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  1. Interesting. Those are low scores. Not even a pass for the Step 1. Your only shot really would be a 4y at that stage, which handicaps you further in terms of the number of programs available to apply to. Not sure what program that is or if they already did non-cat year(s), but that is not an anecdote to use as a bench mark for sure. There are many US applicants with scores in the 70s that go unmatched. Anecdotally, when I was interviewing some years back (12 programs), I'd say the large majority of applicants were in the 70s. The few Canadians I met along the interview trail were either in the upper 70s of 80+; some of them didn't match. Just something to consider.
  2. I'm a midlevel OMFS resident at a MD-integrated 6 year program in the states and went to a US dental school. I was accepted to both UofT and Western in my application year but decided to head down south, and I don't regret it at all. I can tell you that many people I know that went to Western and UofT have struggled to match to OMFS. Most are stuck doing multiple non-cat years or just gave up. Your overall chances of matching to a US OMFS program out of a US dental school are better than from a Canadian dental school (though its still super difficult right now to match w/o US citizenship or permanent residency. You need to crush the CBSE). For the most part, OMFS programs in the states will expose you to a much broader scope of OMFS, in additional to exposing you to fellowship opportunities. This is not taking into consideration dental school tuition fees, which can be a deterrent to come to the states.
  3. 1. Not hard to extern as a Canadian at all. Look into programs you are interested in externing at and email them about their policy on non-US citizens. Typically, programs aren't too strict about citizenship stuff for externships. It can be an issue for actual residency for sure down the road. 2. Yes. It's essentially a necessity to do externships (~5weeks at 2-3 different places) for OMFS applications. Id try to extern at least some places (if not all) in the US just to demonstrate that you are willing to come south of the border. Also, for the most part, you'll find you can expose your self to a much more broader scope of OMFS in the USA. That's not a knock on Canadian programs, just how it is based on pt population. 3. I mean exactly that. It's hard to get hospital privileges in Canada (hard to be able to do OR procedures in a hospital) after completing OMFS in the USA. Not sure how it is if you do a program in Canada. Typically, the people that go back to Canada stick to private practice. 4. You have to take the Comprehensive Basic Sciences Exam (CBSE) which is administered by the NBME for OMFS applications. People typically take it during their 2nd or 3rd year of dental school. It covers the same material as the USMLE Step 1, but is half the length. The score on that is very important for OMFS application, if not the most important thing. I discuss it in some detail in a previous posts. If you match to a 6y MD-integra ted program in the US, you will also need to take the Step I, Step 2 CK, Step 2 CS, Step 3 exams as well; but at that point youjust need to pass things and the scores themselves don't matter much. I don't know what tests you have to take for Canadian OMFS applications, since I never applied to any.
  4. I would agree with that. 75 is probably a better goal. It’s getting harder and harder to match at a Canadian to OMFS and the CBSE are trending upwards. Anecdotally, of the Canadians that I know that matched over the past 5 years, average CBSE was ~78.
  5. I can only speak for OMFS, but I don’t know of any programs or heard of any programs cherry picking the last two years. Also, for most schools your GPA is pretty much determined after the first ~2 years, at least the bulk of it. For OMFS applications to the US, a GPA >3.85 and a CBSE >70 are pretty much a nessesity for Canadians applying to OMFS.
  6. Its not that competitive in the US at least. People tend to match to it pretty easily (one person from my graduating class matched with a GPA in the low 3s). It also isn't a highly sought out specialty these days. Only 2 people applied to it from my graduating class some years ago (compared to the 15+ that applied to ortho, 10+ for OMFS, etc). Also, 100 applications for 3 spots isn't really considered competitive. You need to consider the total number of spots in the country available for that specialty. As a comparison, most OMFS programs are receiving 300+ applications for ~2-3 spots. Anecdotally, this past interview cycle at the program I'm training at we had 317 applications for 3 spots. So its all relative. I'm not saying you can stroll into perio programs, but its far from the most competitive and can end being the most expensive. I have no intention of turning this into a OMFS vs Perio pissing contest.
  7. It probably depends on the specialty. Some are more competitive than others. I'd assume Ortho, OMFS are pretty competitive. I don't know anything about Endo. Perio I'd assume is not very competitive.
