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  1. From what I understand the new campus will split the current amount of MedP applicants into 2 groups. One in gatineau with something like 20 ish seats and the rest remain in montreal. Not 100% sure, hard to check right now though. FYI all my info is from the admission website, nothing secret really.
  2. The tentative number for IP Qc Uni entry is 76. Every year, ~180-183 MDCM spots were available which includes 2nd year MedP + NTP + INTL + Qc Uni + OoP + OMFS + MDCM/PhD. Overall this means that if no changes occur in the other categories, we will likely see similar numbers. Right now, the estimated numbers are -8 compared to last year. Generally, we see about a 1 spot for 3 interviewees in the IP Qc Uni category. 76 x 3 = 228. Seems in line with previous years if that is their calculation. They do not add deferrals into these initials numbers though and each university has a set amount of seats available (to my understanding). We will obviously see less IP Uni spots for sure but this was expected way earlier. It just happens that this year, we saw more open criteria due to the prereq expiry condition being removed. NTPs can now potentially apply to Qc Uni and previously individuals needing to redo prereq courses that were obsolete can now apply. This year had much more competition for each interview spot due to low number of invites and higher number of applicants compared to last year. Seems to be in line with other years overall.
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    I did not see specific information on this but there is mention that the progression in difficulty of courses is weighed so if Honours programs involve taking higher level courses, it might have an impact.
  4. I am sorry that you did not receive an invite this year. Unfortunately, I do not think that the inner workings of the admission process are within the public realm but most processes for such competitive programs have a review board and a review of the whole process. I can attest to this review process as it was a topic discussed during my UG and involvement in university student politics. That being said, might I suggest not giving up? The initial process of admission is hard and I know how difficult rejection can be especially so close to the event. Given the general academic requirements and the potential for former NTP candidates to qualify to the MDCM path, it might explain why certain individuals with lower GPAs were invited. The casper is a weird test and the one this year seemed awfully easy compared to last year. I always feel a bit suspicious when something is too easy and that might have been the case for some. Additionally, people with certain work or educational backgrounds may be better prepared for CV and Casper which account for nearly a third of the process. Don`t give up, take some time to live your emotions and complete this bereavement process. Once that is completed, review your goals. This is the time to grieve for lack of a better term and once that process is done, you will be in a much better position to determine your course of action. Good luck and don`t lose hope. I know my first attempt and rejection was hard but the NTP application last year served as a real growing experience. Feel free to message me if you would like to discuss further.
  5. Just as a final thought on your follow-up post. You have indicated that you are a staff physician or doctor 3 times with and additional subtle 4th in a reply to your original post where you asked the question and received adequate answers about the most distinctly different application process for a medical education program in Quebec. This is the internet and a help forum, there should be no need for flexing. Additionally, your medical degree and significant education experience should allow you to infer from the various pages on the admissions website instead of ranting on some stranger. To be fair, I am doing the same at this point. Please find below a more acceptable and complete answer to your initial and follow-up questions. IPs are advantaged by sheer number of seat available as less seats would generally result in higher competition thus more likelihood of higher GPA values (which account for 70%) of the admission process. Statistics for past years show a progression in the GPA stats over the years at the IP level. The actual reason for this is beyond our reach but one could assume that competition plays a role as does the change in seats available from year to year. Another advantage for being IP is not having to do the MCAT, a requirement for almost every medical education institution except a very small number (NOSM was that way a few years ago). Being able to forgo the MCAT which is a difficult test, far more difficult than individually taking science prereqs at certain institutions where you are almost guaranteed to get an A if you put in minimal work. While these advantages exist at McGill, they are less important at french language universities in Quebec due to a different admission format which includes difficulty adjustments or full education history investigation as opposed to most recent completed UG (see easier second UG). Not to mention that these universities especially UdeM have a large amount of seats. This could be a result of the provincial entity which dispenses medical licenses and overall a politically influenced situation. One significant reason why people would do this is more likely related to tuition fees as IPs will pay a significantly smaller fee and housing remains on the cheaper side compared to certain provinces. It could also be a risk as not every OoP applicant is sufficiently fluent in French to actually work in more specialized fields in Quebec. McGill does not require French fluency at admission and provides support in french language training during the initial portion of the curriculum. French universities are more strict on the french which is often explained by their partnership with predominantly french speaking health organizations while McGill has a partnership with the MUHC and CIUSSS Westisland which received English speaking status and privileges. I hope this response will answer any other questions or feed your curiosity about Quebec IP vs OoP. I thank you for your advice about the position of a learner in the context of medical education and I hope you will receive this final piece of advice. If you believe that you cannot learn from someone who you consider to be in an inferior or different position than yourself, you will fail to acquire much knowledge and lived experiences from people who could in fact enrich your own. If you use your position and hard-work as a ''shut-up'' mechanic, you might find yourself doing a disservice to the image of the profession you so obviously value. I wish you the best of luck in your continued participation in the improvement of quality of life and health of the population and I thank you for that commitment even if I did not appreciate your replies. It does not change the fact that you work for the benefit of others and that is respectable. Have a wonderful rest of the day and thank you for your responses to other posts on these forums. Cheers!
