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  1. Heya, I know the decision is frustrating, from my understanding the reason to exclude comes from the fact that most students did not have formal final exams for winter 2020 at McGill university. I know that this is not true for all universities so I can only speak for McGill, i know that at McGill my friends told me the exams they did have in science were open book and they had either 2 or 3 days to complete it, so all 3 of them managed to get a 4.0 gpa for the semester due to the fact that formal exams were cancelled and they were able to use their notes and the internet to complete the final exams over the course of either a 48/72 hour time window. I know the decision might be frustrating given the work done earlier in semester but I think in order to level the playing field with other students this is why mcgill took the decision to not count the 2020 grades since from friends who are enrolled all exams at mcgill were take home for winter 2020 which allowed students to work in teams to complete them as well and significantly boost their gpa. I understand that because mcgill itself didn't have a software/platform set up to enforce monitoring of final exams for winter 2020 they decided to do this to even the playing field for students who took the course and had a final exam last year versus a take home exam and were allowed to work on it with friends and use their notes for example. The second reason comes from the fact that students may have been negatively impacted as a result of loss of income and part time jobs, loosing a family member as a result of covid-19, taking care of family members impacted by covid 19, financial difficulties due to parents loosing jobs and may not have been able to complete the courses or complete it properly, or lacked resources at home ( wifi, proper internet etc) so to try not to penalize these students the 2020 grades were also not counted. I realize students worked still hard on their courses and I am not discounting this in any way but I also know that having a take home final is different from a final formal examination. if you were not at McGill and had a proctored formal exams this is frustrating and upsetting, so if you took a course where an exam was proctored online and had a formal exam I would ask to have that university write a letter attesting the exam was a proctored exam under full examination conditions, and then inform the McGill admissions committee of this? I took some courses at queens which had proctored midterm and finals so in that situation I think McGill may take this into account and we can justify it? I think if you had a take home final McGill is trying to be as fair as possible and evaluating applicants and unfortunately it probably can't count as it's difficult to compare an applicant that had a take home final worth 70 percent versus a student who wrote a final exam under full examination conditions worth that same 70 percent. However, I think if you did a proctored exam it should definitely count and perhaps a formal letter from your university can help the case.
  2. From my understanding the reason to exclude comes from the fact that most students did not have formal final exams for winter 2020, I don't know if this was the case for all the universities, i know that at McGill my friends told me the exams they did have in science were open book and they had either 2 or 3 days to complete it, so all 3 of them got a 4.0 gpa for the semester due to the fact that formal exams were removed and they were able to use all their notes and the internet to complete the final exams over the course of the 48/72 hour time window they had to complete the exam. I realize this may not have been the case for all classes. I know the decision might be frustrating given the work done earlier in semester but I think in order to level the playing field with other students this is why mcgill took the decision to not count the 2020 grades since almost all exams at mcgill were take home for winter 2020 which allowed students to work in teams to complete them as well and significantly boost their gpa. I know for other universities this may not have been the case ( ie universities that have proctored exams for example and where exam guidlines were strictly envoked and I think if you were in that situation its unfortunate it really sucks and I would inquire from that university for perhaps a letter saying exams were proctured) but I also understand that because mcgill itself didn't have a software/platform set up to enforce monitoring of final exams for winter 2020 they decided to do this to even the playing field for students who took the course and had a final exam versus a take home exam and were allowed to work on it with friends and use their notes for example. The second reason comes from the fact that students may have been negatively impacted as a result of loss of income and part time jobs, loosing a family member as a result of covid-19, taking care of family memebers impacted by covid 19, financial difficulties due to parents loosing jobs and may not have been able to complete the courses or complete it properly so to try not to penalize these students the 2020 grades were also not counted.
  3. I think deadlines for cegep and MDM applicants might be different too? due to different application times?
  4. It says all grades need to be submitted by January 15 2021 from what I read I think? please correct if i'm wrong. They send out offers in march so I don't think it would have a May 30 deadline
  5. Its for this coming year Application Fall 2020 - for admission for fall 2021 on their pdf I am pretty sure here https://www.mcgill.ca/medadmissions/files/medadmissions/admissions_update_for_2021_applications.pdf it says " CHANGES FOR THE FALL 2021 ADMISSIONS CYCLE:" On main page it also says " changes for admissions for fall 2021" Fall 2021 admission cycle means you are applying this year for admission in 2021 year I've been trying for 3 years now, so I really hope this will be my year, fingers crossed for getting an interview for next year.
  6. Thank you amazing very helpful! in that case I have all the prerequisites already, I did them all in 2008-2010. I will still finish option 2 anways as I'm almost done with them anyways and if they do end up counting the grades for future years I will have done them with an improved prerequisite score.
