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  1. If anyone would like to get together to prepare for the CARS and the psychology/behavioural sciences sections I'd be happy to meet at a cafe somewhere or on campus at UBC.
  2. You're right about the tuition and SES. This is undeniable. However there are other factors I meant. First not all international medical schools have insanely high tuition. Australia and Ireland, yes, but Poland for example is probably comparable to the cost of U of T. Also many who do go abroad are non traditional and had other careers/savings/spouses who are willing to support them. Banks do offer lines of credits for international medical schools, however, these often require a co-signer who is willing to put up collateral. So some parents will stick their necks out. https://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010_CSA_Report/CaRMS_2010_CSA_Report.pdf Please scroll to slide 22 for the relevant data. Keep in mind this was a survey conducted in 2010 but it gives you a general idea. Bank loans/personal savings/and government grants make up large portions regarding how CSA's finance their education.
  3. That makes sense, I agree with you to an extent. Good study habits/self discipline is crucial to academic success, whether one is in medical school or not. The extremely high attrition rates in Caribbean medical schools for instance is probably a reflection of the quality of candidates they accept (I mean for profit diploma mills let's be honest what can we expect?). However life is unpredictable and circumstances that impact a persons ability to do exceedingly well in undergrad do occur. I won't get into my own personal story but there was a family related matter that significantly impacted me, and as a result, my education. I have doubts about getting into a Canadian medical school now because of my lowish A- average and lack of a full course load outside of my final year. So I have seriously considered taking the Irish or Australian route despite the challenges of coming back (I'd probably just study for the USMLE's if I did this). But surely you understand why I might be sympathetic to those who decide to pursue this avenue? I definitely think that there are different types of candidates who go outside of Canada for medicine, I wouldn't characterize all of them as being low quality. After all, some have competitive stats but did not have luck here.
  4. Haha, the main point I was making is that some of the schools Canadians attend outside of Canada are world class and provide an excellent medical education. I routinely see Canadian med students bash CSA's/question their credentials and education which I think is pretty shortsighted.
  5. Very true. Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong but you probably have a greater chance at certain schools if you live in the Yukon! It's a very different situation nowadays compared to the past.
  6. Yeah seriously....doesn't this amount to about 19% of the class going unmatched? That is worrisome for a Canadian medical school. While I understand what you are saying, and I mean fair enough, there are some things I would like to point out. First, getting into medical school in Canada is extremely difficult. Much harder than the United States (I have American friend's who got into state MD schools with a GPA of around 3.5 and an average MCAT for example). Most of the time you need grades in the A to A+ range to have a real good chance in Canada. Having high standards is good. However, this could be viewed as problematic because people from higher socioeconomic backgrounds will be at an advantage. Medical school here often requires tons of EC's, research, etc. People who don't need to work and/or take care of someone else can dedicate much of their time to handling a difficult full course load. They can afford tutors to guide them through material they might be struggling with. They don't need to worry about rent, tuition, etc. Not having to work means more free time to pursue activities medical schools will look upon favourably and by default most likely tilt the chances in their favour. So Canadians who go abroad to Ireland, Australia, or wherever because they truly feel medicine is their calling , I can sympathize with. Telling people to pick an alternate career over medicine because they are not having any luck with getting in here, or telling them to keep applying year after year after year until they find themselves in their late 20s or early 30s is brutal. I see this frequently on the forums and it's incredibly premature. My position is that Canadians who decide to go abroad for medicine, not the Caribbean diploma mills, but Irish schools or maybe Aussie schools (University of Melbourne was ranked #17 I believe worldwide for medicine last I checked) and actually do well and finish the program, then they likely would have done just as well in a Canadian medical school. It's not right to consider them as "lesser" just because they are IMG's in the match.
  7. Thank you for sharing this. Great read and basically sums up exactly how I feel about these sorts of things. Sanfilippo also highlighted as issue I never even thought about and that is the divulging of information after signing a non disclosure agreement. If someone is basically offering insider information about the process for let's say $400, well, what an ethical dilemma. They are essentially saying their integrity is worth that much. And most of these people are medical students or residents. What about if they are in a clinical situation which involves preserving confidentiality or patient information/privacy? Would their integrity all of a sudden not be for sale or would they give in for a dollar amount? Or what about if they are asked to endorse certain medications which might have serious side effects? It's not a secret the pharmaceutical industry has bribed physicians in the past. What a time to be alive. I mean, just look at this stuff. "We are trying to offer authentic tips and information that isn't found online or in other prep courses." Yeah, maybe it's not supposed to be found online for a reason pal.