  6. 1. It is an informed opinion. You can obviously find studies that would correlate both GPA and medical school academic success. However, if you look at the conclusion, there are other predictors which are correlated with either early or later portions of the curriculum. What I would recommend you reflect on is what leads to higher GPAs and how consistent that can be. With universities such as McGill that allow additional degrees to improve GPA or require science courses but not MCAT, you can find methods to circumvent GPA to some extent. One example would be "easier" degrees as a second UG degree which could lead to stronger grades. At the same time, honour or specialized UG degrees are not necessarily correcting the GPA scores in cases were harder/higher level courses are involved. The examaniation format can also impact these scores if you have assignment/paper based courses vs. examination based courses. One could argue that certain types of learning and studying are less present in a medical school curriculum. Certain learning institutions also offer ways to modulate grades through make-up exams and other measures. If education at the UG or even CEGEP level was standardized, I would be much more comfortable with GPA as a sole predictor but that is not the case. Just look at Universities with an letter grade scale that includes A+. Usually an A+ requires a much more significant grade which is not reflected in the McGill letter scale and conversion chart which means some students are considered equal despite having higher grades giving them a lower overall chance for an interview if we only consider grades at McGill. Lastly, the evolving requirements in the medical field and the evolving educational models require more skillsets than just memorization or examination skills. With increased focus on different models of service delivery, collaboration with other professionals, communication with patients, etc., GPA might not be a good tool to evaluate such skillsets. This is why certain factors are likely to be included in the screening process especially when you look at the MMI in general. 2. I am neither a med student or premed student. I am a hopeful candidate. The fact that you need to inquire on that status to define the value of an opinion or argument speaks volumes. Implying that having an opinion on the admission process or the curriculum is limited to Med students or physicians demonstrates limited understanding or critical thought at best. I am very open to discuss your thoughts on this topic in a much more inclusive and proper manner if you so wish. Have a wonderful day
  7. 250+ interviews so you will get people on lower side. Also prof title + grad degree boosts GPA. Not to mention CV and Casper account for 30%. Lots of factors beyond just GPA. Also GPA is a bad predictor of med school success and future quality as a physician so ya prob why McGill stands out compared to many other academic standing only programs.
  8. https://www.mcgill.ca/medadmissions/applying/requirements/elements/proof-citizenship-or-residency The large gap is related to the small numbers of OOP spots at McGill. You can check the requirements at the bottom of the link just click on the plus sign next to Qc Residency. Overall, live in Qc for one year prior to application without FT study is pretty easy.
  9. https://www.mcgill.ca/medadmissions/mdis
  10. TIME STAMP: 10:50 Result: Invite wGPA: 3.83 MCAT: No ECs: Multiple degrees, multiple years of healthcare practice. Year: 2x Bachelor 1x Masters - Professional tilte IP/OOP/International: IP Letter of EC: No Second time doing Casper this year. Zero stress, answered everything and was just genuine. I strayed away from the formulas and went the route that I would in professionnal practice. Seems it turned out ok. Last year I was ranked in the top 10-15% for it! i don`t remember exact spot. Good luck to all.
