, and all you're forced to pay is the monthly interest (which for me is currently about 750 dollars a month on a 230k debt). In fact, very few other careers offer (potentially) lifelong access to a 350k LOC - of course this should be handled extremely responsibly but its still a beneficial thing to have. Others have also not considered the small (but still relevant) effect that tuition credits will have on helping you make a bit of a dent in your loans early out of school. Dentistry is an opportunity to make a higher income and it's honestly up to the individual to decide what they'd like to do with their earnings. A fixed 80k/year salary is not the same as a 150k salary where you can choose to pay off your debt (or not). It's like being offered an 800k mortgage by a bank - it's a blessing to have this option, though you may choose to rent instead. Not everyone is presented with this option or this choice. From how I look at it, dentistry is not a golden ticket with a guaranteed 6-figure salary and comfortable lifestyle. Nothing in life gives that kind of guarantee. And personally, I don't feel entitled because I'm a graduating dentist - I don't deserve a specific income and lifestyle. I am fortunate to have grown up in a country which has offered me the opportunity to become a dentist and a line of work which is rewarding and challenging. I am also fortunate that I have the option to do any and all of the things which were mentioned in this thread - I could move to the US, work up north or in Alberta or Saskatchewan, go abroad and help people, own 20 clinics or none, work 3 days a week or 7, I can make make bad or good financial decisions. I have OPTIONS - it's up to me what I do with them. I grew up in a poor immigrant family and I don't think people realize that having these options and opportunities is a blessing in and of itself. People are speaking about working at McDonalds... you have the opportunity to choose between being a Dentist and a McDonald employee, I would hazard to guess that a lot of McDonald employees do not have a similar choice. I realize that I speaking from a place of doey-eyed optimism and that I haven't experienced the (probably very difficult) realities of the real world. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
  7. I think they give you a textbook resource in their information for the exam, you will have to refer to that. All that matters is that you pass. If you're not sure about whether you need to write it or not, I would email admissions and tell them your situation and go by whatever they say.
  8. Hey! Obviously it's hard to offer a complete perspective unless someone has gone to both schools, but I can do my best as a current 4th yr at western. For me the biggest aspect of the decision was finances. In London I got an apartment for 1k per month (all-included) which was spacious for my wife and I, and within walking distance of school. Other than that, I personally knew that I would hate the hustle and bustle of Toronto, and I'm not really too social, so that whole nightlife thing wasn't that appealing to me. Keep in mind, you'll probably form really close bonds and friendships with your classmates and even a small city won't feel too boring when you're keeping busy with schools and social gatherings with your classmates. Clinically, I can tell you for a fact that you will not graduate from ANY school feeling totally competent to practice. Toronto and Western are probably pretty comparable in terms of clinical experience, but I would say that Australian and US grads likely have much better clinical experience than their Canadian counterparts. I wouldn't use clinical as a deciding factor, you will find your fair share of issues and frustrating experiences whether you go to Western or Toronto. There is definitely some kind of systemic problem at Western for example that has to do with distribution of resources and access to patients, but they have been making tremendous strides towards equalizing everything - for example, this year they moved from a random lottery of cubicle assignment to a balanced assignment of cubicles to all students. One thing is that Western does allow its students to do molar endo (root canals for molar teeth) because they don't have an endo specialty program, but I've heard that Toronto excels in other clinical disciplines as well, so this is something to keep in mind but shouldn't be a huge deciding factor. I honestly don't think there's any benefit in terms of access to jobs for either school. If you plan to work in Toronto or London, it may be beneficial to consider studying there so that it's easier to apply/shadow prospective jobs, but again this isn't too big of a factor. I don't plan to work in either city, and I haven't found that clinics expressed a preference for one school over the other. It was really down to personality and if you click with the principal dentist at the clinic. There's a lot more to say, but let me know if there's another specific question you have, and I'll do my best to answer. Goodluck!
  9. Pros and cons can't really be generalized even across two people. Everyonr is different. Toronto was a "-" in my book . To each their own. Every school has its pros and cons for sure. But I think your attitude will be the biggest factor in whether you have a good experience or not. Trust me you will find things you can complain about regardless of which school you choose. Congrats to all who were accepted this year and I wish the very best to you all
  10. I can't speak to how this degree compares to a 2-year master, but I'm pretty sure that IF there is a bonus given to graduate students then this degree would most likely qualify you as one.
