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  1. Hi EddieL, I would suggest making a note book of all your potential storylines for each BPE. Then for each of those story lines, write down/list every thing you could possibly say about that story line for EACH CLUSTER. If you do that you’ll be able to pick a) which story is best to go with and b) have a clear outline of what will represent each cluster with respect to that story. I did hint fairly directly to what I was trying to get across, but I would not recommend saying “this shows that I have ____ abilites from ___cluster”. I’m not affiliated with admissions and don’t know really how that would go down but it makes for a difficult reading experience. Good luck!
  2. Yesandno, I apologize for the terminology that I used to describe your behaviour. I have been informed that that word is not tolerated here and I won’t be using it again. Moving forward I just ask that you do not speculate on what you assume to be the black experience and what we need and don’t need. If you do not know the struggle; it is not your place to comment.
  3. This was beautifully written and supported and explained very well. Thank you for taking the time to craft this response.
  4. Have you ever considered that maybe this year there were some stellar black, biracial, or mixed race applicants who crushed their interviews, have amazing GPAs, and a great CV? This smells a lot like the “well if I’m white and I can’t do it then certainly someone of colour can’t do it,” trope that we see far too often in any competitive professional or academic setting. Seriously yesandno, every thing you are saying sounds very rooted in jealousy. I know you said earlier that I’m policing your thoughts and speech (which I would never because we need to defund the police but that’s besides the point )and I am really sorry that I made you feel that way since you are more than free to speak your mind; but consider how someone with a different experience may interpret everything you have been saying. I don’t think you’re ill-intended but this is not the way to go about it. More opportunity for other people does not mean less for you.
  5. “Move on, seriously.” — Spoken from a true place of privilege. Imagine being able to move on from decades of having your identity questioned. If we as BIPOC don’t call out racism and microagressions when we see them, then no one else will. That is why I always come after comments like these.
  6. Exactly what @Galaxsci said! I also used a HS French teacher and got in She spoke more about me as a person (as far as I know, I guess we truly never know haha) and she mentored me in a few academic related competitions so she could speak on my characteristics as a learner wrt feedback, work ethic etc. However, no one wants to see someone gush about how amazing you were with content developed for 15 year olds so just clarify exactly what aspects of you you would like them to comment on!! Good luck!!
  7. I promise you this is not an ill-intended or malicious attack on your post, but an analysis of your response through the eyes and experience of someone else. "So yes, people admitted within separate groups got in on their own merit, but their self identification or proven identification with one group provided a massive boost." = So yes people got in on their own merit but really not all. Again, you seem to point towards successes being tied directly to race and not merit. "Most BSAP admits, if they were Asian or East Indian, simply would not have had a file review." --> 1. How on earth would you ever know if someone is Asian or East Indian solely based on their application (barring any dangerous presumptions based on name alone)? 2. Where on earth is the information that backs this claim coming from? Do you have some sort of secret stash of all of the credentials of every BSAP admit compared to every non-black applicant and admit? I truly do not understand how you, a doctor, can make these claims and synthesize this information with almost 0 stats to back it up. "and just mask society's issues by providing some good public PR 'look we are doing something'." --> If you think that BSAP or ISAP are publicity stunts I would hate to hear what you think about BLM protests and indigenous rights campaigns. These initiatives are changing the course of medicine, some people just cannot see that yet. "Of note, I received a full warning for my posts above for not creating a safe space for people of colour. While my posts are more centrist and even center right than left, and were critical of some aspects of BSAP, I do think warnings for slightly deviant political opinion on a premed forum is quite shocking." --> Some of the statements you have made have run deeper than what you claim to be 'political' and run more along the lines of anti-diversity and unknowingly offensive and/or discriminatory. It is not the job of POC to point out to you when you say something 'political' versus abrasive. That is a skill POC are brought up with when navigating a system designed against them and unfortunately a skill that many non-POC need to work hard to learn, but it is worth it. "I've privately helped countless students through PMs over the last 6 years of all backgrounds on this site. I think bullying people to accept a single narrative on any issue (excluding outright bullying or racism of course) is shocking. " --> In no way do I think you come across as someone who would reject help to anyone. I am sure you are a very helpful person. I am also truly sorry if you feel that you are being bullied as no one deserves to feel this way. One reason why I think many people are against your points is that there have been several BIPOC and allies in this thread explaining to you how what you have said is offensive, insensitive, and yes, not conducive to creating a safe space for POC, and it appears as though you have not exactly taken it to heart or attempted to hear and validate those experiences. Also as a side note to provide an example; this statement sounds very similar to the typical "I am not racist, I have black friends" comment that every black person has heard.
