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  1. $12 000 not including deposit is what it was last year. Hope that helps.
  2. Yeah they said you're 100% welcome to commute from anywhere in the province (they used Peterborough as an example) if you want. A while back they mentioned 6-8 weeks advanced notice of when you'd need to be in London but I don't know if that's a firm promise, so you may risk needing to find a place on short notice like @CHG mentioned which could be stressful. Also if observerships are allowed by the hospitals then you may run into trouble if you try to do them in your town if you don't live in Western's catchment area (e.g. east of Oxford county). So ultimately it's up to you, the school doesn't care where you live, as long as you attend mandatory sessions.
  3. Here is an example from first-term - London campus. While the topic of the classes changes week to week, the timing is usually pretty similar. 8-12 4 days of the week, and then you will have 2 days of the week with an additional 1:30-4:30 (patient centered clinical methods/PCCM) and 1:30-3:30 (integrated small group learning/ISGL). PCCM and ISGL are usually either Mon/Fri or Wed/Thurs, I started on Mon/Fri in 1st term and then in 2nd term I got Wed/Thurs. This schedule doesn't include the additional online independent learning modules you need to complete throughout the week (can range from 2-10 sometimes). Stars = mandatory Red= assessment due Green = lab Purple = PCCM Light blue = lecture (can be normal or case-based/flipped classroom style) Dark blue = discipline specific small group (DSSG) or ISGL or case of the week (CoW) Yellow (not pictured) = special event, e.g. class field trip to Parkwood for a geriatrics learning day From what I understood at our last town hall admin is looking to try and have PCCM and labs be in person and everything else be online. Lectures since March have all been all pre-recorded and DSSG was peer-facilitated so we could do them whenever we wanted., you just had to be available for ISGL which is live over zoom (so once a week 1:30-3:30). To adhere to public health requirements they will be making the the PCCM groups smaller and restricting how many people are in the anatomy lab at one time so this will probably mean a less consistent schedule for PCCM (anatomy lab was never that consistent anyways) to allow flexibility for facilitator availability. Obviously it's all pending public health restrictions, so if things get worse they will move everything fully online again and if things get better they will start bringing back more in-person learning. Hopefully that answers your questions!
  4. In London we also have 24/7 card access to our anatomy lab, same setup as Windsor. Can't really add on much to what @CHG said. Oftentimes we'd have an anatomy independent learning module online, possibly an lecture in class, and then head to the anatomy lab. In London we have ~6 people to a Cadaver and 1 TA per 12 students and 1 iPad hooked up to a TV per 12 students where you can pull up the lab outline or the radiologists come in and show us CT scans of the anatomy we are dissecting in the cadaver. Groups will take turns seeing prosections with their TA for structures that may be hard to dissect out like the laryngeal muscles. In first semester we only had ~5 labs but in second semester we had them almost every week. I would say the depth is slightly more than what I learned in my introductory anatomy course in 1st year undergrad (can't speak to how MSK will be compared to my undergrad MSK course since we do MSK in 2nd year), but they send out a survey at the start of the year to gauge how much anatomy experience everyone has and put you into groups where everyone has a diverse range of anatomy experience. You will be working on the same cadavers as the second years so don't be surprised when you show up and there have been things dissected that you don't remember touching. One thing that really irked me was that the school made us buy our own gloves for anatomy which I thought was ridiculous considering the tuition we pay and that they could probably purchase it in bulk for cheaper. You are also given a lab coat to wear so you don't have to buy one or wear your white coat. Also as someone who is not really interested in a surgical specialty I usually let other people dissect before me and you are not expected to do anything in lab other than show up (but everyone in my group is super polite and we try to all give eachother a chance to dissect). I felt I had a strong anatomy foundation going into med school which I think helped me out a lot but others who didn't were just fine. You will find that everyone is coming from a different background and will have their strength where you struggle. One person may be good at anatomy, another may be good at genetics, and someone else may have a strong background in biochemistry. Ultimately, once you're in, the school wants you to succeed. Note that since we moved to online learning labs have moved online too so it's a very different experience. There is an online dissector tool which isn't nearly as engaging and that I find is quite difficult to navigate. No one checks if you do these online lab though so at this point I find it easier to watch the anatomy youtube videos they link and skip on going through the lab itself. We have given admin feedback on what we think of the online labs and online curriculum in general so things will likely continue to change in the fall, feel free to DM me if you have any more questions.