  11. Not sure if you're the type to use cue cards - but these are cue cards that I made last year for the exam. Hope they help! https://quizlet.com/126997623/physiology-challenge-exam-review-flash-cards/
  12. Not in UofT dent but I did do the interview last year. If you already feel like your answers are too long, then why add personal experiences? I mean I could see it being beneficial if you really don't have enough to say and if you have a really good experience that you want to mention, but as a general rule your answers to CDA questions should aim to be short, clear and concise. Unlike other interviews, there really is a right answer, and this is especially true for situational questions. Take a moment, identify the competencies which you need to address, and go through what you mentioned while hitting these competencies very clearly, and that should be good enough! Make sure to organize your thoughts BEFORE you start speaking so that your answer is more organized and more eloquent. Don't decide at the last moment to add some detail for the sake of packing your answer with as much information as possible, or for taking up a certain amount of time. This is easy to spot and just makes you seem like you're rambling My interview took much less time than others (although I was asked 1 less question) and it didn't seem to hurt my application. Goodluck and let me know if I can help with anything else!
  13. Not sure about others, but I basically only used these books just for the questions. I wanted questions which are unique and got me out of my comfort zone. You can probably do without them if you know of some other place to find dental interview-related questions.
  14. I remember finding out about the shadowing when the application was first made available. I completely freaked out. In the end I just shadowed about 25 hours in like December and I guess that was enough for them (although I thought it looked rlly bad)
  15. Molar bond makes some good points. Def no point redoing your DAT. There really isn't much evidence that UWO values graduate degrees per se, but the breadth of experiences which a Master's provides may be an asset in the interview or statement. In the end, just follow your interests and don't give up, I only got in about 3 years after finishing my undergrad and I'm honestly glad it worked out that way in hindsight. Goodluck!!
  16. Not sure if they're being all secretive about the interview this year again, but I can say that practicing CDA interviews for UofT was basically all the preparation I did for both UofT and UWO and it seemed to be enough
  17. You're really in the same boat as everyone else. The DAT tests very specific material which most people learned many years before taking the DAT (and probably forgot everything). I sent this to a private message when someone asked me about the DAT, I'll just copy an dpaste it here and maybe it will be useful for you: So basically studying for biology should involve three methods: (1) Initially you will need to read through the Cliff's Bio textbook (3rd edition available for free online. Just google it) a single time from start to finish. This is to put all of the facts which you'll be memorizing into context. You won't be able to simply start memorizing. You should do this slowly in terms of understanding the concepts but there's no point taking extensive notes yet. Just read the book. (2) Use the Feralis Biology notes to review a condensed version of all of the material that you just read. Again you can Google this and it is available for free. Use this to focus on the material that you will need to memorize. Print out these notes and highlight and make side notes and add to them if you want to. You'll find that these notes cover content which wasn't in the textbook you just read. This is because the Cliff's Bio book doesn't cover all of the content on the DAT especially the physiology sections. For this reason some people read a second textbook but i just don't think that's worth the time. (3) Review review review. I suggest using cue cards. Make a huge list of cue cards of all of the things that you feel you might forget. As you go along, start to remove cue cards which you know until you've refined your deck of cards to the most difficult material. Can use quizlet.com for online cue cards or other apps. Meanwhile you wll need to sign up for as many practice sites as you can. I signed up for qvault and dat bootcamp and DAT genius. Also I suggest getting the DAT destroyer book for biology and chemistry. These are not necessarily for practicing or recreating a real life version of the DAT but rather should be added to your cue cards whenever some difficult or unknown concept is presented to you. Using the above method you should be able to learn it all - it's definitely possible to get a 30 on the biology section, regardless of how hard people claim it is. This is because the bio section is very easy.. it just covers a lot of content so most people find that they're asked about topics they never reviewed. This can be countered by going into your studies knowing that your goal is to literally memorize as many bio facts as humanly possible. You will be surprised of what you're capable of. For Chemistry, use Chad’s videos at coursesaver.com. Chemistry is by far the more straightforward science section on the DAT. This is because, although you may see variations in how questions are asked, you can be sure that Chad's videos cover all of the necessary content which can ever be asked on the DAT. This is in contrast to the biology section, which is much broader and much less predictable.
  18. Your stats are really good! Don't give up. Hopefully you got an invite at another school, but if not, maybe consider a 1 year master's and taking a good look at your personal statement (I can help you edit it for next year if you like) and I think your chances look very good.
  19. Technically it's the midpoint between 85-89.99999999 which is basically 87.5
  20. Very well put! I think the assumption is that Medicine is somehow a better profession because it is harder to get in to. If that's the case, there are a bunch of really competitive professional Master's programs which are just as difficult to get into as Medicine...
  21. You could also think of doing a Master's. Maybe a 1-year course-based one? It could help
  22. it's usually not a good idea to bank on only one school, but I would agree with Commons that your best bet is Western. Your GPA is competitive, you have bonus points for Master's and you likely have a good amount of research experience in your master's which will really help your case. You should work on your ECs and study hard for your DAT. Do some shadowing, volunteering, working, etc. If you need help you can PM me and I can tell you a good way to prepare for the DAT. Best of luck! Edit: not sure about you personal circumstances, but I really recommend that since you have a good chance at Canadian schools that you focus your efforts there. IMO US schools should only be considered if an applicant has extremely low chances for Canadian admission. However I'm sure many would disagree.
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