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  1. I mean this is definitely the safest strategy, but it also reflects a gross attitude in medicine that you should always be meek and apologetic to your seniors, and in turn fosters poor treatment of your juniors down the road if you internalize it (cough cough every gen surg senior ever cough). Like any social situation, you have to feel it out. If the person you are shadowing is talking to you and trying to involve you don't be afraid to speak or be embarrassed that you're inexperienced. If they actually get annoyed at you for daring to ever make your presence known, I would question why they agreed to let you shadow to begin with. It takes an outrageously minimal amount of common sense to know that if there's some kind of emergency and the person you are shadowing is suddenly rushing to do something that it's probably a bad time to ask why the patient is turning blue, so I guess keep that in mind if you're so clueless that it wouldn't occur to you in the moment. Don't stress about "secret rules" of where to stand and stuff, just listen if a nurse or doctor asks you to move. Honestly instead of just assuming the worst and going with the 'only speak when spoken to' strategy just asks them at the start if it's okay to ask questions etc. They'll tell you what they expect, there's no need for you to be left wondering. Personally I would wager that if they're letting you shadow they enjoy teaching and will be happier with someone who's asking questions and seems engaged, but again just ask beforehand.
  2. Maybe don't go on a thread about the bag colour if you're that bitter. This thread is specifically to get excited or talk shit about the bag colour. Do you think med students should never be allowed to complain about anything or be negative ever because there are people who didn't get in? Jeez
  3. It's changed since then. They were taking IMGs in psych who never learned French throughout residency, and at some point they realized that was a terrible idea in Montreal. They do part of the interview in French now to ensure that communication is adequate for psych. And yes, you're right, the school as a whole does a terrible job of giving applicants a realistic picture of what is expected in terms of language.
  4. Some staff ask you if you're comfortable in french before assigning patients, some students mention to their staff that their french is weak. It's not a formal request, it's just part of working in a team with hopefully understanding people. While it's a bad idea to plan on never taking french patients because there are rotations when this is not possible, and there will be people who get pissed off at you, they're also extremely understanding if you just put some effort in. There's nothing wrong with presenting a patient and just letting the staff know you weren't completely sure about the quality of their pain because they kept using a word you didn't catch. As I said in the hospital that's 100% fine, but in clinics in french areas, you might have staff that are unimpressed with you because of it. You'll get more comfortable in french if you just try. As long as you're in the hospital, most everyone should be fine with you giving a best effort, and it will naturally improve. I started off being extremely stressed about this (started med school being somewhat familiar with how to structure a sentence in french but could not actually converse), and now am very comfortable with french patients. Even at the beginning when staff would ask if I was able to take french patients I would always say yes, because I wanted to work on it and I knew there would be times when my staff would not give me that option. My vocabulary is still extremely limited, but patients were fine with it and all staff in the hospital were fine with it. Every patient encounter with a francophone began with, "Desole mon francais n'est pas le meilleur, mais je vais esseyer", and no one ever objected or got frustrated with me. I don't even know if that sentence grammatically correct, but it's probably better if it's not, really drives the point home.
  5. If you can muddle by with patients, even if you have to do a lot of pointing and google translate, you'll get by. They'll accept people with 0 french and then when clerkship comes around the university will "expect" fluency, which is obviously idiotic. How anyone could actually become fluent in a year and half while simultaneously learning medicine is beyond me. Very few staff/teams will care in a hospital setting. There are a ton of IMGs at McGill who speak no French, so if you can give it your best shot they'll be happy, and that covers the bulk of your rotations. In clinics however, it can be different. You can be placed in a french area for family medicine, with entirely french patients and staff will openly give you shit for not being completely fluent. And if you dare to complain, the university will merely state that it was "expected" that you become fluent by clerkship. They give some BS line about how comments about language don't end up on your record, but if a staff is extremely unimpressed with you because you're struggling to communicate with patients, that will seep into everything they write about you, not just explicit comments about language and communication. So basically if you're not comfortable in French you might have a bad time for a couple rotations, and be stressed out when dealing with unilingual french patients, but overall it's very doable especially in hospital-based rotations. I wouldn't say that not speaking french is a reason not to go to McGill, but it will be an added stress when you're likely already not feeling particularly comfortable speaking to patients as a med student. If you're the kind of person that can take that in stride and is happy to add learning a new language to your list of things to get comfortable with as a med student, you won't miss a beat. There are also people in the class who'll ask for only English patients (can fly in the hospital, definitely not in clinic). You can do this, but be warned that some staff will very much not appreciate this, but you're not likely to fail because of it either. edit: One last point, if you already know you're interested in a communication heavy specialty like psychiatry, you will definitely have a worse experience. It's hard to form rapport when you can barely speak the same language, or determine if someone is psychotic or just used a francophone expression you weren't familiar with. Still not a complete barrier as you have your electives you can do anywhere, but you won't get as much out of your 2 months of core psych if you don't speak french.
