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  1. After doing some quick searching the only Canadian schools that have Oral Medicine and Pathology are UBC and U of T. There are also 13 programs in the US. The programs range from 3-5 years and can be university or hospital based (tuition based and salary based respectively). I believe most pathology specialists are in hospitals. Also to note there are only ~300 oral pathology specialists in the US so for reference it is a very small field. Looking up oral pathology's average salary is a good starting point but internet reporting should always be taken with a grain of salt. If this is something you're passionate about pursuing I recommend finding an oral pathologists where you live and asking them to chat so you can have these questions answered by a person in the field.
  2. http://www.cda-adc.ca/cdacweb/en/international_professionals/ Here the CDAC specifies that reciprocity with Australia and subsequent countries is only for general dentistry (DDS/DMD). However they accept American accreditation: "For the purpose of certification and licensure in Canada, only programs that are accredited by either CDAC or the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation (CODA) are considered accredited" So I believe only specialty programs in the US or Canada are accepted.
  3. From what I remember there is no minimum GPA to apply. However, I was told by an Atlantic bridge representative that 3.3 is generally when GPAs start getting competitive. Personally, I was accepted to Cork's 4 year program with a 3.5 GPA and all the extra curriculars and rejected by Trinity. Didn't apply to Queen's Belfast because they are in the UK and so not part of the reciprocity agreement with Canada (important to keep in mind). While it doesn't hurt to apply, I truly think a 2.7 is too far below competitive to give you a real chance at these schools. If you are dedicated to becoming a dentist I would look into a masters degree and talk to an Atlantic bridge representative about how you can best improve your application in the eyes of the Irish school admissions teams.
  4. @Chaxon Your opinion that Canadian dental schools are the end all be all must rest on one or both of two conditions. The first, Canadians have the only applicants worthy of practicing dentistry at the highest standards. The second being Canadian dental schools have superior education. Without these your opinion is baseless. The standard of practicing in Canada is laid out clearly as graduating from an accredited dental school along with passing the national board exams and obtaining licensure to practice in Canada. These examinations are in place to ensure that students have been prepared to the standard of all Canadian dentists before the entering the profession in Canada. Every practicing Canadian dentist I have spoken to has agreed any dentist who has graduated from an accredited school is technically qualified. They hire their associates primarily on their demeanour for doctor patient interactions. There is no concern for their technical skills because the system has ensured they will not be able to practice in Canada without first obtaining the knowledge and skill to practice. If foreignly graduated students were not qualified they would not proceed beyond the examination and licensure process just the same as Canadian graduates. Now if we're talking about the caliber of that education, Canadian schools truly do not have much to hang their hat on. There is no indication that Canadian dental schools offer better education than the US, Ireland, Australia or New Zealand. No ranking available supports this. If anything, it is the opposite. (I definitely acknowledge rankings are somewhat flawed, but it is the only comparison tool available being anecdotal evidence). From my own anecdotal research, Canadian schools are struggling. If it is not enough funding for proper resources, it is lack of patients which leads to decreased clinical experience before graduation. If it is not their patient pool it is the dated curriculum design. The only thing special about Canadian schools is name recognition. Rejecting newly accredited schools because you haven't taken the time to learn about their programs is not a knock on them, but on you. I really see no basis in the claim that Canadian dental graduates should be the only dentists practicing in Canada because their merit warrants it. There is no basis because there is nothing extraordinary about the dentists they produce.
  5. 1. @maritimefarm is not wrong according to Western's website. OMFS's page says Canada or the US as they indicated. Their GPR says accredited North American schools. And their Ortho says Canada, US, Australia or Ireland. So clearly it is a program by program basis. Just because it is accredited does not mean the program will consider them for specialization. Details matter. 2. @Chaxon Going to the cheapest dental school for DDS/DMD does not mean you'll be the best applicant for specialization by any means. Everything before dental school that made you a good candidate for DDS/DMD means very little now. It is about how you succeeded and learned throughout dental school as well as the quality of education you had while at dental school. And let's just say cheap doesn't usually lead to quality education.
  6. Western is really looking for well rounded applicants. As long as you have a decent DAT and mid 80s GPA, then your stats are good enough to get an interview. However, you also need to make sure you have enough life experience to be able to fill out every section of the application thoughtfully. I suggest leadership experience, advocacy experience, dental shadowing or work experience, unrelated work experience, research (I disagree with toothurty, I think it helps to get wet lab experience), and experiences you are generally passionate about. The admissions team wants to see your passion and dedication to dentistry as well as see how you will contribute to the school upon matriculation. Western in not UofT where all they care about is numbers which is why you see a much more comprehensive admissions process and lower averages for their respective incoming classes.
  7. I'm looking to recent DDS/DMD graduates to provide some information on your experience looking for jobs in the big cities. -Has job hunting in big cities been competitive or is there a healthy balance of supply and demand? -Are you able to find positions with 4+ day work weeks? -What are the average salaries you're seeing in these cities (ideally at practices central enough to use subways)? -For those working in the city, are you living relatively comfortably (paying off loans, rent, living expenses with a surplus)? -Are there more associate positions with corporations than with mom and pop shops now?
  8. I had everything submitted including letters of recommendation by December 21st. I started the process by requesting my application December 7th, but supplemental forms and getting your references to send in their letters at this time of year is quite hectic so plan for that. They recommend completing your application before January 1st to be considered for first round acceptances.
  9. Don't forget that internationally trained dentists can then enter the international student track in Canadian dental schools. I believe you enter second year and there are slight variations in curriculum, but it's an option. So your training internationally + 3 years Canadians schools = Canadian practicing dentist in 7+ years
  10. If your 4th year is completed with grades on file at the time of submission, it would also be used. UofT is not best 2 years like Western. It is drop your worst year.
  11. I have a similar concern, but we won't truly know till we're chair-side working with patients. It's scary and exciting
  12. I'm in Toronto selling everything from my Princeton Review prep all together for $150 or best offer. Includes: -Cracking the DAT textbook (contains entire content of the DAT) -DAT Workbook (no answers filled out) -CDA DAT Preparation Manual -Unused Full Practice Exam -DAT Fundamentals In-Class Supplement (filled out) PM me if interested.
  13. More than just 1 or 2, but you're right in that schools that do not accept the Canadian DAT are mostly state schools thus heavily favour against out of state applicants let alone Canadian applicants so they are not worth applying to. In my opinion, writing the American DAT doesn't give you a significant advantage in broadening your pool of schools you would be applying to. Again, in my opinion the only reason to write the American DAT is the advantages of the test itself or if the typical "Canadian Friendly" schools are not options for you (eg. NYU, Rutgers, BU, Tufts, etc.). About the American DAT: - It is offered all year round which is great for studying schedules -There is 10 more minutes for RC still with 50 questions -From anecdotal evidence it seems to have "easier" questions (but that is up for debate) -The main caveat is there are two additional sections: Organic Chemistry and Quantitative Reasoning -It is also administered by computer (with a whiteboard for rough work) rather than on paper which comes down to personal preference
  14. The grade range is actually quite large at UWO going as low as 83. I think this person is referring to the hard cutoff of 80 to even apply. To that I am unsure, I would try emailing UWO directly. But it is important to recognize an 80 historically is not enough to get an interview (lowest has been 83 in recent years) even if your application is considered.
  15. I feel like this needs some background because this is certainly not the norm.
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