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  1. It's impossible to gauge your odds at Western without an MCAT score. Queens, with a decent MCAT, maybe, but it's a black box. UofC probably also decent. UofA may also be good, depending on your MCAT. It's extremely difficult to gauge your school choices without an MCAT. Sometimes someone's GPA closes doors (not in your case) but it's tough to say where you'd be competitive without an MCAT score.
  2. I have no skin in the USask Med game, but feel like we need to look at the facts. No school in Canada is an auto-admit school, this isn't Law, you could have great stats and still be rejected for a horrible interview. As far as Stats, go read the CMES 2018 report, Saskatchewan actually doesn't have the lowest admitted MCAT stats (they didn't report grades); it's the Maritime provinces(all 4 of them for the MCAT) . As far as the % admitted Sask isn't even the highest, it's NB>NWT>NFLD>NS>Yukon>PEI>Sask. So really, if you desperately want to find some MS1s/schools to bash (which you shouldn't do), look at the Maritimes... And yes, I know those schools look at ECs, but guess what, their stats are still lower, and acceptance rate higher, than USask. I think the numbers>hearsay/feelings. This whole perspective has a ring of "Me, me, me" that misses why schools have IP bias in the first place; for the good of the province, which isn't going to be "Fair" to everyone. Most provinces don't fund medical school seats out of the goodness of their hearts, or to provide some "lucky" individual a lifelong good income and secure career. They fund seats to provide Doctors for their province, from the most desirable cities to the fly-in fly-out communities. If I was a Saskatchewan/Manitoba/NFLD taxpayer and I knew that I was paying $10,000s (if not >$100,000) per medical student (through the course of their education) I wouldn't be happy to learn they were jumping ship as soon as they graduated. This also means if the UofS starts to notice a pattern of people going to Uni in Saskatchewan, then leaving after graduating Sask Med, their policies could change. Also, just as a FYI since people may not have this actively on their mind, what you write on the internet is forever and can be tied to you, so be mindful of saying anything that would be objectionable/unprofessional. If you've shared information on how your cycle went, more unusual (higher or lower) MCAT and GPA, etc, all can identify you to someone down the line.
  3. OMSAS uses a 4.0 system and you need to convert each course individually, so as annoying as it is, calculating your OMSAS gpa would be most useful.
  4. ^This, and how many courses you took/if you satisfied Western's 3/5 rule.
  5. I meant to write AQ, not NAQ, when comparing grades, to make the point that UBC actually cares more about grades than 3/5 Ontario schools. Not to be disagreeable or anything, but I have some issues with a few of these statements. 1. "Average ECs" is highly subjective. I don't consider myself a EC heavy applicant, but someone else might, so where I write "average ECs, some research, leadership, work, volunteering, blah blah blah" that could actually be a strong point. People are neurotic, they compare themselves to that UBC example and think "I've only held 3 club leadership roles, been a student union executive, a student athlete, worked a long-term great job, volunteered with 2-3 organizations long-term, and published once. I'm average". You really can't draw any conclusions from that kind of a statement. Posting one example from UBC doesn't really mean anything because it's an anecdote, n=1, with a 125 CARS score that blocks Alberta, Western, McMaster, and probably Queens. I could find someone attending one of those 3 Western schools with less impressive extracurriculars to make my point that it's not an EC=West, Grades=Ontario dichotomy. The process of EC evaluation is also subjective, so my ECs may click with one file reviewer at the UofC and lead to good scores there, while they may fall flat with someone at UBC or the UofA. I distinctly remember seeing a post in the UofA thread (which shares so little we don't really know how they evaluate) who said they had barely any hours and still got an interview (n=1). 2. Grades and the MCAT are different aspects. Ontario is variable, but there are a number of schools focused on the MCAT or its subsections (Western, McMaster, Queens). But even then, it doesn't really matter at 2/5 major schools (3/6 if you add in NOSM). On the GPA front, Western actually cares very little about your GPA, you need 2 3.7+ years that meet their rules, that's it. Ontario has a school for every kind of applicant, to use the old cliche; Queens for ECs, Toronto for research/graduate students, Ottawa for GPA, McMaster for CARS/CASPer, Western for the MCAT, NOSM for Indigenous/northern/rural. You can't lump them together as "Ontario schools". 3. "and of course not being strictly counted as OOP helps too." This really doesn't matter for Ontario. Moving to Ontario for an undergrad gives you a little edge at McMaster, but with ~5000 applications already, presumably overwhelmingly from Ontario, does it really make that big a difference? Somebody may have more stats on this. For questions like these numbers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>subjective thoughts. 4. UofC and older applicants. The interview/accepted thread is not a representative sample. I would wager the nature of this forum means you're more likely to see multiple-cycle applicants than in the overall applicant pool. I know a bunch of medical students who never looked at forums, applied to their home school (undergrad) and made it in first try. That's an anecdote, and so is the thread, with slightly different populations. I feel as if the mean is the least useful measure of central tendency here because of the nature of the application process. Look at the UofC applicant histogram I've attached. The youngest person applying is what, 19, and the oldest is 50+. You let in nine 21-yearolds and one 45 yearold and your average is 23.4. Those mature students can easily skew your mean. The admission age distribution has such a long right tail that your mean doesn't need to be near your mode (which is likely in that 21-23 area) so you can both be right since you're comparing the mode to mean.
