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  1. Senseless and horrifying. Too often people forget about just how much violence doctors, nurses and other medical professionals can face.
  2. Not a debate I'm going to continue here. If you want to start a thread specifically for this topic be my guest otherwise I'd suggest you go back to /sci/.
  3. Casper is a psychological, situational judgement test used to determine applicant characteristics. It does act as a filter because those who possess traits that would be problematic in medicine are more likely to do worse and thus not proceed to interview. It is also predictive of success in medical school. I'm not going to argue with you, this isn't the thread for this debate as pointed out earlier.
  4. I would stick with the BBA! Your undergrad program doesn't really matter as long as you have prerequisites where applicable and are able to write the MCAT (which like Meridian said you can self study for/take a prep course) and also a full course load. You can also audit science classes to help you grasp the material. Now if you want to go to school in the USA, it's a bit of a different story cause all of those schools require a lot of pre reqs, but not in Canada. It's good to have a back up plan too in case med doesn't workout, and a BBA is pretty solid. You'll be able to find a job easier than say a BSc in Biology most likely. Good luck!
  5. Of course, this isn’t a discussion for the thread.
  6. Actually yes. There really is no point in you saying you're at a top 5 prestigious medical school while McMaster is ranked at 77th. If you didn't intend to minimize McMaster's standing you would not have even mentioned this. It is completely irrelevant. Additionally you consistently bring up how prestigious these ranking groups are without any consideration for the fact that they might be biased. There is actually a fair amount of controversy over how they rank universities. Just google it there are plenty of articles and a few studies out there. Your point that "residency directors of top specialities in Top 10 universities pay close attention to these rankings when they are selecting their students" is also irrelevant. It actually showcases how they themselves are a bit biased haha. Yes just pick the applicants whose parents paid for their $400,000 USD medical school tuition right? So at least to the vast majority of the people on this forum who are Canadian, this is not something that matters. The top 10 medical programs in the world are mainly American. Additionally a lot of medical students are not going to be interested in highly competitive residencies at Ivy league institutions. Many opt to go into primary care specialties anyway. Your belief that someone with a 4.0 and 520 MCAT is entitled to an interview is just where we are going to have to agree to disagree I'm afraid. Just because someone has a 4.0 and 520 does not actually mean they are "more qualified" to go into medicine. If you truly think that you must have perfect academic scores to be qualified to go into medicine I think that is worrisome. There is a lot more that goes into what makes someone a good physician. MCAT performance isn't really a good predictor of clinical skills/residency performance. From the research I have read on the topic, the MCAT is a weak predictor of performance on USMLE Step 1. Overall I have no issue with McMaster's admissions process. If you look at the statistics they release you would see that many of the people they admit have GPA's of 3.8+ which is very good.Those with lower GPA's usually compensate with a higher CARS score and solid Casper performance. It is fair. This segues well into one of your other points. By omitting EC's and research from the assessment criteria, McMaster is actually creating a more equal process. Not everyone (especially those from lower SES backgrounds) have the same opportunities to pursue impressive feats like volunteering for a noble cause abroad or creating a charity to help impoverished children. It also prevents someone fabricating activities and inflating their hours which absolutely does happen. CARS is the section that non native English speakers struggle with no doubt. But there have been candidates admitted to McMaster who were in the same boat as you. So it's not impossible at all. But yes it's true that one will need to work harder to improve their score. This would be the equivalent of me going to France for medical school. Despite speaking ok French (as it is my second language that I learned in school) I would struggle with their admissions tests. Would I claim that their tests are unfair? Probably not, I'd just have to work twice as hard to better my language skills. Again, CARS tests deductive reasoning/logic. Casper is more of a suitability measure that tests emotional maturity and people skills. A lot of prep companies (but not all) capitalize on the fears and insecurities of students. You can probably find a prep company for any test. Whether an applicants improved scores can really be attributed to a prep company or the sheer amount of extra time they put in studying themselves is debatable. I have known people who hired prep companies and still did not improve much. Your last point about the financial conflict of interest has some merit but does not negate the validity of Casper. One of the people who founded Altus, Harold Reiter is also the man who helped create the MMI process. He's an expert when it comes to creating assessment tools for applicant selection. To an extent Casper is sort of like that. Its job is to filter people who possess characteristics that could be problematic in medicine. McMaster is not the only school to use it. More and more schools are adopting the Casper, and with good reason.
  7. I don't understand the point of this post. You're already a medical student, why bother? It reads like someone who still holds a bitter grudge. McMaster have been doing things their way for decades and are a pretty revolutionary school (for example, they were the first to implement PBL which is used all over the world now, probably at your school too). CARS tests deductive reasoning which is a crucial skill to possess in medicine (it's not just memorization) and Casper is more of a filter test. They want to get a general idea of what the applicant is like. It makes lying on an application harder because they don't care if you created some charity or pumped out 100 research articles before the end of 1st year (I'm looking at you son of that rad onc). Also FYI academic institution rankings don't mean anything. It is more to do with the research they pump out. I know of people currently studying medicine at the University of Melbourne & University of Sydney in Australia, both great schools that are ranked as being 17th & 18th in the world for med by QS World University rankings. But they are there because they could not get into a Canadian school with their lower (albeit still fine) stats. I know for a fact they would have been grateful to get into Saskatchewan or Manitoba (which ranks waaaay further down, something like between 400-450 I think). They are shelling out over 350k to attend big name institutions that do a lot of research and are more forgiving to international applicants with lower stats because they are full fee paying. So again, ranking doesn't mean anything. Bashing McMaster for being ranked 77th really isn't doing you any favours. Also the fact that you think applicants with a 4.0 and 520 MCAT are entitled to an interview is concerning. No one is entitled to an interview. People with a wide variety of stats and life experiences bring a lot to medicine.