  7. Hi Everyone, I read the website over a few times and I had the following questions To give some context, I did not apply to Mcgill this year, I am re-doing option 2 prerequisites this year. I did quite well on interview the times I applied but haven't gotten in due to prerequisites. This year I made the decision to not apply and re-do my prerequisites while balancing two jobs which has been tough I'm just worried if those prerequisites will still count? 1) From my understanding prerequisite grades no longer count past the interview point, correct? based on this my understanding is 100 percent of admission decision is based on interview once you get the interview "For all programs, completion of all prerequisites science courses is required to maintain eligibility. Any of these courses taken as part of your Basis of Admission degree will contribute to your overall GPA for the academic assessment. CHANGES FOR THE FALL 2021 ADMISSIONS CYCLE: As of 2021, the GPA of the Basic Science courses is not re-used in the selection process" 2) You still need to have the prerequisites done and have some sort of minimum grade what is that grade? Website only says this " As of Fall 2021, all basic science prerequisite courses must meet a minimum grade requirement; the GPA is not weighted in the selection process" I don't know what this will mean if there needs to be a minimum if B+ for all prerequisite grades or an A- 3) Is option 2 classes done through athabasca, thomson rivers count still? "a separate GPA for the science courses (collegial and/or university level) will not be weighted in the selection process. The final step of selection for the MDCM program will be based on the interview, harmonizing it with the Med-P selection process." AND "courses completed more than eight (8) years before the application deadline will not be considered; distance or correspondence education courses are acceptable only by special permission and at the discretion of the Office of Admissions" So from my understanding, you will need prerequisites to be done ( within last 8 years if expired needs to be redone), there will be some sort of minimim requirement for these prerequisites( T.B.D what this minimum is) but as long as you have done them and achieved the minimum and gotten the interview, the prerequisites won't affect your admission ie your interview score will decide your admission. I'm already going to be finished re-doing the prerequisites for this year cycle I guess I just don't know if McGill will now count them given my point 3 (athabasca, thomson rivers will hopefully still continue to count as it used to?) I'll be sad if all that time and money and effort and the prerequisites I re-took will no longer count. My option 1 prerequisites were done in 2008-2010 so they are no longer valid with the 8 year guideline.
  8. HI, I'm sorry for you rejections I know how shitty it is, and how hard it is to get up and try again the following year Reading your posts I think its definitely your prerequisites, This is my third interview and third rejection, and this one was hard to swallow for sure, especially finding out I got in top third of those who interviewed this year. All I can say is keep trying and improving and definitely re-do your basic science prerequisites. First year Ranked 143 - due to prerequisites got brought down to 186 Second year ranked 105: due to prerequisites got brought down to 156 This year ranked in top third so around 65-70 I got the following email from admissions Unfortunately I’m not able to provide the exact ranking numbers since they are not formatted that way for individuals just yet. However, I took a brief look at the overall list and I can share that your outcome does look somewhat similar this year (i.e. squarely in the lower third for Basic Sciences, and probably a stronger on the MMI than last year; around the lower of the top third). As in past years it looks like the average science GPA prerequisite for offer will be around 3.8, with only a very small percentage of offers going to people with a science GPA below 3.5. I was hoping that if I can improve enough on my interview I won't need to go and re-do all those classes but my science prerequisite gpa is a 3.2 and those who got in with below a 3.5 is exceptional as admissions said and only a small percentage get offers ( even if it counts for 20% because the average is so so high) that therres no way we can make it unless we rank in like top 20 of all that interview, this is hard to do because the difference between candidates is sometimes as little as 0.01 of a point - if you search those that got in with below that ( one of them was already in dentistry at udem and did a transfer to medicine) - aka exceptional as the person was already in faculty of medicine at UdeM or the other person that got in was an NTP which means their prerequisites didn't count. So as shitty as it sounds you gotta re-do all your prerequisites, I am taking time off work to do that this year which sucks but its the only way I can re-do them. According to admissions it doesn't matter how well you ranked on your interview, it has to be exceptional for them to offer you admission if you have a prerequisite gpa below 3.5. I also wrote TFI I got 80% needed 85 ( you can only write it once per year - once per application cycle) the oral questions are not bad, but the grammer is brutal and yes for essay your grammer counts too, I bought the CD and book they recommend and did those exercises, but my grammer is not supper great so I would recommend some courses to take perhaps to improve on this. PM me if you want more details