  6. I'd have to respectfully disagree. For one, 2/5 of the "main" Ontario schools use a cutoff approach. Queens cuts the top 40%, hardly an aggressive cutoff, and Westerns 3.7 isn't bad. Yes, 2 schools use it competitively, but that's only 2/5. McMaster is a bit of a strange case with no drops, but it's only worth 33%. In contrast, your NAQ is 50% of your pre interview score at UBC. Leta also not lose sight of the fact that in Alberta A+/A=4, which isn't the case in Ontario. My OMSAS cGPA is lower than my Alberta GPA, and I have a bunch of A+s to minimize the gap. If all those A+s were As I'd have a substantial gap (>0.05 GPA points). Also, a 3.85/3.81 with a dropped year isn't comparable to a cGPA of 3.87 at McMaster.
  7. There's nothing stopping a BCer or Albertan from applying to Ontario schools, they don't need to meet any special cutoffs, and they are competitive provided their GPA and MCAT are high enough. On the other hand, an Ontarian needs higher grades/GPA to apply to these schools in the first place and competes in the smaller OOP pools (5-15% IIRC). I'm not sure how significant McMaster's limit on OOP interviews is considering they already get 5,000 applications, and SWOMEN is a very specific form of IP bias. The pools are also substantially smaller in both provinces. UBC gets 1471 IP applications for 266 seats. The UofA received 1516 (some OOP) applications, and sent out 161 acceptances, Calgary received 1203 IP applications for a class of what, 150? There's overlap in those 2 applicant pools as well. The competition is nowhere near as fierce. The average accepted MCAT for a BCer (probably at UBC) was a 513.45, an unsuccessful BCer, 506.26, an 8 point gap. In Alberta it's even worse, there's an almost 10 point average MCAT score gap for successful Albertans (511.71) and unsuccessful (502.72). What these numbers mean is that a substantial number of applicants in BC and Alberta have lower stats from the start, so the actual competitive pool is even smaller. For reference, the average rejected Ontarian has a 507.72 with a successful MCAT of 514.36 (minus a lot of scores admittedly, n=~250).
  8. Not to make OP feel worse, but the last year we have CMES data for says the Ontario average admitted MCAT was a 514 (128.65/127.77/128.94/129.00). From 2017/2018 with an incomplete dataset admittedly. Don't put too much stock into one bad test, 127 CARS is already decent, so you could rewrite and improve the other sections and be above average with less effort than someone starting fresh.
  9. The UofT wants to see: Where 0.5 credits=1 semester course. To be eligible for their wGPA you need: So no, you do not have full year by UofT standards. But this doesn't help you because if you're not eligible for wGPA you get hit with cGPA instead : They do offer this nugget of hope: But in the end, you need to take a step back. Your question has been answered; your application will be competitive for some Canadian schools if you do well over the next couple years. You may not be competitive at the UofT if they deem you ineligible for wGPA. Beyond this, don't put all your eggs in the Med basket, and especially don't put them in a single school as an Ontario applicant. Any Canadian med school is a Canadian med school. At the same time, you're just starting 2nd year. Read up on all the schools admission policies to see how you should structure your course registration to be eligible/if you're eligible and move on. Don't fixate on the process, or a single school now, it's just going to leave you "stressedout" unnecessarily. You're at least 2 cycles away, time changes policies (although this is unlikely to change weighting requirements). Explore backups and don't make yourself miserable with "what if" scenarios. EDIT. I just wanted to add that you should live life now. I focused so much on school/work/ECs the first 3 years it strained relationships with my family. People get way to into this process (myself included). I had a siblings friend (a first year, 2 months in!) ask me about MCAT studying (and my books...). Don't copy that mindset, focus on your nearest target (good grades) before your next target (MCAT) and further targets (Applying, getting in, etc...).
  10. Or they copied over the system from last year and neglected to change the formula. As a 4th year I really hope you're right and I'm wrong!
  11. That's your Undergraduate University's policy. The key part is Medical schools will see both attempts and include both grades, if not dropped as part of a weighting system. Take Ottawa Medicine for example: In the end, while your school's GPA may increase, your med GPA (which is often different) will not. Ottawa automatically only looks at 3 years, so your first year is fine, but other schools may include them, such as McMaster:
  12. Canadian schools don't do grade replacement. The number on your transcript will forever be the number on your transcript as far as they're concerned. Only repeat the courses you need to, ideally during the typical academic year to save time during the summers, and since some schools ignore summer courses. That being said, some schools have very generous weighting schemes, or will only look at your best/most recent 2 years. Nail every year moving onwards and you'll be competitive. Don't worry too much about a poor start, you're not alone, some schools will even let you write an essay explaining your poor first year and "I overcame my mental health issues" is more compelling than "High school was much easier". Good luck!
  13. It's done on a rolling basis. Mine has been up since the beginning of September.
  14. You can rule out Ottawa and likely Toronto, but there are Ontario schools that admit in that range. Don't give up on Ontario schools yet.
  15. He's lying by implying he has an ED entry to Harvard because: https://meded.hms.harvard.edu/admissions-timeline I can understand feeling anger at being rejected by Calgary despite being so close, but I would hardly call them "unrealistic" standards. Yes, applying to Medicine is expensive, it's unfortunate, and there could definitely be more work in this area. I don't see any schools failing to say they have preferences for IP over OOP. As mentioned, it makes perfect sense. If I'm an Albertan taxpayer I want my tax dollars paying for the education of someone who is more likely to stay in Alberta. It's the same for any province (except Ontario, largely). It's also worth noting standards are high because they can still easily fill their classes. When you have 10 applicants per seat (at least) you can afford to be picky in choosing cutoffs.
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