  8. These services are scams that often charge ridiculous amounts of money for advice you could probably get for free on SDN, Premed101, or by participating in MMI prep groups often formed on facebook by applicants who were invited for an interview. The process of getting into medical school is simple. The better your grades, EC's, and MCAT are the better chance you have. Paying some company who offers to "review" your application is a waste of money. But of course, where there is an opportunity to make money people will flock to it right?
  9. This is disgusting. All you're doing is essentially capitalizing on the fears, hopes, and dreams of students who will probably throw a bunch of money at you in the naive hope that they are able to somehow get ahead in this rat race. Nice job promoting yourself. Totally pathetic, maybe you should have gone to business school.
  10. Don't get your hopes up too much. Both your GPA and CARS are below the average you need. But if you can bring it up to a 3.6+ and get 130+ on CARS you have a much better shot. Consider also taking a 5th year perhaps and make sure you take full course loads so you meet the weighing forumlas for other schools. Honestly your GPA is salvageable just work hard. And I know what you mean. It can be disheartening comparing your stats to others and the whole process has become a rat race. But there is nothing you can do except do your absolute best and try to get in after a few cycles. If you think medicine isn't the career for you, keep your options open, but as I said to someone else on this forum before, if you don't have any luck at Canadian med schools, consider applying to the US, and possibly international schools in the UK or Ireland and Australia. Seriously everyone makes a huge deal about it but the whole IMG terror thing is completely overblown. As long as you don't go to some no name school in the Caribbean you're fine. The UK/Ireland/Australian schools have a very good education that is on par with the Canadian system. These are medical schools in first world countries vs diploma mills in developing nations. The only thing is you need to be very flexible when it comes to where you will settle down for at least 8-10 years. If you do in fact go overseas write the USMLE and apply broadly to residency spots in Canada and the USA and the country you studied medicine in. Australia is relatively friendly/accommodating towards foreign med students but Ireland and UK is a bit harder without an EU passport. But bottom line is you'll probably end up practicing medicine somewhere as long as you're not trying to get into an ultra competitive specialty like neurosurgery. So if you truly feel that medicine is the only thing you see yourself doing, your stats are fine for a school overseas. I wish you the best of luck and much success. Work hard and don't give up.
  11. Admittedly that is why I am attracted to medicine. I am a sick, twisted individual and enjoy psychologically tormenting myself by working long hours and getting burnt out. I'm not kidding either.
  12. It's like a mild, slightly smug, condescending god complex lol. To the OP, honestly, just do a second degree. Do sciences and do good on the MCAT so you at least know you have the aptitude for the technical aspects of medicine and if you still feel that medicine is the only thing for you and you can't get into a Canadian school, look into international schools in the UK or Ireland and Australia. The whole IMG terror thing is seriously overblown. You just need to be very flexible in where you can settle down. If you go overseas make sure you write the USMLE and apply to residency spots in both Canada, and the USA and even in the country you studied med in (Aus is pretty friendly towards foreigners, Ireland/UK is a bit harder) but bottom line is you'll probably end up somewhere as long as you're not gunning for some ultra competitive specialty.
  13. Tell me about it. A friend of mine lives in what is essentially a rodent infested box. The place I live in now is clean, quiet and relatively close to work/school, no way I'm going through the long uncertain process of trying to find a new place again. I'm not taking a full course load. I'm taking 4 in each semester (24 credits) which is technically considered a full course load for U of C but not any schools in Ontario as far as I know. Congrats on getting in, it does give me hope that someone in a similar situation did but ultimately GPA is king and it's going to be an uphill battle I think. Most of my semesters have been either 3 or 4 courses. I think I only have one with 5.
  14. Thanks yeah he was, I explained to him about my family circumstances too and things and he was sympathetic to my situation but it's seriously taking a toll on me. I doubt I'll get into medical school in Canada because I can't dedicate all my time to academics like some other people who are in a better position. UBC med is where I'd like to go but I have a 81% average and it could drop since this semester has been bumpy. I don't even want to convert that average to an OMSAS GPA. Probably horrible. I live in Vancouver the housing situation here is ridiculous and finding a new/cheaper place is literally impossible. As far as being a student goes I won't find better/cheaper housing than my current situation and that's a fact unless I am willing to move 2 hours away and then I'll have to commute 4 hours back and forth everyday for school/work which would not help at all.
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