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  1. I am not the OP, but I will just give you my own opinion: Why would you go for a second Undergraduate (the fast track nursing degree), if you can get competitive GPA in your first one? Even in Nursing, you can get an excellent GPA if you work hard. It is not easy, because you take a lot of pre-med sciences, pathophysiology and pharmacy for nurses + psychology+ essays and nursing theory, and your clinical performance also affects your grades. So, you have to be a pretty rounded student to excel in Nursing school, but it is possible, very possible and I would choose it over 2 more years in Undergrad. If you happen to have a lower than expected GPA, you can always take another undergrad or take Masters. The risk with Nursing school dropping your grades is even higher with the fast track program.
  2. Yeah, I agree. I have done Nursing already, believe me, it is such not a sweet gig as being a teacher. Nothing even close. And in the Rehab field you still make wei less money with worse hours, I am talking PT/OTs.
  3. Hehe, for some reason I do not know that many. Usually, everyone knows well their own professional role and responsibilities. But, you will encounter a lot of arrogant people in both disciplines, and frankly, some get to the point of being unsafe out of misunderstood pride and stupidity. I think interviewers in both fields need to weed out people who behave like Gods and are unable to participate in constructive interactions with others.
  4. I currently work in a non-nursing discipline, but I think I understand what you are saying. From a medical perspective, anything else you do in the hospital seems "unstructured" I guess. It is true from the perspective of Medicine, since other professionals do not practice Medicine, but Physiotherapy, Nursing, OT, etc.
  5. I wanted to add also that protocols and learned actions are wrong in most cases, because, as you know, no two patients are the same. A lot of patients you see hospitalized nowadays are very complex and not really treatable with protocols. I do agree though, that I might have underestimated the clerkship training, as I have not undertaken this yet, so I can speak only as an external observer. It is very possible that clerkship is much more intense than what I think it is. Please, excuse me if this is the case.
  6. I would expect the NP programs provide enough education on the rationale behind ordering tests, medications, taking on certain clinical actions and so on. I have not done an NP or MD program yet, so I think only someone who was exposed to both would be able to differentiate the quality of training/education. Nurses, PTs, OTs and so on often have to understand very well the patient's situation and why things are done. Otherwise, it is nearly impossible to function safely in a clinical setting. What you might be implying is that often there is a lack of communication from physicians to the rest of the clinical staff, which is not always in the best interest of the patient, and unfortunately is sometimes employed as a stategy to make everyone but the Doctor look "stupid". I have not seen other disciplines avoiding communicating information in the same manner. Another factor to consider is that often other disciplines do not even have access to the full history of the patient. I have a lot of respect for everyone who works in acute care and often people around you understand more than you might think or expect. And, let's be honest, RNs in some settings function based on directives, they make a lot of decisions according to the patient's condition and often are unable to reach a physician fast enough to have everything "dictated" to them, as some people assume. WIth the worsening in staffing ratios, I expect this group will become even more autonomous, they are just forced to know and understand a lot more than 50 years ago.
  7. Lol, a lot of teachers are above 100K + benefits, pension, sick days, you are a bit off here. It actually might be worth it to spend 5 years looking for a full time teaching job, versus going to med school That's the liberal's politics. Otherwise, nurses work shifts, long hours, usually with no benefits. It is a high risk profession with exposure to violence, body fluids and infectious diseases for 1/2 of what a teacher makes. That's what turned me away from nursing and I do not recommend it to others as a choice of profession. I have not heard many debating giving up an RN job for medical school. Unless, they have very real advanced practice opportunities, like a lined up job offer, or currently working as an NP or management, etc.. And, honestly, 112 K starting NP salary is almost as likely to get as 450K starting MD salary. But, despite that, I give the poster some doubt, since I can't be an expert of the nursing/MD job markets in any given state or province. Nunavut has different numbers, that I know for sure.
  8. I am not sure this sentence makes sense. The question was addressed to the OP, not to someone who is not in a position to choose between NP and MD school.
  9. Just wanted to add that here in ON, a cardiology NP I personally know just started at 90k. He has around 10 yrs CVICU RN experience and all certificates available out there. 112K starting salary, guaranteed job and potential for 120K average seem a bit of a stretch from my sources, but maybe where you live salaries are higher. The numbers you quoted sound awesome even for the high paying states in the US. It actually makes me question if the rest of the info you cited is credible. 80K salary + benefits is also the top earning potential for senior RNs, unless you do ER or ICU and work a lot of overtime as a new grad. Really, not much realistic number for an RN with only a few years experience.
  10. sardines Some astonishing realizations during interviewing nerds end scientifically.
  11. Thank you Belle_MD. I also have an undergrad in Nursing. Would you discuss why you chose the MD route versus the NP? Is it true NPs have difficulty finding a good position now? We all know about the nursing versus medical model. My opinion on this is that both disciplines complement each other and have something to learn from each other. A good primary care practitioner would be best off if they can apply different approaches depending on the situation. In other words, the more tools you have under your belt, the better equipped you are to help patients. Pneumonia is pneumonia in any science, but if you can teach deep breathing and coughing, mobilization, chest physio, proper hydration and nutrition, infection prevention on top of just handing in a prescription, you are a better practitioner in my view. Same way, if you have extensive knowledge in pharmacology, you can probably figure not just an effective medicine, but the best medicine for the patient. Unfortunately, the government puts practitioners in less than an ideal position, making proper patient care very difficult by cuts in budget, caps in pay, limited time etc. I guess I am not that interested in the "approach" answer. And I am speaking only in consideration of primary care. Also, school is school, but ultimately if one has a desire to learn, no one can stop them to learn what they need to in order to improve their practice. While, I have a lot of respect for medical school, a big chunk of year 3 and 4 is clerkship, which I do not think is much superior in terms of knowledge acquisition than working in the hospital in another health discipline. Especially year 3s, it is a very general experience. I think in order for nurses to apply to med school, there must be reasons beyond the applicable differences in approach or acquisition of knowledge in NP versus MD school. Could you shed more light on those reasons? I am open to a pm as well, but I think other premed101 members would find the answer helpful too.
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