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  1. Absolutely, associate opportunities are very low in Canada right now. Even northern jobs have multiple interviewees. Times are changing due to the equivalency process...I predict that in the next 5 years, new grads will not even be able to find multiple part time jobs equal to full time employment
  2. I agree that Canadian Dental students graduate with insufficient clinical experience. In fact, US and Aus schools are generally far superior to Canadian schools in terms on clinical experience. There’s a reason that these schools are accredited. Dentistry is changing. General dentists are doing more “traditionally specialist” procedures e.g implants, wisdom teeth ext, biopsies, clear aligners etc. So the concept of a 1-2 year residency is much more relevant today.
  3. You are still slating Mexican dentists whether you admit it or not because the quality of work done by healthcare practitioners around the world should not depend on the fear of legal recourse. If it does then they are unethical. Hence you are essentially calling them unethical. You can’t slate a group of foreign dentists while simultaneously saying you don’t see them as inferior. Its a funny point of view, to put it in the kindest way. Good luck with your work
  4. Just found it funny how you character assinated Mexican dentists and then advocated against character assinating foreign dentists. No hate, I respect you in these forums. Just that it made me laugh out loud. And I agree, once you get your license you should be judged on the history of work you do, not where you graduated from. However, I have spoken to many practice owners who have told me that they do not hire Internationally Trained Dentists (ITDs) because they’ve had bad experiences having them as associates, in regards to their treatment of patients and ethics. This has also been said to me by ITDs who own practises; that they won’t hire other ITDs as associates. Obviously it’s completely wrong and inaccurate to blanket all ITDs as unethical. But it seems to me that this problem is common enough for owners (including other ITDs) to prefer Canadian, US and Aus grads over them. It kinda says something about the equivalency process. With that being said, their exams are much harder, with very low pass rates. Rumours are that there is a negative bell curve applied so instead of requiring 75 to pass, you require 85. This whole situation is not fair to them or their families either. I have great respect for those that went through the equalvaency process because of how hard and draining emotionally it is. But still, it is a broken system not only to them but also to dentists in Canada and the public. And the statistics of the low past rates are there for them to see before they start the process hence they should be prepared for the roller coaster.
  5. Yes obviously that isn’t the point of the NDEB. Anyone who took their exams would realize that. But the problem remains that Canada is giving licenses to graduates of schools which we have no idea the quality of. And 3-4 exams do not determine if they will be able to provide a standard of care comparable to graduates of accredited schools. Exams+graduation from an accredited school would be more reflective of competency. However the NDEB has replaced the requirement of graduating from an accredited program with more exams. In their eyes those 3 new exams are equivalent to passing 4 years of dental school from an accredited program in terms of assessing the competency of a potential practioner
  6. The schools there are accredited. Standard of education and care in Australia is high. No patient would mind. The concern is that: 3 exams can not replace a 4 year education from an accredited school
  7. Well nothing wrong with listing where you graduated from of putting a DMD or DDS behind your name instead or a BDS. The concern with internationally (outside US,Aus,NZ,Ireland) trained dentists is not an issue with fairness. When you’re working it doesn’t matter where you got your degree from or what grades you got in undergrad. It has to do with the fact that they graduated from non-accredited programs. Graduating from a dental school in India, a third world country or even Eastern Europe means that the standard of care you provide will be just that level: third or second world country If you’re uncomfortable getting your dentistry done by dentists in less developed countries then we should stop accepting graduates of those countries directly via the equalivency process. My concern is not with Canadians that go to school in US, Aus etc. Because 1. Turth be told their education is at a higher level than in most Canadian schools. They are well trained. 2. It’s very much mutually beneficial that Canadian dentists can move to the US 3. The numbers going to those schools have remained stable and are not really increasing. Also consider that a good portion of them decide to stay in the country where they got their education
  8. Yeah super easy to find a job because jobs with maybe 10hrs of chair time are advertised as “Looking for a full time associate in a busy office”. Yeah it’s busy but just for the owner. You’ll be in your office watching YouTube vids most of the time in these jobs.
  9. Where do you see this? Please provide a link. I have never seen that.
  10. No limit, more and more each year. They opened up a testing centre in Hong Kong for crying out loud. Pretty much a career path for many dental students in India is to get your BDS in India without ever having the intention to practice in India. I.e there are a lot of students in India getting their BDS just so they can write the equivalency exams and practice here. The intention of the equivalency exams should have been to allow Canadian citizens with international dental degrees (refugees, long time immigrants) who are already living in Canada an alternative pathway (from the 2 years of dental school) to practice dentistry in Canada. Instead the program has opened the flood gates to Canada. According to payscale.com the average salary of a dentist in India is 5-6k Canadian YEARLY. Compare that to the Canadian average. They would be stupid to not take the equivalency exams and move here.
  11. There will certainly be a big shift in the next 10 years. Internationally trained dentist (trained outside of US, Aus, NZ) numbers only recently reached appreciable numbers (200+ yearly) in 2014 so we have yet to see the effects yet. The US will likely see a flood of Canadian new grads in the next decade since they may have problems with saturation but theirs is mainly driven by new schools opening. But still the number of new schools in the US opening maybe increased the new grad numbers by 10-20% at most. The changes here in Canada has increased the new grads by almost 100% since 2011. 600 (2011) vs 1100 (2018). I agree that the US is the only country we should have an equivalency agreement with because: 1. Since the very beginning we have been exchanging professionals. A ton of Canadian dentists practicing I n the US for many many decades. 2. Their schools are comparable to Canadian schools in terms of standard. 3. Its the only agreement that is mutually beneficial. As mentioned earlier, a lot of Canadian grads in the US and a lot of US dentists in Canada. So the flow is both ways.
  12. Insurance companies own practices? Are you sure? I’ve never heard this. Could you name a corporation owned by insurance? As far as I know, delta dental doesn’t own any practices. Not questioning your knowledge, I am just dumbfounded that I haven’t heard of it.
  13. Yes some states do allow non-dentist to own a practice, there is ever increasing stress from insurance companies to reduce reimbursement rates but it’s kinda like a pick your poison when it comes to US vs Canada. I think the situation in Canada will become so bad in the next 10years that the problems US dentists have with insurance will seem like a cake walk compared to the extreme over saturation we will have in Canada through the equivalency process.
  14. I am not entirely sure if this is true but the equlivalency process is associated with the Canadian Dental Accrediation Agency since they are responsible for accreditation. Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada 1815 Alta Vista Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3Y6 Tel.: (613) 523-7114 Toll free: (866) 521-2322 Email: cdac@cda-adc.ca Going to the US might become a very attractive option for Canadian trained dentists in the future since they ONLY approve licenses to dentists graduating from accredited programs hence Intertnationally trained dentists are unable follow suit. In fact many Canadians trained in the US are deciding to just stay in the US. Some states accept the NDEB written exam and OSCE for licensure such as Colorado and Washington state. Given of course that you have graduated from an accredited school as determined by the American licensing bodies such as the ADA.
  15. Yes absolutely. GPs are already doing wisdom teeth, implants, IV sedation. OMFS will likely be hardest hit, maybe endo and ortho (with the yearly increasing indications for clear aligners) after. Perio would be hit by less implants referred out. Even pediatrics may be hit with more sedation on kids...but it takes some balls to sedate kids imho. But I always wonder why dentistry in Canada decided to open its borders to the WORLD. And when the equlivency process will end. Because it was available many years ago but shut down for a good while and then came back up. Correct me if I’m wrong
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