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  1. mcz

    UBC Invite/Regrets 2019

    Anyone know if/how much the waitlist has been moving?
  2. mcz

    Australian Dental School

    Anybody applying to CSU have any idea how to approach the personal statement?
  3. Start an excel spreadsheet and start doing the math. Consider the tuition costs at the different Australian dental schools, the exchange rate, the tuition at the Canadian schools you think you have a shot at, the cost of living in the different cities and scholarship money. Also take into account the length of the programs, some will be 4 years and some will be 5. Try to think of different factors/scenarios as well i.e. the potentially missed income as a dentist if it takes you 2 cycles to get into a Canadian school. There's a lot of different scenarios possible and at a certain point you may find it worth it to go to Australia. Also remember you won't be able to 100% accurately estimate all these numbers, try to underestimate your potential income and overestimate the expenses just in case.
  4. You can find the admission stats for previous years on UBC's website. There are two steps to the admission process. For the first part they look at your GPA, DAT and CASPer scores. If you're competitive enough you get an interview. After the interview only your interview score if looked at and if you do well, you're in. Extracurriculars aren't considered at any point of the admissions process. They can be useful to incorporate into your answers during the interview if you get one but it's not necessary. As for how much GPA matters, nobody really knows but looking at trends from previous years it seems like it used to be about 50/50 GPA and DAT. If you had a low GPA it was possible you could make up for it with a very high DAT and vice versa. But now CASPer is thrown into the mix and it's hard to say how much it's weighed. Imo, GPA and DAT should still be the focus, don't bank on doing well on CASPer to make up for things. As for your chances, I have no idea. UBC uses percentages so I'm not sure what a 3.2 translates into. Also you need to take into consideration that they'll drop your worst year when determining your average. I don't think it makes a difference when you take your pre-reqs. What you should do is determine your GPA in a percentage with the worst year dropped, make some comparisons to the past entrance stats and then assess from there. Keep in mind that you'll need to put in a lot of work to do well in the science pre-reqs and the DAT if you don't have a strong science background and are just now making the switch.
  5. mcz

    UBC Invite/Regrets 2019

    Was anyone who got rejected able to schedule an advising appointment? The rejection e-mail said we could but I just got an automated reply saying they're busy with admissions and that was a week ago.
  6. Yeah UBC is pretty much the only school I have a chance at in Canada lol so I'll def be applying again. And thanks 5-7 years sounds reasonable and that's a good point about remaining flexible about locations and moving around. I'm sure the employability that comes with the degree is what makes it doable and that's one of the reasons for the high tuition like someone else mentioned. Def not going to worry too much about this stuff right now, it was good to get some real opinions.
  7. Yeah that's pretty much what I figured in terms of owning a practice. I'm still a long way from seriously thinking about those things but I feel like I'd be more comfortable working as an associate largely because of the things you already said ie stress, going into more debt etc. The want of being able to pay off the high initial school debt asap is the only thing that made me mention it. I do think that the pros vs the cons makes it worth it for certain people though.
  8. Good points. I do think most of those students pay the money back to their parents so it does kind of turn out the same. Differences would be it not being as stressful to make the payments on time (or at least for me it probably wouldn't be) and not having to pay interest, but like you said we've got it alright in Canada in terms of that anyways. And yeah I'd imagine it is very difficult from scratch so unless your great at business/marketing it'd be better to buy out a place that is established. Or if you're really lucky, inherit a place from a family member in the industry. It's hard to imagine myself getting myself into ownership because I'm not business savvy but I guess it's something that can be improved.
  9. Thanks for the response. It's good to hear you're happy with your lifestyle, not making bank, but still happy. That's where I would like to be at if everything goes smoothly. And I like the idea to just do what you enjoy but I kinda scared myself by reading stories about people regretting their decision due to the debt and I'm finding it difficult to get a lot of opinions since the crazy cost of tuition is a relatively new thing. Also that survey sounds interesting. Have the results been published? Obviously I'm not a dentist or even in dental school but personally, 500k would be pushing it unless I had some sort of connections for opening up a practice out the gate or was very very very business savvy which I'm not (although I can work at it). People who those 2 things apply to probably could probably manage the 500k but for me I think the burden of debt would outweigh my love for the profession tbh. But I'm not quite sure what the cut off number is because 350k is quite high as well. Not sure if the 5 years as an associate you mentioned would be enough time to clear it for most people.
  10. btw the security question to make an account here was very difficult lol
  11. Hello, this is a topic I see talked about a lot on SDN due to the price of dental education in the States but I don't hear much discussion in regards to Canadian schools and was wondering about everybody's opinion on tuition at schools such as UBC (as an example) for students who are tackling the debt without help from family? UBC's tuition for all 4 years is ~250k.. Add on living expenses for the 4 years and I'm thinking it'd come to around 350k (maybe too high?). I know most schools in Canada are much cheaper than this but a lot of students won't have the choice to pick between multiple schools due to the high standards in Canada. From what I've read it seems like it would be manageable if you owned a practice. However, this isn't something everyone will be able to do or even want to do. Some people will work their lives as associate dentists or in other careers within the field. This is where the 350k becomes scary. There are different ways to tackle the debt but in any case I feel like you'll be sacrificing something major ie leisure time, being able to buy a house, kids etc. ------- As a personal aside, I got rejected from UBC post-interview this year and still really want to become a dentist. The cost wasn't something I thought about too much, I thought the money would be made back eventually. But after going through the application process and thinking more about my future from a financial standpoint I've kinda started to panic. I never looked to get into dentistry solely for the money but I did ofc hope to live comfortably. However, with that sort of tuition I feel like I wouldn't be able to take time to relax every once in a while or be able to afford having kids until I'm closing in on 40 (25 now). What are your guys' thoughts?