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  1. Hi there, I am a current UBC resident who is looking for a few partners to study for the upcoming LMCC II exam in October. Unfortunately I failed the spring session by a narrow margin, and I'm really looking forward to finding a study group to do much better this time around. I am hoping the practice sessions would be mostly OSCE based. PM me if you are interested, thanks!!
  2. Hi there, I am a current UBC resident who is looking for a few partners to study for the upcoming LMCC II exam in October. Unfortunately I failed the spring session by a narrow margin, and I'm really looking forward to finding a study group to do much better this time around. I am hoping the practice sessions would be mostly OSCE based. PM me if you are interested, thanks!!
  3. @commons I don't think I've said anything that is exaggerated. My post was on the likelihood of a DO student returning to Canada to practice medicine, which I believe to be challenging. I do believe DO students can look forward to a good career should they choose to stay in the States. But, I do look forward to your retort
  4. @jnuts I think those considering DO schools must consider the possibility of never returning to Canada to practice medicine. I do agree that family medicine may be the one exception because a 3-year FM residency that is dual accredited will allow grads to be licensed in Canada, and they should be able to find a job if the demand for FM does not wane in the future. For DO students who wish to explore other fields, the issue is two fold: 1) DOs are considered as IMGs in most provinces, and is more of an unknown entity than UK grads. Thus, even in the IMG pool, they may be seen in a lesser light than students who went to UK/Irish schools. 2) While it is true that many Canadian DOs landed impressive residencies, some were accepted into Osteopathic (AOA) programs, which will rule out their chances of returning to Canada. For those who were accepted into a non-FM ACGME program, they may have a better chance of returning. However, many of these non-primary care specialties are already saturated in Canada, so any openings will naturally favor Canadian grads over applicants who were trained in a foreign country (including the US). Even USMDs who I personally know, and who decided to stay in the states for an ACGME residency (internal medicine, ophthalmology, neurology, radiology, radonc) were unable to find jobs in semi-desirable Canadian locations afterwards. Even an US-trained EM doc (MD) who moved back to Toronto couldn't find any reasonable offers until he relented for an offer in Kitchener. Obviously going to the UK also has its own set of problems. If one does decide to stay, the training for every specialty including FM is considerably longer than in the US or in Canada. Junior doctor pay is being slashed and work hours there may also be longer. There are no perfect options and each one comes with some risk that one has to understand and assume.
  5. I think I was an average candidate for US psych programs and I also applied to only academic programs in select places. I do believe if you are an average candidate they would choose students without VISA concerns over you. Obviously if you are in the top 5-10% in terms of competitiveness, youd be fine regardless of your status but sadly I was not. With that said, three of my interviews were still at top 10 programs but I was indeed disappointed with the quantity of my interviews. I know of several Canadians who wanted to pursue surgical specialties ( ortho, gen surg) and were average candidates who had issues with the quality and quantity of their interviews. Residencies (from various channels) have also begun to realize the quota for almost every specialty under the J1 visa is being reduced by health Canada and I was asked several times if I'd have an issue securing a j1 visa.
  6. I would say most US schools that take Canadians (if not all) are in the 55 to 65k USD range. In today's exchange climate, that may means upwards of 50K CDN difference (75K CDN - 25K CDN). And while you may ultimately earn USD (many USMD will come back to Canada to practice or for residency) your US resident salary starts at 45k-50K and the incremental raises each year is less than in Canada, meaning you may be earning 60k after 4 years of residency After taxes, you may only have around 38k left which is not even close to making a dent on your loans.
  7. U are correct; the grading situation might be similar at Toronto and McGill. Which is why I'd argue for attending one of the latter and saving tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Btw, it's a different story if u have a green card AND have residency in Cali. Then you'd receive a lesser tuition and possibly a subsidized federal loan.
  8. UC schools are notorious for bell curving its students so that only a small minority's will receive above average GPAs. I've had classmates from UCLA and Berkeley who all wished they went to a less competitive school for a better GPA. And however you look at it, you'll pay much less at a Canadian university.
  9. I agree with you certain schools are very well known niche communities for their strengths in that field. You mentioned Mac and MMIs, and I would say Foothills hospital in Calgary is equally famous in the neuro interventional radiology for their research in stroke as well as UBC in the retina community. But, I haven't met too many people outside of those niche fields who knew about the non Toronto/McGill schools the same way we know the stanfords and yales and harvards. With that said Canadian med students are some of the brightest in the world and will have impressive CVs to show for. I just wanted to temper some of their expectations because the way Canadian schools are viewed in the states may not be as glowing as they might expect if they didn't come from U of T or McGill.
  10. I went to an USMD school (in a border state) and I can assure you the ONLY schools Americans (even in the medical field) have heard of are McGill and maybe U of T. Even then, they have no idea how hard it is to get into a Canadian school. I haven't found a single person in medical administration who have ever heard of Mac, Western, Queens, etc... I was recently asked by an attending why I am coming back to Canada for residency when all of Canadian medical graduates come to the US for a FM residency. Perplexed, I later realized he thiught the Canadian grads who went to Caribbean med schools were Canadian medical grads XD. Another attending thought queens and Mac were schools in the Caribbean lol. The biggest issue is that American schools emphasize reputation and they don't realize Canadian schools are fairly consistent in quality and competitiveness. Thus, a U of T or McGill grad (They all think McGill is the Harvard of Canada btw) will be viewed much more fondly than other schools.
  11. Step 3 is taken during intern year and since I'm returning to Canada, I don't plan on taking it tho I will be taking the Mccqe part 1 in a few weeks
  12. So all in all I did four, two week electives in Toronto (3 in FM and 1 in psych) and one, month long elective in psych at a top 10 program in the states. For FM, all of my rec letters were Canadian and for psych, I used two CDN letters plus the letter from a US school where I did my away.
  13. Yea finding away electives back in Canada was tough for two reasons: 1) while usmg are considered cmg for CaRMS, we are still considers IMGs when we apply for away electives at every institution except for Toronto and Calgary. Thus, as an IMG I would have to pay a hefty registration fee and buy malpractice insurance even with a much less likely chance of actually getting a spot. 2) even if you apply to Toronto, the away rotation coordination office there does not have the manpower to actually try to find all of the available opportunities in the specialty you listed. For eg, if you wanted Geriatrics, they may only email one or two available sites despite the fact that there are numerous preceptors willing to accept you. So if they email you back saying there are no available spots and that you'll be refunded the app fee, tell them to hold on to the money for a month while you need to take the initiative and spam everyone you can find on google to find a preceptor yourself. When U of T was only able to find a preceptor for one of my choices, I probably sent out a few hundred emails to preceptors at other affiliated hospitals and that's how I ended up with three other rotations.
  14. yea my tuition started at around 42000 USD in 2012 but I believe it is around 49000 USD this year. Thanks to the strong CDN currency, I paid around 39000 CAD in first year but this year I had to pay around 70000 CAD. Crazy how drastically rates can change over just four years!
  15. I was lucky that half of my tuition was paid for by my family. The rest was through a RBC line of credit of around 50 000 CAD per year (though it wasn't exhausted). I also received 8-10k Cdn from OSAP each year. When I started medical school, the Canadian currency was quite strong unlike it is now
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