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  1. Internationally trained dentists can apply to some GPRs (not sure exact numbers) in the US. Here's one example: https://dental.tufts.edu/academics/postgraduate-programs/pass-application
  2. Oh I don't doubt you can make big bucks in Canada. My only point was that on average dentists make significantly more in the US so having the US at your disposal is a significant pro. A similar rural vs city income dichotomy exists in the US except the whole scale is pushed higher relative to Canada, making city life less sacrificial compared to working in Canada's big cities. A lot of factors go into this a couple being saturation differences and less regulation in price guides. Again, whatever works for the individual. If you're willing to live and work wherever as long as that's where the money is you're going to be okay financially no matter where you go to school. If you have preferences then be informed by those preferences.
  3. Subscribing to the online version of the ADEA Dental school explorer ($25) is a good start: https://www.adea.org/officialguide/. It identifies which schools are "Canadian Friendly" (does the school itself consider itself Canadian friendly) and if they accept the cDAT. Important dates is best to get straight from the application service, AADSAS since it's a common application for all dental schools (the soft open for this cycle has already begun). In terms of advice on taking the American DAT, it's a personal choice. Most schools that you will have a good chance at as a Canadian will also accept the cDAT, but who knows if there is any internal bias against it or not. The major pro, other than being universally accepted by US schools, is that you can take it pretty much any time of year so you can better coordinate studying with school. Major con, it has more material (math, orgo) and if you already did well on the cDAT it might give you a worse score (however, I heard the cDAT question for question is harder). I used the cDAT and it turned out okay, but that is just one case.
  4. I agree with @JohnGrisham that Australia is generally cheaper than the US based on tuition. But you also have to look at the big picture. In Australia the programs are 5 years. That means one more year of accruing interest without making an income. Going to a US dental school also allows you the opportunity to work in the US, which is close to home and has a much higher average income for general dentists and specialists even before converting back into the Canadian dollar. (The most reputable stats from each country's dental association I could find are these: the mean income for general dentists is $140,000 CAD in Canada according to the president of the CDA in 2014 and the mean income for general dentists is $190,000 USD ($254,000 CAD) according to the ADA in 2018). Additionally, Australians are not allowed to apply to many US residencies as well as some Canadian programs so this limits your potential very early. So definitely weigh what you're willing to do to maximize your loan repayment: specialize? Work in the US for at least a few years? take longer to have student debt? It all depends on your preferences. Australia and the US are both good options. As for which schools you want to apply to in the US, you're in the right ballpark. Stick to schools that are private (public schools typically don't accept many if any international students), that accept the Canadian DAT (usually indicates they are serious about accepting Canadians) and do your best to research recent acceptance or matriculation statistics of Canadians at each school (lots of tables floating around different forums). Detroit Mercy, is consistently the second highest (25ish Canadians/year), and NYU being consistently the highest (35ish Canadians/year). While I understand your hesitation with NYU for cost issues, applying would be a great safety net if being accepted this cycle is important to you. It has a bad reputation for being expensive but I also see UOP on your list which has a higher tuition and is in San Francisco, another very expensive city. Specifically about NYU, while it's very controversial for its bottom line price tag and large class size cultivating a competitive environment, it has its benefits too. It has unique opportunities like an Invisalign CE course covered by tuition (that normally costs $1000 post grad) and generally has much more access to advanced technology and their venders, recruiters, and general networking. This is simply because venders and recruiters get a lot of bang for their buck by visiting such a big school. It obviously wasn't my first choice, but had it been my only offer I would have definitely taken it. There's a lot to consider, this is just what comes to mind for me.
  5. Hopefully some adjustments will be made with Covid in mind. Good luck to you and I hope to hear any updates with your situation!
  6. I'm not sure if this plays a role in the programs' inflexibility but the norm in the US is that you take NBDE part 2 between 3rd and 4th year and the continued expectation is that future students take the INBDE at this time as well. So from the programs' perspective most applicants should already have their boards completely done. It is not very collaborative of Canadian schools to restrict students writing their boards until it is too late
  7. To get my DENTPIN I was instructed to go to this site https://www.ada.org/en/education-careers/dentpin. If you click on "DENTPIN Registration" on the left hand side that should take you through all the steps. When I click through now it only has a statement about being a dental student which you can check off, which you wouldn't check off being a pre-dent. It is only when you check this off that it asks for your dental school info. Let me know if you're still having trouble.
