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  1. You can email Sask's Admissions team and they will provide you with the U of A to U of S GPA converter and how to use it!
  2. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, there is a WhatsApp group where we are planning meetups for this week. The link is in the C2024 FB group!
  3. Also have grown to support these programs over time! I agree with your assessment; the disdain a lot of people have for these programs is usually born out of selfish worry, not hate for any group! My biggest issue with these programs when I used to disagree with them was that they take a blanket approach to all applicants of a single race, when the issue is much more nuanced than a blanket approach allows for. If schools are truly trying to account for systemic biases, it would be better IMO to approach it from an intersection of SES and race rather than just race. That being said though, knowing what I now know about under-representation of various races in the medical field, and the improved quality of care that people of marginalized groups get when they receive care from a member of their race, among other things, it's hard to argue with these policies even if they do have imperfections.
  4. All 16. In my opinion, you may as well fill them all out - it can't hurt you. You never know what will resonate with a reviewer, and the only way you're guaranteed not to get a point for an activity is by not putting it down.
  5. With how much free help I received on here and several other forums when I was applying, I think it would be deeply unethical for me to profit off of pre-meds now that I'm in medical school. I've been contacted a few times to join on with those companies (which is a sign I'm probably too active on these forums) and it gets my back up every time. It makes me happy to see that pretty much everyone here agrees with that POV, and I'm continually impressed with how supportive this community is as a whole!
  6. That's based on anecdotal experiences of people on **DELETED**, definitely not what you want to be basing your perspective on. And to add to that, the majority of people in the thread that comment on the $120k+ salaries are in exasperation about how high they are, so it doesn't really prove your point as most people there seem to agree that those salaries are far from the norm. I gave you real data from a salary report, I don't know what your argument is here. ^^^^^^^ I don't get why people over-estimate job prospects so much, it does absolutely nothing for them. It's beneficial to be realistic about your career possibilities and potential earnings. While what you said is possible, you're probably just as likely to get struck by lightning, win the lottery, etc. Even in America, the odds of getting into a big SV tech company are exceedingly low, and then to get that $200k starting salary is another really low %. Why try and make it into something it's not?
  7. That's a common belief but isn't true. Take a look at this link: https://www.payscale.com/data/tech-industry-salaries. Average start, while awesome, is still only ~$110k at the big 3 social media companies (Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn). There might be a few people making $200k right out of high school, but again that's the top 1% of the 1% considering how hard it is to land a job in a big Silicon Valley tech company and even harder to excel once you're there (much much harder than getting into medicine). And mid-career numbers don't increase like you think they might (Twitter has a $157k median mid-career salary). Not saying any of that is bad money, but you won't strike it rich unless you're both extremely fortunate and extremely skilled. And if you think those companies don't work their employees into the ground, think again. Quality of life would be less than optimal for those very high earners. Again, the vast majority of those who try to go into tech, or any industry other than med, will be making <$80k per year well into their careers.
  8. I'd give you a like if I had any left to give for today! You hit on some good points for sure - the 10% is definitely a simplification on my part but even if it's 2% I think the argument still holds. I don't know if I would say there are a lot of jobs that compare to average FM/low-billing specialists unless we're well into the top 1% of most other fields, which in my mind isn't really the argument. And we'll have to agree to disagree on the level of uncertainty that most other fields have when it comes to reaching that upper tier. If I'm being honest, my experiences tell me it's not as bad as well, but I come from a fairly privileged background so I know that's not the case for all. Thank you for the conversation though! Was interesting to talk about!
