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  1. As a person who has applied to the U.S., this is not new nor is it a secret in US MD schools. Some even state it on their website, that they are specifically encouraging and looking for underrepresented minorities. I don't think this is bad thing - at the end of the day, they have the community in mind when choosing applicants. Bigger picture in my humble opinion: as long as students make it on the other end of medical school, it doesn't matter what GPA or MCAT they had coming in. They will be great doctors regardless.
  2. Agreed - I 100% support BSAP and ISAP. Thanks for the balanced view. Thus far, most people on this thread who seem to be talking favourably about BSAP/ISAP are already IN medical school (you can claim it hasn't changed pre-post admission, but I guess we'll never know how true that is). I just thought this is an important context to point out because at the end of the day, I see yesandno 's comments rooted in past rejections, moreso than anything else in my opinion. We all know how TOXIC pre-medical culture is, and the desperation it cultivates amongst us to gain admission, particularly in Canada, where the acceptance rates are already incredibly poor. He/she/they probably just wants to get in, and I have a strong feeling that if yesandno was already in, maybe he/she/they would not be so vocal about his/her/their concerns around BSAP/ISAP. Each and every one of us have to be honest with ourselves and with each other. Many of you were desperate pre-meds at one point, and I find it hard to believe that most of you, as PRE-MEDS, would be selfless enough to be completely agree with BSAP right off the bat. This is borne out in the evidence on perceptions of special admission streams in the literature. Look it up. I'll be honest: I had the same initial thoughts when I heard about BSAP as a non-Black applicant a few years - and we can't forget NOR deny that A LOT of non-Black applicants did (atleast, the ones that I've spoken to). Yesandno was just brave enough to be vocal about it. BSAP's introduction had plenty of people, who are also disadvantaged in some form, saying: "what about me?" However, I spent a lot of time learning, growing, educating myself, through friends and literature, and I've since been a full supporter of BSAP. I took some time to examine my own biases, which was driven by being a non-Black person, but also being in a toxic pre-medical culture (which is already toxic for EVERYONE, but perhaps moreso for Black people) where we need to get in or die. It takes some time, but happy that alot of posters here gave incredible insight for yesandno and OTHERS to think about. It takes a lot of empathy and sympathy to understand others and their point of views (even if implicitly racist), but at the end of the day, it's the same empathy and sympathy that this profession calls for. It's been a productive conversation here! TLDR: Don't forget that perhaps, in addition to implicit biases/racism, toxic pre-med culture may also play a large role in people's view on BSAP. Sample many pre-meds and I bet you yesandno is not standing alone in their views. Productive and HONEST conversations are the way forward!
  3. Just a thought, while reading through these comments: I wonder what impact being a pre-med VS. already being in medical school/residency/staff has on an individual's opinion on BSAP/other special admissions streams. if any? For those already in medical school/residency/etc well before these admission streams were implemented (or just gained admission), do you think your opinion would change if you were currently seeking admission to medical school (presumably, your lifelong dream) today? I'd really like to hear from individuals like me, who is still seeking admission to MD program as a non-Black applicant AND a proponent of these special admission streams... most people here speaking FOR these admission streams have already evaded the sheer luck it takes to get admitted. Not accusing anyone of being disingenuous, but I think there are personal biases on both sides of this argument. I'd really like to see more transparency and data to support these claims. I am all for BSAP and ISAP, but I still think any novel admissions process deserves external critical appraisal. But for now, in the grand scheme of things, we know BSAP and ISAP are BENEFITTING our communities. I guess the only question is, do the ends justify the means and more frankly, what are the exact means? That's why we need more data/transparency.
  4. Well with that GPA and UofT's apparent emphasis on higher GPAs, I bet you could get away with shitty references lmao
  5. In my opinion, your chances of getting in are more dependent on your strategic SCHOOL LIST than what your actual stats are. Just because someone had amazing stats and didn't get in anywhere doesn't necessarily mean that someone with stats below that have no chance. I know plenty of people with high stats, but don't get in anywhere because they only applied to non-Canadian-friendly and/or really top-heavy schools (Stanford, Harvard, JH, etc.). They were basically misinformed with how to formulate school lists. To OP: If people share their stats with you, and share an outcome, make SURE that they also provide the schools they applied to, because you can then assess the context of their application. I'd say to OP that if you can get everything submitted within a week, you could be fine (but you're really straddling the line between being screwed and having a chance). If not, wait until next cycle!
  6. Very true! I guess this upcoming cycle, raw GPA ~= wGPA. lol
  7. Holy. That's insane - 3.89 raw GPA average. I'm pretty sure the wGPA average was again in 3.96 range. I think they were embarrassed at how high the average weighted GPAs were this cycle, so they didn't disclose it. Misleading. The GPA average didn't go down, nor do I believe the process is getting more holistic at UofT. They've ALWAYS reported average wGPAs in the past. Getting really discouraged at this point.
  8. That's correct, but they're talking about AEEs, and the bolded/underlined part is not any different than what has been done in previous years.
  9. LOL how in the world does making most people's wGPA lower make admissions MORE equitable? Where in fact, those who are from lower SES backgrounds would have presumably benefited substantially MORE from the older wGPA formulation than those from higher SES backgrounds (aka those who are statistically more likely to maintain a peak and consistent state of performance during undergrad, so their wGPAs ~= cGPAs). Equity is UofT's favourite word, but I still don't see the relation. Seems like the opposite effect.
  10. Lol, more waiting. But, the question is, are the phase 3 changes being implemented during our admissions cycle? Or for the next?
  11. Thanks! Can you also ask them when they will expect to upload this for everyone/urge them to post it on youtube ASAP? LOL
  12. Is that how long the lag is? Ugh. I've been waiting all week to watch this.
  13. Apparently it's full: https://applymd.utoronto.ca/event/2020-admissions-cycle-recap-and-townhall-session Wth lol
  14. I think they soon realized that this would happen, so I think they closed it for live audiences after announcing haha
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