  9. Wow Seeing all the years you applied and never gave up hope, thank you for sharing your stats and your post. You give all of us hope and Congratz!!!!!! I got Refused this year, third interview at McGill so this one definitely stings, pre-reqGPA: 3.21 MCAT: not submitted MMI: well felt better then 2018, and better then 2017 but time will tell once we get stats in July Year. 5 year concurrent two bachelor degree -2015 + M.Sc -2018 + working for two years If it helps anyone here were my stats for the last two years - Fall 2018 Result applications Your MMI performance ranked: 105 out of 298 On the science prerequisites, you ranked: 260 out of 298 Your final rank: 157 out of 298 Fall 2017 Result Your MMI performance ranked: 143 out of 290 On the science prerequisites, you ranked: 245 out of 290 Your final rank: 189 out of 290 To all those experiencing rejection for the first time, or if its the second rejection or third after being waitlisted last year I would like to extend words of comfort and to know that you are not alone in this with every year you will only grow as a person, you will become more resilient, you will become even more prepared to undertake the career of a physician, in the words of Martin Luther King after the last no will come a yes, maybe not next year or the one after that but if you keep at it and improve your application little by little you will get there or maybe life has other amazing things in store for you that are coming. For now it is ok to take time to process, to be sad, to feel frustrated. Once rankings come out you will know if its your MMI or prerequisites, ( I know I will have to re-do mine if I want to re-apply again and have a shot and now that they are officially expired I should be allowed to take them and will have to figure out how to balance work paying for student loans and juggling classes by night perhaps that I still need to reflect on and decide) I have met awesome people through this forum, some of which are now friends, I have met people who interviewed with me 3 years ago who are my friends to this day ( they didn't get an interview this year despite getting one two years in a row) and they are the most amazing and deserving people I know and some of the most genuine. For now I have ordered a bucket of fried chicken coupled with binging on friends. Stay strong to all those rejected, feel free to PM me and I will send you some adorable animal pics and words of encouragement just as others have done for me that are bound to make you smile and brighten up your day. Congratz to all that got accepted and on your perseverance for a lot of you. And those that got rejected you have come such a long long way already, do know that and how incredible you are <3
  10. That sounds really good, so your chances are prob a lot better in that case
  11. Yes they still will count, and the committee can see the EC they discuss every file individually after interviews so they would bring up the EC and see how much merit it holds and how that adjusts your prerequisites ( for example they might drop the prerequisites u did in your term with EC and calculate your overall without those) but the others will still count
  12. You should get the exemption - I teach in science ( chem, physics) grade 10/11 and I was exempted, so because your work involves sciences you will be excepted too, did you do your prerequisites in Quebec? Ive heard only of them not granting an exemption if the prerequisites were done outside Quebec, if they were done here and your working in science you should be good and wow amazing CV, sounds supper awesome everything you have listed. And yes Dreamteam22 is right after the interviews are granted no matter how amazing your CV is it comes down to your prerequisites and your MMI, so if you don't re-do them you have to be in the top 30 of everyone that interviews, not impossible but def hard.
  13. I have a 3.21/4 which is an 80 and I placed 260/290 for prerequisite score ( rankings gotten after interview) and it lowered me 53 points, my ranking after the interview was 103 and went down to 156 due to prerequisites so I would say aim for above so a 3.6/4 or above 90 for prerequisites, because the prerequisites significantly bring down your overall score after the interview, so it means if you have 80 or below 80 you have to be in the top 30 of all 240-300 people that even if the prerequisites lower you by 50 ish points you make the 79 accepted cutt off. Your EC might help you out in this case however I do not know how mcgill takes it into account.
  14. I agree with this too, Just from personal experience last year I ranked 103/296 or whatever it was, however because of my prerequisites which are on the dot 3.2/4 this placed me on my prerequisite scale as 260/296 - I did not intend to pursue medicine when I was in cegep then, and worked every weekend ( 15-20 hours a weekend) which def affected my studying time and wasn't too too serious about my marks back in the day either but now it definitely has an impact- it brought be down almost 53 points I ended up with a ranking of 156/300. Had it not been for my prerequisites I probably would have had a much better chance/ at least might have placed on waiting list perhaps who knows, but all to say that pre-requisites do really matter. Re-taking them is quite a nuissance - as you have to take night classes 5-10 pm ( two classes a semester max 3 but usual is 2) as continuing education at Cegep you can't register as a day devision which means about 1.5 years to re-do them all. I would have done it but I work 8 - 7 PM most days so I unfortunately can't do this otherwise I would have. I am hoping this year I did enough on my interview to land a spot but those pre-requisites are going to haunt my application. My next step if I don't get in would be to write the MCAT ( as it would be weighted 50 percent) and 50 percent on prerequisites, if re-doing them is not an option this is an alternative to boost it for those whose prerequisites are low and where re-doing the courses is not an option
  15. Yes you would basically do the year that pre-med 1 students ( who are being accepted from cegep would be doing) I molecular bio 200, 201, statistics is on it for sure, and not sure what else and have to have a minimum of a 3.5/4 on GPA to be admitted onto to Med. A person I know from last year who was NTP was re-taking the courses at the same time as she was applying to do the interview for NTP- she started re-taking them in the fall so by the time she got an acceptance, she had basically re-done the prerequisites so she made the case to admissions and they exempted her from them. So my guess if you have done those same prerequisites here in Canada, at a Canadian university they would exempt you. Even if their expired. If you have done them outside canada such as the current individual you would not be exempt and have to do qualifying year premed or re-do them somehow bedore you start Med. The person took night classes at Concordia and UdeM I believe to complete the prerequisites.
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