  9. ^ Something to think about for sure! Don't know if we can lump all healthcare professionals in with us as many don't aspire to medicine when they start out. If they all did, some of us wouldn't be here. A more apt comparison might be that we're the top ~10% of pre-meds? It's less about who is in your field really, and more who you're competing with for jobs. That's about the national acceptance rate if I recall correctly, and pre-meds are the ones who actually try to become doctors. Do the top 10% in any other "field" have all (or any) of the career benefits that medicine has? I wouldn't say so
  10. I think we agree here, my only concern is that I don't want pre-meds to think your situation is the norm. I personally know a lot of people in those corporate type of roles as well, but they are far and away the exception to the rule. A lot of them also have terrible quality of life because of the amount of work, and type of work they do (getting up at 5 AM, living at the office working with numbers and talking on the phone all day, and then getting home at 9 PM). Medicine definitely isn't for everyone, but you do get to do amazing work, have job security pretty much as soon as you're accepted (match rates are still exceedingly higher than your chance at good jobs in any other field) and be paid well. It's really hard to find a career that beats it, even in the upper echelons of other industries.
  11. Agreed on the money thing! We tend to over-inflate the cushiness of medicine, when really it's an incredibly difficult journey to staff, and even when you get to being staff it is still time-intensive and stressful. The money thing is nice, but it's secondary to quality of life and if you don't absolutely love medicine, it's not worth it to chase the money doctors make. In regards to other fields, I agree that we shouldn't prop medicine up on a pedestal, but I think it's important to look at everything else from a realistic lens as the comments in this thread have tried to do. Much of my network of contacts in engineering have pretty bleak career possibilities right now, and they weren't much better before the pandemic. Yes you can do "well" in other fields, but well in most fields is ~$100k per year. Nothing to be ashamed of at all, but it pales in comparison to what you can make in medicine. To add to this, for most people, the income you lose from the field that you would have been in during your medical training will be made up very quickly after you're done the training. You might have been further financially ahead had you stayed doing what you were doing, but the vast majority of medical students will make a lot more in medicine than they would have if they kept on in their previous lives. And to add to this too, to make the same kind of money you make in medicine in other fields, you often are working 60+ hour weeks and doing incredibly stressful management/executive roles. I don't know if I'd say the work is less stressful or hard, just different.
  12. Exactly! Although this extends to pretty much any field right now...
  13. That's my bad for lumping it in with medicine which is the truly safe bet! I'm more looking at it statistically. Average law salaries are up around $100k/year ($96k in my province - Alberta) which is much better than fields that are thought of similarly like engineering. Definitely not a cushy job at all and I definitely wouldn't want to be a lawyer for all the reasons you listed, but on average is significantly better paying than it's counterparts.
  14. I wish that we did a better job of educating kids on the economic realities of most professions. I'll admit that when I entered engineering school, I thought I would be making $200-$300k by the middle of my career. This couldn't be further from the truth, but how was I supposed to know that when everyone's perception of the field is that you make a ton of money in it? And even if you read that engineers on average make about $70k per year, there's always that thing inside you that goes "oh yeah, but I won't be an average engineer." In reality, an average engineer is an extremely smart and competent person, so beating that person out for more high-paying roles is going to be incredibly difficult. And it's no guarantee that competency actually gets you a high-paying job. I knew many gifted engineers who worked in low-paying industries because they loved their work (or pigeon-holed themselves into the industry from an early age). Really, the only "safe" bets for making a lot of money out of school are medicine and law. But then again, they are also extremely competitive to get in to and time-intensive once you're in, so it's fair that they pay as well as they do.
  15. I also have friends in high-finance jobs (IB, equity research, etc) who make bank, but they are the top <1% of all finance grads. I think the guy/girl you're replying to is under-valuing the uncertainty in finance (and any business career) by a wide margin. There is a ton of uncertainty in that field, first with getting any of those highly coveted positions, and then in keeping them where you are constantly expected to be at your best. And you're right in that even if you manage to get the position and keep it, most people walk away from it in <4 years because of how bad their quality of life is. There are very few people (<<<1% of finance grads) who keep these high-paying finance roles as their career. Although you might make $200k in your new position after getting out of IB or a similar role due to your skill-set, you will never again touch numbers that specialists would. Whether that is enough to offset the lost income specialists have from their schooling, I'm not sure. Moral of the story, even though the top guys in any field will make a ton of money, the vast majority will make sub $80k/year whereas the minimum a physician will make is ~$150k.
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