  8. Thank you for your allyship and thorough reflection of the issue, it means a lot to many BIPOC and is inspirational to many white allies and soon-to-be-allies. I think the self-conversation around privilege is needed to be had now more than ever, and I am very happy to see it taking hold. I myself have benefited greatly from privileges that fellow black peers have not (male privilege, cis-privilege etc.), but it doesn't make me any less black. It just irks me when I read comments from presumably non-black people about what they deem to be acceptable levels of struggle for other ethnic/racial groups to warrant the need for representation. Queer representation, indigenous representation (and until recently within the last couple decades, female representation) is greatly needed within science and medicine and I will be championing for those avenues as well. The idea that more for others means less for you is outdated, and I am glad there are people like you who are moving forward to change that. When UofT says they take a holistic approach, I fully believe them
  9. I agree as well. I just wanted to make it clear that the notion that all the BSAP applicants have low GPAs is false, and many BSAP students receive offers from multiple schools as a result of having great GPAs, ECs, Essays etc. I also believe that GPA does not have have a great deal to do with being a good doctor. As for the GPA “requirements” (ie. an actual competitive/ average successful gpa and not the 3.6 cut off for all applicants) being lower for BSAP students: that claim is still unfounded since UofT does not release these stats. If they are ever released and it does prove to be the case then I am absolutely willing to accept that. That being said, I’m sure there are several non-BSAP students with GPAs in the 3.7-3.8 region as well.
  10. I don’t know enough to give a whole history lecture on this topic but from microagressions to full on systemic racism almost every non-white group has faced the backlash of racist ideology on which many countries were built; Canada included. However, I would like to point out that Black people are still HUGELY underrepresented in medicine! This discussion surrounding whether or not Black people in Canada have been oppressed enough to deserve having a system in place to ensure that they can treat their own community is so strange to me. I’m not sure what the people on this thread (presumably white or non-black) would have liked to have happened to Black people in order for Black people to warrant this program, but I also probably don’t want to know. If any other ethnicity/race becomes significantly underrepresented I would truly hope they would do the same for them. It’s very clear on the website that there is no quota, so they must admit the candidates who they deem as a quality applicant through the program, and thus admitting more black students doesn’t suggest that seats are being taken away from more-qualified non-black students, but perhaps that this year there was many amazing black students. As a side note: white people have been getting advantages in STEM for a very long time (connections to the field, non-discriminatory questions during interviews, no subconscious prejudice) and the fact that BSAP and ISAP have been created to help lower these barriers is incredible. Unfortunately, many people (certainly not implying you because you seemed very respectful in your post) will always be upset to see black people win for once.
  11. There is a fair amount of bitterness and falsehoods in this post, but I will only address two. I am not sure where this idea that "all of the students who get in through BSAP must have a lower GPA than the other non-BSAP students" comes from. As one of the 24 new med students, I can assure you my cGPA (and other BSAP student's GPAs) is a 3.9+. Second: That photo that is circulating is a photo of the amazing Black Medical Student Association members who run the BMSA at UofT and foster an amazing community of support. You can join BMSA regardless of race/ethnicity presentation. That being said, despite what sort of box you seem to want to squeeze black people into as a ticket for their "easy" ride to medical school: Black is diverse and bold and beautiful. Light skin black people exist and are valid. Dark skin black people exist and are valid. Every shade of black comes with its own struggles, and they are certainly not evenly distributed, but we do share culture and knowledge that is lacking in the medical field. You my friend are a great example of that deficit. If you were not admitted to medical school this year, I would urge you to do some introspection as these sorts of feelings can show themselves in ways you may not understand, and could be negatively affecting your success. If you are in medical school or are a working physician, please consider how your clearly subconscious prejudice might be affecting your patients.
  12. I also received the same e-mail today and it was the first I have received since the webinar info
  13. Hey I have a quick question -- I am looking into getting my LOC from CIBC since the majority of my banking is with them. The problem is that the advisor is telling me that you only have access to 1/4 of the funds every year. For example, if I take a 200K LOC then I get access to 50K every year. Is this normal? It doesn't make sense to me since tuition changes, housing changes, and I am only paying for the amount that I use in the first place. Do other banks do this? Thank you!
  14. Told each other everything we did, in fact it is how I found some really cool opportunities myself I can understand how you may be tempted to not share as you maybe think it gives you an edge, but realistically you're only depriving yourself of valuable friendships and a good network of support. I feel like that could be a lonely road to travel down in the future. Plus, collaboration > solitude at almost all times during your future medical career
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