  5. Scotia still has their usual $300 offer if you fulfill all the requirements. My hometown Scotia advisors sucked and didn't know much about setting up the medical student LoC but thankfully a quick email to Rod in London whipped them into shape and I haven't had trouble with them since. I guess if you need an iPad then iPad > $300. https://www.scotiabank.com/healthcare/ca/en/banking-solutions-for-medical-students.html
  6. I agree with everything here, admin is super receptive and wants us to succeed and treat us fairly. Also the new curriculum has definitely spawned some amazing memes for our class to all laugh at together. I will highlight that the school pairs you up with an academic coach that you meet with each month over your 4 years and they serve as a great mentor and jumping off point to network with physicians in your desired specialty or find researches for you to work with. We also had a family medicine placement in our first year (can't really happen with COVID right now) where we got to practice our clinical skills with real patients, talked to them, practiced giving immunizations, etc. I think the new curriculum is moving in the right direction of frequent, low/no stakes tests that give us feedback and focus on us being competent physicians instead of spitting out theoretical knowledge. Some things were slow to get started for our year because of the new curriculum but for 2024 its all in places so you can thank us for ironing out some of the bugs in our first term. Also Tuesdays off is such a blessing. No one really knows what the fall will look like for y'all but admin is transparent and wants you to succeed so you're in good hands at Western.
  7. Obviously as a Schulich student I can't speak to the experience at Queen's and I think by and large the consensus is that no matter where you go in Canada you will receive a good medical education. Also I'm London campus so most of this will be from a London perspective, @CHG can give you the Windsor perspective. Location: The biggest differences will probably be the location. London is a larger city than Kingston with several large hospitals that serve as the tertiary care centre for all of southwest Ontario so you can probably expect more research, specialized care, and amenities to be available in London (e.g. there are no PET scanners at the Kingston General Hospital). On the other hand, in Kingston you are concentrated at one hospital and there are less learners so you can network more easily (but this also applies to students at Windsor campus). Bonus: London has an international airport and Windsor is a super diverse border town. Class size: Honestly comparable, Queens is ~100, London is ~130, Windsor is ~40. Small and large classes both have their advantages depending on how well you end up getting along with your classmates but I think the culture at both schools will be very similar and welcoming. Facilities: From my tour at Queens, their building looked nicer than London's which has a more historic building but Windsor also has a nice building. Ultimately a lecture hall is pretty similar no matter where you go, our student lounge is London is really awesome but I'm sure the Queens one is too from what I remember, and their anatomy lab looked nicer but if you're dissecting cadavers I don't think the aesthetic of the room make a huge difference. We do have a fairly new clinical skills building in London though where you may have interviewed in if you weren't in the basement rooms. Queens has a nicer gym than Western but London has a nicer climbing gym than Kingston :). Curriculum: Again I don't know exactly what their curriculum looks like but at Western we have Tuesdays off which is amazing for doing observerships, volunteering, groceries, chores, schoolwork, etc. At Western I believe our clerkship is all core rotations first and then electives which means you get to practice your skills as a clerk before diving into the specialties that you hope to match to for CaRMS, I think at Queens the electives are mixed in with the core rotations which means maybe you are less burnt out when you get to them but you may not perform as well do to lack of experience (I could be wrong about this, their clerkship may looks like ours). We get placed in a family medicine clinic in our first year where you get to practice talking to real patients, taking vitals, giving immunizations. There is a big emphasis on making you a competent physician and frequent low/no stakes assessments that provide you with feedback in preparation for the final exam. As a reply to the previous poster above, at Western, some are salaried, some are FFS, some have a capitation model, most are likely a mix. I think the teaching ability of faculty can be hit or miss with some blocks being taught better than others but the school does pair you up with an "academic coach" at the start of the year who you meet with each month and they serve as your mentor over your 4 years and are a great branching off point to network with other physicians. I'm happy to answer more specific questions, congrats on your offers.
  8. We use Examplify at Schulich and it runs fine on the iPad through their app. If you want a better keyboard and potentially bigger screen and potentially save some money I have been enjoying my HP Envy 15 and I heard the smaller HP Spectre 13 is even better. They come with the HP pen for note taking unlike the surface which you have to pay extra for the pen and you need to get the clip on keyboard.
  9. Whenever they need them by. Some people can afford to pay tuition without them so they wait but since the LoC comes with good credit card perks and you don't get charged if it just sits there I'd just get it set up as soon as you can get your official enrollment letter from the school. It can take up to a month to do all the paperwork and that period may be longer with COVID shenanigans, so I would suggest you try to set it up at least a month in advance of when you'll need it.
  10. Hi, Schulich 2023 and first aid instructor chiming in. There are no WSIB approved fully online courses that exist as WSIB mandates an in-person component. The organizations that offer an online/blended course will let you do the online component now and then you will have to come back and do an in-person component once social distancing measures are lifted. The provincial government will be accepting the online component as an interim certification . When organizations open back up we can probably expect a spike in registration so I will see if I can talk to @CHG and run a discounted class for 2024s in London.
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