  11. My beard has gained 2 white hairs. Time to see how many more arrive in the next 10 days.
  12. When I said university route, I meant going and doing a 3 year bachelor degree. There are a few things to consider. The bachelor needs to be completed in 3 years and the progression of courses should be observable. Like level 200 (intro), level 300 (courses in the field you are studying) and level 400 (usually final year specific courses) this was the model at concordia and mcgill. At UdeM, the course codes are different and I cannot stand their online portal. Makes me rage every time I try to do something there. The university does not matter as long as you do a 3 year bachelor of something. I think Bacc en cumul de certificat are not recognized but you would have to double check. McGill is in a way, the easiest university in Québec to get into because their format of admissions is favorable to people who have completed a first or second degree and they actually take the most advantageous set of conditions for you (in my case at least since I have multiple undergrads, etc.). It is also the only university that does not require calculus as a prereq LOL. God I hate calculus! As I said previously, and as was mentioned in a previous post. What will open doors is methodical, strategic studying strategies AND a lot of time into school. Put yourself in debt if you have to but try as much as you can to not work during your undergrad. If at all possible. I worked during my studies but my situation was a bit complex. If you can, please try to focus 100% on school. Medicine applicants are the best academically and you will have to compete with them. The advantage with taking your time is that maturity is a significant aspect of the selection process (indirectly). What I mean is that the interview is not about memorization but about who you are. Far away are the days were being a bookworm gets you into medicine. I know many 4.0 GPA students (that`s a perfect GPA by McGill standards) who have not been invited to interviews or who have bombed the interview. They ask for more than just capacity to perform, they want an overall good fit for a physician in the new millennium which means a well rounded person. Instead of work, I suggest you invest time in extracurricular activities such as sports, social clubs, school politics and so on. Feel free to message me privately if you want to chat about something in more detail, I also speak french in case you prefer that. Happy holidays!
  13. When I finished Cegep, I had a mix of amazing and terrible grades. In the end, I put medicine on hold and pursued other interests in university. 3 degrees later including a masters I decided to apply. I went for degrees that gave me employment opportunities in fields that I enjoyed and I have a professional degree in healthcare. Because I was passionate about it, I got great grades which translate to higher chances of getting an interview on top of my professional title and CV. To be fair, MD is my dream but I am now 32 and applying. Last year I finished number 2 on waitlist (sigh). Garbage R scores can be mediated by going the university route, performing extremely well and overall completing your science prereqs with good grades. Mine are not that great so I am doing option 2 for science prereqs at Athabasca while working full-time. If you want this, and I mean if you are hungry for it... Go to university into a program you like and succeed. I don`t want to be a downer but considering you have 2 semesters left, it means you have not completed the course load in the prescribed timeline and with 22 R-score you probably failed some or passed marginally. I would suggest that you take these 2 semesters to really think about what makes you perform poorly and you fix it before university. That could be any kind of social context (family, income, etc) or personal difficulties with focusing on the task at hand and planning for the future. Maybe ADD? Who knows but get that in check right now. As in, you read this reply and you start thinking seriously about what is keeping you down. You won`t fix your R score in 2 semesters but you can hit University and in 3 years have a stellar GPA. Figure out loans and bursaries and get everything going for you. Your CV is important, find small things you can do to pad that up. Life sucks, getting into med sucks but if you are truly passionate about pediatrics, then go into a field that deals with children and go from there. I would recommend social work, nursing or teaching. With that R score however, options are limited. Social work at McGill is a great program and you can get great grades if you can write good papers and know how to cite APA lol. It is also the most likely chance you have at a children related field for admissions as they ask for a letter of intent and they actually read it. Good luck! PS : better be ready to finish a degree in 3 years too or you will have to justify why you did not have a full course load.
  14. No movement this cycle on NTP. A sad story for those who were on the waitlist, including myself. Thanks for all the positive topics and information. Time to prepare for next cycle.
  15. phys201 and phys 200 appear to be the basis for mechanics and electricity courses. Also states that it is equivalent to one year of intro phys which is what is required for option 1 prereqs (6 cr of physics. Phys 202 appears to be optics which was in my opinion the worst one of the 3 physics I did. The problem I see here is that you are actually not doing all the elements of either classes mech/elec/optics in one course, it is mixed. Magnetism is in the course with optics while you have some mechanics in phys 201. Send the topics explored in each course by email to admissions asking to see if it is equivalent to 6 cr of physics required. Good luck! If you are in montreal, it isn't too late to apply to Concordia university and do physics + lab there as a mature student. You only need to submit exemption forms for calculus 1 and 2 and mechanics. Or you could try Dawson, i don't think it is too late to apply yet. You can do it evening if you work as well.
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