  8. Yup, so really its just the 6y programs that will look at your UG grades. For many programs, the MD admissions committee is a part of the selection process from the start; sometimes they interview applicants on interview day. But, no I don't think you would be held to the same standard. Some programs probably do have a minimum, but I'd still assume that they'd care way more about the CBSE since its obviously a much better indicator of your ability to pass the the Step 1 and a more recent refection of your work ethic.
  9. Just bumping this so people can ask questions here rather than PM-ing me.
  10. There is more of an opportunity to specialize especially in some of the more competitive specialties. Additionally, the training you get within those specialties tends to be a wider scope of training than one would get in most Canadian programs; at least from an OMFS perspective.
  11. Nope. Enjoy your time right now. Once dental school starts pace yourself and do well in dental school courses. No need to worry about OMFS stuff at this point. D1-2: Do well in dental school. Shadow here and there at your local OMFS dept and hospital to get a feel of things. D2-3: Study hard and do well on the CBSE (70+). This takes presendece over shadowing and any other extracirriculars. D3-4: Look into and do some exterships. A total of ~5 weeks is a good number. D4: Interview. Match.
  12. Yeah, something along those lines of visa first then GC. Tbh I'm not totally familar with the procress, but many people have got it done in the past w/o issue. Some programs offer the TN or H1B during residency which is a bit of a bonus. I'm just focusing on residency as this point.
  13. Yes and No. There is really no answer to this question. Certain dental schools tend to pump out a lot of people that go into specialties. The age old question is: Do these schools just attract people interested in specializing from the outset? Personally, just based on the way programs directors and faculty speak about certain schools, I do believe there is a certain edge (minimal), but its all heavily debated. I feel that school name helps an applicant that already has a solid application; it just adds that "extra punch", if you know what I mean. You'll see in the interviews, schools like Harvard, Columbia, UPenn, UCLA etc. will dominate the applicant pool. It's really hard to dismiss the sheer number of students those schools put in OMFS interviews and subsequently, residencies . That being said, there are always applicants from all over the country, but the aforementioned pattern is hard to miss. I know that really does not answer your question, but that's the best I can do. A seperate issue entriely is that fact that Columbia has med school classes to start, which can be helpful when it comes time to taking the CBSE. A caveat: People tend to put more of an emphasis on than I think it deserves. I went to a dental school with no medical school cirriculum and a bunch of us crushed the CBSE. In the end you'll have to study hard+smart regardless and the high scores will be those that are able to do that, not what school they went to.
  14. Id agree that an 80 would truely make you a competitive applicant as a Canadian. Some places, regarless of your CBSE score wont invite you for the interview due to their hospital policy regarding dishing out visas. With regard to the international vs Canadian, I'd say that most of the internationally trained dentists are matcing into 4y programs. Their visa issues are far more complicated than a Canadians. With Canadians, its more of a formailty, just an expensive and annoying formaility from the programs perspectve. So I'd venture to think that Canadians have a better shot at 6y programs than other internationally trained people. From my application year, I remeber meeting a couple other Canadians along the interview trail. We all had above 80 on the CBSE, 3.9+ GPA, and Top 10%. (not saying that is totally nessesary but thats just how it was my year).
  15. Yes, many porgrams will look at undergrad grades, but may not put that much of an emphasis on it. It just differs from program to program. I know people that have matched to 6y programs with less than ideal undergrad GPAs. Mediocre undergrad grades should not deter you from applying to a 6year program. It can potentially help your application if it is OMFS related. Likely not going to be a game changer, unless is was major reserach that you pressnted at AAOMS and won awards for, etc. The way I see it, only do research if you like reserach. I don't particularly enjoy reserach, so I didn't do it during dental school. Don't force yourself and reluctanctly do dentinal tubule research during dental school becasue you think it'll help your OMFS application. It won't; It may hurt it. OMFS applications aren't like ortho or peds where extracirriculars and volunteering play a major role. Program directors have different criteria they each look for, but for the most part, the CBSE currently remains the most important thing on your application. And the SDN forums will say that a 65+ is competetive, but as a Canadian applicant you want to aim for at least a 70, ideally higher. With immigration/visa issues creeping in with the new POTUS, programs really need a good reason to rank you highly and deal with the heachache of establishing your visa (especially with 6y programs). You need to stand out from the rest. It is an uphill battle. If your school is P/F and/or has no rankings, there is that much more empahsis being placed on the CBSE. And your CBSE score will then in turn be compared to the fellow applicants from your school. In short, crush the CBSE (and dental school class if graded). Everything else is secondary.
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