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  1. Each school should have their own acceptable courses based on which undergrad you are going/went to. I recommend reaching out to each school you are applying to. I emailed western and they gave me 3 possible combinations of courses they would accept from my undergrad to serve as my biochem prerequisite.
  2. Historically yes to 18-19 as an RC cutoff. My guess is scoring below 18 on any section puts you in hot water. Last year they changed their website to say they look at all sections instead of being more specific.
  3. I see your logic as well. I guess it depends on the applicant. If your stats are stellar than I completely agree. For applicants who are on the low end of Western's competitive numbers then you're not even close to the competitive range to be an out of province candidate elsewhere. If this is you and your goal is to get in first round to not delay 100K salary, I would look into applying to other schools that you have an actual chance of getting accepted to like Canadian friendly US schools. All I'm saying is $1200 pays off only if you actually get in. I think applying to out of province schools for many people does not improve their chances at all because the threshold is so much higher as out of province.
  4. I'm going to have to disagree with @Mike Oxlong. The preference for in-province applicants at schools outside Ontario is so strong you have to be literally the best of the best out-of-province applicants they have just like you mentioned with Alberta. I think it is quite fair to say if you get into a dental school outside Ontario, you are also getting into Western or UofT. Some may be able to justify $200 (X8...) perhaps, but if your first choice is to stay in Ontario anyway I would save your money.
  5. The year's they use for GPA calculations are the years that need to be a full course load. Because Western is best two years applicants usually don't use their first year. For U of T you drop your worst year so if you dropped your course by default you would use years 2, 3, and 4 because this year wouldn't be viable. If you don't drop the course and get an F, you would hope that this year was your worst year that gets dropped anyway because you would no longer be competitive at least at U of T with on F on record
  6. I don't know too much about the NDEB equivalency process except the odds of passing all three exams is not in you favour https://ndeb-bned.ca/en/dental-programs/historical-pass-rates. I would look into applying to a Qualifying degree program at a Canadian dental school. This allows you to keep up with your clinical skills instead of waiting around for 2-3 years and gives any potential employers confidence in your abilities.
  7. After doing some quick searching the only Canadian schools that have Oral Medicine and Pathology are UBC and U of T. There are also 13 programs in the US. The programs range from 3-5 years and can be university or hospital based (tuition based and salary based respectively). I believe most pathology specialists are in hospitals. Also to note there are only ~300 oral pathology specialists in the US so for reference it is a very small field. Looking up oral pathology's average salary is a good starting point but internet reporting should always be taken with a grain of salt. If this is something you're passionate about pursuing I recommend finding an oral pathologists where you live and asking them to chat so you can have these questions answered by a person in the field.
  8. http://www.cda-adc.ca/cdacweb/en/international_professionals/ Here the CDAC specifies that reciprocity with Australia and subsequent countries is only for general dentistry (DDS/DMD). However they accept American accreditation: "For the purpose of certification and licensure in Canada, only programs that are accredited by either CDAC or the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation (CODA) are considered accredited" So I believe only specialty programs in the US or Canada are accepted.
  9. From what I remember there is no minimum GPA to apply. However, I was told by an Atlantic bridge representative that 3.3 is generally when GPAs start getting competitive. Personally, I was accepted to Cork's 4 year program with a 3.5 GPA and all the extra curriculars and rejected by Trinity. Didn't apply to Queen's Belfast because they are in the UK and so not part of the reciprocity agreement with Canada (important to keep in mind). While it doesn't hurt to apply, I truly think a 2.7 is too far below competitive to give you a real chance at these schools. If you are dedicated to becoming a dentist I would look into a masters degree and talk to an Atlantic bridge representative about how you can best improve your application in the eyes of the Irish school admissions teams.
  10. @Chaxon Your opinion that Canadian dental schools are the end all be all must rest on one or both of two conditions. The first, Canadians have the only applicants worthy of practicing dentistry at the highest standards. The second being Canadian dental schools have superior education. Without these your opinion is baseless. The standard of practicing in Canada is laid out clearly as graduating from an accredited dental school along with passing the national board exams and obtaining licensure to practice in Canada. These examinations are in place to ensure that students have been prepared to the standard of all Canadian dentists before the entering the profession in Canada. Every practicing Canadian dentist I have spoken to has agreed any dentist who has graduated from an accredited school is technically qualified. They hire their associates primarily on their demeanour for doctor patient interactions. There is no concern for their technical skills because the system has ensured they will not be able to practice in Canada without first obtaining the knowledge and skill to practice. If foreignly graduated students were not qualified they would not proceed beyond the examination and licensure process just the same as Canadian graduates. Now if we're talking about the caliber of that education, Canadian schools truly do not have much to hang their hat on. There is no indication that Canadian dental schools offer better education than the US, Ireland, Australia or New Zealand. No ranking available supports this. If anything, it is the opposite. (I definitely acknowledge rankings are somewhat flawed, but it is the only comparison tool available being anecdotal evidence). From my own anecdotal research, Canadian schools are struggling. If it is not enough funding for proper resources, it is lack of patients which leads to decreased clinical experience before graduation. If it is not their patient pool it is the dated curriculum design. The only thing special about Canadian schools is name recognition. Rejecting newly accredited schools because you haven't taken the time to learn about their programs is not a knock on them, but on you. I really see no basis in the claim that Canadian dental graduates should be the only dentists practicing in Canada because their merit warrants it. There is no basis because there is nothing extraordinary about the dentists they produce.
  11. 1. @maritimefarm is not wrong according to Western's website. OMFS's page says Canada or the US as they indicated. Their GPR says accredited North American schools. And their Ortho says Canada, US, Australia or Ireland. So clearly it is a program by program basis. Just because it is accredited does not mean the program will consider them for specialization. Details matter. 2. @Chaxon Going to the cheapest dental school for DDS/DMD does not mean you'll be the best applicant for specialization by any means. Everything before dental school that made you a good candidate for DDS/DMD means very little now. It is about how you succeeded and learned throughout dental school as well as the quality of education you had while at dental school. And let's just say cheap doesn't usually lead to quality education.
  12. Western is really looking for well rounded applicants. As long as you have a decent DAT and mid 80s GPA, then your stats are good enough to get an interview. However, you also need to make sure you have enough life experience to be able to fill out every section of the application thoughtfully. I suggest leadership experience, advocacy experience, dental shadowing or work experience, unrelated work experience, research (I disagree with toothurty, I think it helps to get wet lab experience), and experiences you are generally passionate about. The admissions team wants to see your passion and dedication to dentistry as well as see how you will contribute to the school upon matriculation. Western in not UofT where all they care about is numbers which is why you see a much more comprehensive admissions process and lower averages for their respective incoming classes.
  13. I'm looking to recent DDS/DMD graduates to provide some information on your experience looking for jobs in the big cities. -Has job hunting in big cities been competitive or is there a healthy balance of supply and demand? -Are you able to find positions with 4+ day work weeks? -What are the average salaries you're seeing in these cities (ideally at practices central enough to use subways)? -For those working in the city, are you living relatively comfortably (paying off loans, rent, living expenses with a surplus)? -Are there more associate positions with corporations than with mom and pop shops now?
  14. I had everything submitted including letters of recommendation by December 21st. I started the process by requesting my application December 7th, but supplemental forms and getting your references to send in their letters at this time of year is quite hectic so plan for that. They recommend completing your application before January 1st to be considered for first round acceptances.
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