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  1. People tend to gloss over the details and keep up with a happy front, at least at first and with most other people. It was strange to see at first, but it makes it seem even more isolating than it already is.
  2. I wasn't referring to non-dentists but more within the dental circles. It's human nature - many people want to present themselves in a positive light. Maybe your experiences are different - but after graduation, I find that many people act like everything is rosy on the outside, but only they admit later in private that it isn't, and the only thing keeping them going is a pay check that goes to paying off a school loan or mortgage. Now we work because we need to pay for things, but the need for self-aggrandizing is sad and misleading. Does it not happen in other (high end) professions? Sure, but a problem doesn't need to be exclusive. I totally agree that dentistry is limiting. Not only it limits you to what other career you can embark on later, I find that it is also limiting within dentistry. More likely than not, you are going to be a generalist. There are not a lot of options when you realize (in dental school or later in practice) that general dentistry isn't for you. If you want to get out that, I hope there is a specialty that you want, because this differentiation is as terminal as you can get. Getting injured or sick is a big concern. Any day you don't work is a day you lose money. Made me feel like a robot.
  3. This is the absolute truth, the kind that you don't hear often for various reasons. I'm no longer practicing, but my friends who are often lament over how few people tell it like it is instead of keeping up with appearances. With that said, I think it's hard for someone to really know what their burning desires are in life without living through it. Anyway, spending money and time on another degree is already a big investment, and that's before you start dental school. Keep your eyes wide open for options and don't immediately shrug off advice that paints a less than ideal picture.
  4. I know this question was raised but I think comparing with other professions is distracting from our own issues, as the vast majority of us don't have first hand experience in other fields. Good on you for having that entrepreneurial spirit, but a "CEO style" path is not the norm and will never be. So while that may be a good choice for a few individuals (ie self benefiting), it is not realistic to have students or pre dents believe that it is a viable sustainable path for the whole industry.
  5. This so much. Money is one thing, but the problem is much bigger than that. It's not like the sky is falling, but it is only smart to be at least cognizant of the issues, and not just financial ones, that are very real to many people who are actually practicing. Don't be too quick to dismiss them as individual shortcomings.
  6. Yes I stand corrected. Its the Masters/PhD program for which you have to be in your last year. Dental school is considered an undergraduate degree I believe.
  7. You have your answer right there. Do not start dental school thinking that it's your back up. Do it because you have done your research and in your heart you know this is what you want. If in your soul searching, medicine is truly what you want, then your question should be how should you improve your med school application. OP, I thought your original question was whether you can apply to medicine while you are in dental school. You need to be the last year of a program to apply. Ie you will either wait until 4th year, or quit, which defeats your "back up" purpose.
  8. Perhaps I misread you, but if you are applying to Ontario, you will need to convert all your grades (percentages) to GPA on the OMSAS scale and then take the average.
  9. I graduated from dental school four years ago. I can write almost the exact same post that you wrote about medicine. I also made the decision to quit a few months ago, so I totally understand you and then some. The thing is, all young professionals are going through similar issues. I know that was a flippant comment, but grass is always greener on the other side. I feel sorry for the people entering into these professions with rose tinted glasses, but YMMV.
  10. The RCDSO feels that it's not its job to regulate the market but to give credentials to those who have passed a level of competence. A growing aging population is not the reason for increasing licenses handed out to FTDs. The fact that other professions have saturated markets does not mean dentistry isn't more or less saturated. Nor does it mean that there isn't a very real problem. Those who think that isn't the case are already established many years ago and can't see what is happening out there.
  11. Let me offer a different opinion. Anything below standard is too low and they are taking advantage of you as a new grad. If they insist on paying you below standard, imagine what else is below standard in the office. To me, it's not just about the bottom dollar - you want to practice in a good environment that is fair so you can do the dentistry that you want to and should do. Of course they are going to quote you the big numbers that some associate apparently billed in a certain month. They are not going to quote you the low numbers in January.
  12. And to all the recent grads, tell me how you feel. I cannot see a single organization that stands up for us, even though we are the group that's the hardest hit. Established dentists/ODA complain about saturation and say they will not retire any time soon because business is so tough, but I really find it hard to empathize with someone who has multiple offices and buildings that generate rental income. One of them told me that it should be mandatory for new grads to practice for a year in rural areas to get a full license in order to solve the saturation problem. What?? The schools are cash strapped and they bring in the FTDs through various programs to generate tuition income. U of T is increasing spots all around because of some twisted logic of "well there's a lot of FTDs anyway so let's increase enrolment for everyone and make some tuition money." The college and the government think that it is not their role to regulate the market, but rather they are there to grant licenses to those who qualify. I think new grads are so underrepresented in organized dentistry. I'm not talking about posing for pictures in various dental society events.
  13. The technical level of the FTDs in my class varied ALOT. You can learn from some but there were those that were scary to watch. From anecdotal experience (school and in practice), the bigger problem is the way a lot of them interact with patients and staff. I do believe that a qualifying program would at least bring the everyday skill level to a standard and allow them to understand Canadian culture before practicing. Guys, it's not easy out there. It's not hard to get a job but it's really hard to land a good one so you can practice the way you want. Someone mentioned underemployment by th recent grads and it is absolutely true. It's not what it used to be, so don't get confused when you see or hear about "this wonderful practice 1h away from Ottawa" that is doing well. Pick your offices wisely, and don't be afraid to walk away if you feel like you are forced into doing something. Some people don't even mind working for a lower collection %, or work on Sundays, or not taking co-pay. All that drives the associate market down. With all that being said, I think a lot of the FTDs end up working in ethnic practices/in their own community. My principal told me he got a lot of resumes from FTDs for an associateship, but they were not good candidates pre and on the interview. Even if they get the job, they may clash with the staff etc. There's no point to this post but just the fact that I wish someone can be honest enough to tell us the complete truth when we were starting school.
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