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  1. Haha nothing, I just misquoted by accident! Sorry about that.
  2. If it helps, I have several friends who, throughout their MD undergrad at Mac, were able to make it to Kingston several times a month - and this is at Mac where there are usually no breaks. So I would speculate that it's quite doable the other way around Obviously I wouldn't be able to say for sure, but I also have a few friends at Queens who are also constantly on the move and are doing just fine! Good luck with everything MDLD!
  3. I can't speak for all of the c2022 class, but my friends in c2022 definitely feel very frustrated about it. I guess the general feeling among them is that the education they're receiving is sub-what they were expecting to receive from medical school. Obviously some of that couldn't be helped because of the overwhelming nature of the situation, but there is definitely a general feeling of frustration and worry. The school is what they're doing they can to help, but obviously it might not be enough, especially in a PBL setting. It was also confirmed today in the c2022 townhall that PBL is definitely not going to be in person, and whatever there will be in person will be extremely limited in terms of its capacity to accommodate direct clinical skills learning.
  4. Mac student here. Although this is speculation, it is likely the most of the fall will be online for first-year students. For c2022s, MF5 is completely online (until September 25th), after which there is great uncertainty in the direction the program wants to go. PBL, procomp, anatomy, and LGSs will all most likely be online. The only thing that is POSSIBLE, and has not even been decided on yet, is very small groups of students coming into learning spaces for clinical skills.
  5. That's normal Keep your head up! Good luck.
  6. I think everyone is just a bit worried right now I don't think things will be any different. Remember, in the situation we have this year, there are probably more people circulating premed and other online forums, so we're probably only hearing more because more people have taken to these forums. The 2 days we saw were not waves, they were just small trickles of offers probably. I'm not saying that it's going to happen for certain, but there is a big chance that a large wave (and maybe an even bigger one) will happen the day after the OMSAS deadline.
  7. Everyone needs to relax. There is always a large waitlist movement after the OMSAS deadline, and it will be no different this year. If anything, there might be a bigger waitlist movement. I know it's stressful, but take a deep breath - I was on the waitlist too at one point.
  8. In keeping with the post above, I received an offer a week after the big wave. There was a second smaller (though still big enough) wave that occurred, so chances aren't "pretty" low Good luck!
  9. Probably somewhat misleading to say that. Mac students (including myself) have/had plenty of time to do research in the past, and with the time away from actual in-person classes, I imagine whatever difference may have existed is now offset. Obviously that doesn't take away from what drawbacks do exist...but this is not a good reason to discourage someone from going to Mac.
  10. That's fair, but the objective indices are likely not truly representative of Mac's situation going into the future because all of the data is pre-covid, so I'm not sure we can exactly call it "objective". It is most certainly the best data we have, this much is true. But it is not entirely objective data. As well, the arguments against Mac are not really subjective. It is quite objective to say that a 3-year program will be disproportionately impacted in terms of opportunities and clinical exposure than 4-year programs. It is most certainly qualitative - that is true, and yes, some people will have subjective preferences that skew their preferences towards Mac. But again, the fact that a 3-year program is affected more than a 4-year program is objective, and if not, no less objective than the CARMS data we have.
  11. I think this is a gross misrepresentation of what the majority of people have been saying and misleading in terms of how McMaster, and other 3-year programs, are affected in light of COVID-19. With some exception, there is almost no one arguing that COVID-19 will affect the prospects of a medical student at McMaster securing a residency position. No one is arguing that anyone's CARMS data and outlook will be impacted. Equally, no one is saying that McMaster's students are disproportionately affected (compared to other schools) in terms of their ability to match to residency. Yet, while all this may be true, these are all based on conjectures too. We have no clue about the downstream effects of COVID-19, so all these "hopeful" comments about CARMS and residency not being affected are also speculation. It is true that with the CARMS data, students at McMaster have never had a problem securing spots. And it likely will continue to be true throughout the pandemic. However, again, no one has been arguing against this. It seems as though people have misconstrued ideas as to what the "negative" posts have been trying to get across. I understand that there is skepticism surrounding many of the negative posts and them being posted by accounts of "waitlisters", and while this is a valid thought, it is not a valid argument against the points. The arguments being made against McMaster are solely based on its PBL philosophy and 3-year program, and how opportunities to explore and gain exposure are limited, which will ultimately have downstream effects on someone's education.
  12. Thanks for sharing your opinion No one (at least from the majority or arguments I've seen) is saying that Mac students will be at a disadvantage during CARMS applications. This has been proven to be untrue every year. I agree that preceptors are generally encouraged when they see Mac students and we generally perform very well on our rotations. Certainly lucky to be at Mac. Yet, while I agree that the medical school itself is no more impacted by COVID than other schools, I will disagree that students are not impacted more. The very fact that Mac (as well as every other 3 year school) is 3 years with a 1-year preclerkship is enough proof in and of itself that students will likely feel a greater impact. Clinical activities may resume slowly, but the opportunities for students who have 2 years of preclerkship versus 1 year of preclerkship are undeniably greater. Take for example if clinical activities for preclerks could resume in April 2020 (not a real date obviously). For most preclerks in Canada, this would be fine and would give them ample time to explore and narrow down career options. It would also give them plenty of exposure to clinical settings prior to clerkship. Yet, for the mac student, this timeline simply does not work. They would have likely been required to choose their clerkship streams already, and even if those do not matter in terms of your residency applications (i.e., which stream you choose), the opportunities to narrow down a career choice and gather experience in the clinical setting are drastically fewer. I will also disagree with the impact on PBL versus traditional learning, though this is almost definitely an opinion informed by my own, and friends', experiences. There is no doubt that PBL is much more difficult to approach online. Part of this may have to do with the unpreparedness to launch this online so hopefully Mac can learn and adapt, but the other part of it cannot be controlled: the fact that the primary means of learning is through engaging with uncertain resources, and sharing with group members and tutors who have equal difficulty being present or logging onto these platforms (yes it happens) ALL while being in an uncontrolled setting is reason enough to say that it is not the ideal PBL approach. Of course, we would hope that students learn to adapt and experience an equally effective PBL approach as they would in-person, but this unlikely given the short timeframe of preclerkship, it's rapid pace, and again, it's uncontrolled nature. If nothing else, can agree to disagree :) Obviously these are our own opinions and are equally valid in their own right.
  13. Also fair point about the anatomy access. I suppose another problem would be the inability to access anatomy resources prior to clerkship, whereas other schools may be able to make up for the lack of curriculum in the 2nd year of preclerkship. Same thing with clinical opportunities. But I agree - let's hope every school finds a way to fix this Thanks for the polite discourse.
  14. It's a fair point that anatomy will be affected everywhere. That being said, my point was that the anatomy curriculum was already weak to begin with, and will now likely suffer more for those interested in surgery, at least. In response to the impact of COVID, I am skeptical that its impact will be short lived. This is likely not true at all. Perhaps schools may resume in the fall at some point, but even so, clinical activities will certainly not start up any time soon, especially for the first years. Even the clerkship curriculum is being planned to have some online components, with return to activity in the future being slowly introduced. That means that those who do not have sufficient training or the clearance (e.g., first-years) will be unlikely to enter any sort of clinical setting. The impact of COVID, as has been discussed in several Town Halls, is likely to carry on forward for a long time. That is not to say schools be with shut down for that same amount of time, but the opportunities will definitely be limited.
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