  8. I might be misinformed but to my understanding it’s only a very small handful of schools who view best/last 2 years? And there will be many other excellent applicants, some of whom have also done a second degree. No matter how you spin this, no one really has a great chance here. Doing another 2 years for a few Canadian schools IS a gamble itself. OP is close to finishing a PhD (and has an impressive CV), and has already scored highly on the MCAT. So it’s not really a matter of competence. Scientific aptitude is clear. Going back to undergrad is a waste of 2 years. I agree about the limitations on specialty. If OP is aiming for something competitive like derm or surgical specialties, I don’t think going international is a great idea. At all. However having a PhD adds weight to an application especially in a place like Australia where the system of internship/specialty training is structured differently ( a lot of domestic grads there do additional degrees/research in order to get into competitive specialties). If OP is interested in primary care specialties there is no doubt he/she will get one somewhere. Overall this is one of the very, very few cases where I think the IMG route is fine if one is realistic about the outcome. Fuelling false hope that OP might be one of the lucky few who gets into med school in Canada isn’t healthy. For every non trad who did a second degree and got accepted, there were many others who were rejected. I credit those who persevere but some people don’t want to put their life on hold for 5 or 6 cycles.
  9. I think it’s a complete insult to someone of your caliber to say go back to undergrad. If unsuccessful in the US I would recommend looking at research heavy/high tier medical schools in Australia (Melbourne and U Syd specifically), Ireland (RCSI), and the UK. While yes there are some challenges with residency, someone with your CV would likely land a residency in the USA with decent USMLE scores. The cost will be high though. In the grand scheme of things however, tuition would probably be comparable to some US MD schools.
  10. Then you have 0 chance at getting into a Canadian medical school, US MD school or DO school and will probably need to go down to the Caribbean. A masters will do very little for you. Even better international options like the UK/Ireland and Aus would probably be a lot harder with a 2.7.
  11. I would apply one more time in Canada. If you got into an Australian school this year you will probably get into one next year too. Applying in Canada one more cycle would be worth it to avoid the headache of being an international med grad. Does your family know that it is a very complicated process to come back to Canada and most Canadians either stay in Australia or go to America? Because that is the reality of the situation.
  12. I agree a lot with YesIcan55. If you have only applied twice in Canada then you should not go the IMG route. Apply 3 or 4 times minimum before you go off on that path. With that being said if you are still insistent I would choose to go to Australia. I also have an EU citizenship but it doesn't matter anymore because Ireland changed the rules. Contrary to what people have said the internship crisis in Australia has actually been largely fixed but 4 years from now you can't know what will happen. In NSW this year only 5 international medical graduates did not receive an internship. So the statistics are somewhat favourable https://www.heti.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/485002/Annual-Report-for-Medical-Graduate-Recruitment-for-the-2019-Clinical-Year.PDF You really need to be realistic about your odds of matching back to Canada though. They are not good and you should be ready to write the USMLE's in order to apply to the USA and/or get ready to stay in Australia. Out of all the Canadians (32 total) who applied through CaRMS, barely more than half matched back. And you also need to be realistic about which specialties you will likely be able to enter. Unless you have some amazing luck or connections you are pretty much limited to primary care specialties such as pediatrics, family medicine, internal medicine, and psychiatry. I think pathology is also pretty popular for IMG's actually, at least in the USA, according to the NRMP data http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Charting-Outcomes-in-the-Match-2018-IMGs.pdf. Residency in Australia for internationals is not impossible, but you should be prepared to work in a rural area, probably in Northern Territory. If you do your residency in family medicine though, the process of coming back to Canada is actually pretty straightforward as there are reciprocity agreements between the Canadian and Australian royal colleges. You would not have to "redo" residency or anything like that. Regardless though, if you do this, you need to realize that you will essentially have very little control over where you will live/work for the next 10 years. There is a very real possibility that you won't match in the USA or Canada, and it will be very expensive. You need to weigh just how much you want medicine and why.
  13. Sure I'd be happy to! Just let me know what the best way to get in touch with you guys is.
  14. I'm also a psych student, in a similar boat. I opted to personally skip taking orgo and biochem mainly just because I don't want to risk bringing my GPA down. I wouldn't be able to fit them into my course schedule anyway if I want to graduate on time. Self studying/ possibly hiring a tutor/prep course is the way I'm planning to go about it although they are expensive and I'm really on the fence about it. I've been told by quite a few people that the MCAT doesn't have a ton of orgo on it and biochem is way more important to focus on. Unless you are planning on applying to US MD schools or the few Canadian schools that have pre-reqs I don't think it's a must to take orgo/biochem.
  15. Congrats dude, really inspirational. Reading non trad success stories gives the rest of us in a similar boat a lot of hope. And now you don't need to worry about going to Australia ;)
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