  8. I agree with everyone above. Losing a year of dental tuition before starting med school will do way more damage than any part time job can come close to making up for. Assuming you stay in one program all 4 years and you manage your budget I think it is possible to also make extra cash on the side. I know students who work at gyms, the school library, and of course TA previously taken courses. If you are hankering for supplemental income I would suggest something where you can choose your own hours like teaching ESL online. This means no commitment so you are never stretched too thin. There are also lots of research positions you can aim for where most if not all of the work is in the summer. HOWEVER, any supplemental income should only be seen as easing current budget restrictions (ie dining out more, planning a trip, buying your favourite whatever, etc.). I would not look at it as going towards your debt because it truly won't make a dent. It should be for self care, which means working shouldn't come at the cost of stressing over time management for dental school. Hope this take on things is helpful
  9. Looking at my old application I just left it blank
  10. One American school's situation: At Tufts, 3rd and 4th years will be returning for clinic June 1st. 1st years are virtual for the fall semester (decided a while ago) and today we were told 2nd years will also be virtual. There's been a lot of pushback from students, but because the clinic will be operating at half capacity the 3rd and 4th years will need to utilize the preclinical areas as well (while maintaining proper social distancing). This means there simply will not be room for 1st and 2nd years. The hope is to front load didactic courses and dedicate the winter to hand skills courses. Other Boston schools have stated similar plans as I am sure most dental schools have or will too. There is an air of uncertainty with it all, but schedules are being finalized in June as the faculty have to start preparing for the Fall soon.
  11. I believe the Canada GPA adjustment you're referring to is actually the difference in percentage to letter grade conversion between the two countries. Because for example an 81% would be an A- --> 3.7 in Canada but a B- --> 2.7 in the US it would be unfair to convert your percentage using the US conversion table to calculate your GPA. So the "higher conversion" is using your Canadian school's conversion system to first calculate your letter grades and then GPA (I tried to exemplify this with a table below but UBC's conversion system may be slightly different than my own Canadian Undergrad). Because you fed the the GPA converter your letter grades, 3.51 should be your true GPA. My only clarification would be that the AADSAS application does not acknowledge an A+, meaning both As and A+s convert to a 4.0 GPA. Make sure your online converter takes this into account. I actually applied with exactly a 3.51 GPA and I have a copy of my AADSAS application which produced a breakdown of my GPA calculation, so if you have any questions feel free to message me. Letter Grade US Canada A+ >100 90 - 100 A 94 - 100 85 - 90 A- 90 - 93 80 - 84 B+ 87 - 89 77 - 79 ...
  12. I agree with others that being an incoming dental student you have to remember to take one step at a time. Everyone around me has said get through first year before you look to add to your plate. However, I understand the desire to do all that you can to set yourself up for success in the future. Once school starts for you there will likely be many "lunch and learns" on a variety of topics including specialties and building your own practice. These are good baseline introductions to material and to individuals you can reach out to and ask questions one on one. If you are looking to do more before matriculation I would try to reach out specialists and ask them to coffee (virtual or otherwise right now). While the more technical side of specialties may go over your head now, you can talk about everything else involved in specializing eg. what is your daily routine like, what do you think it takes to succeed in this specialty, what are the pros and cons, why did you pick this specialty, etc. And if they are recent graduates they can talk to you about their own residency experience and the application process. Most general and specialized dentists are sitting at home right now, so it might be a good time to set a virtual meeting up!
  13. The evaluation is to determine if you have enough of a science background to jump into the 4 year program instead of 5 year. If they don't believe you have enough of a foundation, you are automatically considered for the 5 year program. The 5 year program does not use the evaluation as a factor for admissions. I can't speak to if a couple topics will make or break your chances at the 4 year program. From my own experience I was able to put a course for every topic, so I know my experience isn't helpful. But at the end of the day it does not effect your chances at the 5 year program at all. I hope that's reassuring
  14. The boards are being integrated moving forward (not separated into 2 parts)! Also I just did a quick search and discovered Dalhousie is a location for the CDCA exam. Maybe this is going to become a trend at other Canadian schools as we see more collaboration with the US (eg. several schools joining the AADSAS application). This part is just speculation but there is a conversation going on about stopping patient based examinations due to the ethical implications, so things might be evolving in the future
  15. I agree your stats are enough to at least get an interview so it must come down to the subjective aspects of your application. U of T interview invites are so GPA heavy that it's a bit perplexing how you didn't even interview if there are accepted applicants with approximately the same stats. Because Western is more holistic the subjective side is likely the culprit for them. Are there any red flags you can think of? Perhaps a bad reference letter you weren't aware of, weak personal statement (rushed, unoriginal, bad intent), any issues from undergrad that may show up on your transcript, maybe a bad Casper score for U of T, or possibly even some social media red flag? Perhaps you over looked a prerequisite or didn't adhere to the full load requirements set by each school? Miscalculated your GPA conversions putting it lower than you thought? That's a lot of issues, going through them and using the process of elimination can help narrow your scope for improvement. It's a long shot but I would try to get in touch and ask admissions of each school directly what you can do to be a better applicant and better prepare yourself to be a successful dental student. Best case scenario, you know exactly what needs to be addressed. Worst case scenario, they know you're committed to dentistry and their school by showing continued interest.
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