  6. no one is going to blacklist you, but yes the group will be set up by a member of one of the current classes. they're all named 'McGill Medicine Class of 202X' on fb so you can just keep an eye out for when 2024 is formed and message them, if you're super eager
  7. Congrats! All the acceptances say that, it's just that you fill out the proper forms, immunizations etc. like any other school.
  8. Just a note to the pre-meds who gave thoughtful (and correct) responses and then were attacked and belittled by the OP, this is what you will experience constantly in clerkship. Good practice, especially if you believe the OP that he/she is a physician. One of the charming perks you'll get to experience once you've been accepted.
  9. Publications aren't the only thing that matters, but there are many competitive specialties in which some amount of research is pretty much expected. Also I personally think that because of the elective change (maxing out at 8 weeks in any discipline) research might become even more important. If you can't distinguish yourself by doing a ton of electives in ophthalmology and making good impressions on different programs, having an impressive research portfolio might fill that role instead. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see that as a possible outcome. Something will have to fill that void when there's an 8 week max. As for summer vs. other, whatever you want. The role of medical students in a lot of research projects is just data collection, so it's not a big deal to do a bit of that during the years. You can get involved in multiple projects over the 4 years without a massive time commitment.
  10. Depends entirely on the program. The thread you're talking about was for family, and when you treat a large volume of people in a clinic setting you need to be comfortable in French and they should have told them that. If you're working in a hospital right off the bat everyone is more understanding of language difficulties. As mentioned many IMGs come with no french (and leave with virtually no french) and it's fine. Also for family and psych strong communication skills in general are important. For surgery, communication skills are not nearly as important, so it makes sense that you can get by without being completely fluent in French. I assume you don't want to state which program it is, but if it's hospital based and not as communication-centered as fam/psych, you may be fine, especially if the program is explicitly telling you that French is not required. You already have the interview, there's no harm in going and being honest about your French knowledge, and then asking them in person if it will be an issue. And then do some self-reflection and think about whether it would stress you out tremendously to have to occasionally find a nurse to help you translate, or depend on other team-members when you need to speak with unilingual French patients. At McGill hospitals roughly 50% of patients are French, but 50-75% of those French patients at the very least understand English. It's quite a small fraction that are truly unilingual French. The previous poster was likely placed at a clinic that had a high Francophone population, and that's why they ended up in such a tough position. It's extremely variable by neighborhood, but all McGill hospitals are as I described above.
  11. Anyone know about McGill Internal? I've heard some things but can't find anything concrete
  12. As the previous poster pointed out, rads and anesthesia jump to mind. I suspect anesthesia might not be your cup of tea either, because you'll probably find yourself in situations where you have to chit chat with colleagues etc., and you don't really have your own space. You're on the other side of the drape, but the pace of work is not something you can control. Also there's some research, but the field isn't changing by leaps and bounds, they've pretty much been using the same drugs for decades. Rads fits with most everything you mentioned, so I'd definitely explore that first. It's very objective, you can work alone at your own pace (and it's high volume these days), don't have to take histories (but may have to chart review), you're a consultant, and it's less team based than most other specialties. I can't comment specifically about the research aspect, but I know plenty of research is done, and especially if you enjoy physics I'm sure there are some interesting projects you could get involved with. Also it's good that you can distinguish the difference between what you're good at and what you actually enjoy, obviously the latter is much more important. Having good interpersonal skills is irrelevant if you don't enjoy working with people. I've also never heard of anyone who prefers working with people who AREN'T laid back, but hey, takes all kinds.
  13. To francophones literally everything is about language politics, and their rights being horribly violated by anyone who has the audacity to step foot in their province without being fluent in french
  14. I would go to the school that's furthest from your parents so you can avoid not becoming an adult before med school that way.
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