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  1. Posted this in SDN/**DELETED** as well, but thought I might most this here as well since there people might not visit both sites concurrently. ***NOW UPDATED WITH THE NEW MSAR released 3.22.2018*** The new MSAR values are given at the top of each school's description with a heading MSAR 2018. Note that this means using MSAR values released on 2018. They're for class entering fall 2017. Hi fellow non-Americans, As noncitizens, we face greater difficulty than Americans - there are schools that flat out reject any international applications, schools that say they accept but never really interview anyone (looking at you, Tufts and Baylor), and schools that are super friendly towards us. Of course, they're all on MSAR, but unless some screams MSAR at you you won't look at it. It took me a while to come up with a list via MSAR, supplanted with wisdoms of **DELETED** and SDN. I'm now writing to share that with you so you won't have to go through same process. Everything here is based on 2017 MSAR, and things can change. So go buy that MSAR and start looking at it! Applying is just one aspect. There's also the financial problem - US MD schools are quite expensive, and we can't get federal financial aid. No FAFSA for us. Probably don't have a cosigner to get private loans, too. So unless you can come up with a brilliant way to fund half a million dollars, your acceptance is going to be rescinded. That's not nice - so something definitely to think about before applying to 40 schools. There are schools that will provide some sort of funding - loans, grants - to non-Americans, but there aren't that many. Keep this in mind before sending your application. Ontarians can take OSAP and loans with co-signer from CIBC, RBC, TD, etc for max $250,000 CDN and ~$40,000 OSAP. No clue about other provinces. Quoting [USER=334945]@Goro[/USER], International students need to be Harvard/Stanford calibre. While this may be an exaggeration (sorta), do keep in mind that if there is another American candidate that's exact replica of us, he/she will probably get in over us. Higher stats, ECs are expected from us. Sucks, but that's life. Also doesn't help that most of international-friendly schools are clustered near the top. Few quick points: Public schools are less likely to take in internationals than Americans. Go for private. Kentucky loving Canadians is a notable exception to this. Top schools are more likely to take in internationals AND give financial aid. Forget about Texas and California. Schools taking 1 international students are excluded on this list. Quoting [USER=432540]@gyngyn[/USER], they're likely to be inside candidates. He recommends 3 or above. There are couple schools taking 1-2 internationals on this list, though it's mostly because they've taken more in the past. When it says 'no Aid', its for Canadian/Internationals. Not for Americans. When it says 90hr/1yr/Bachelors required, that's for International students outside of US/Canada. If you're Canadian or internationals student who went to US undergrad, dont need to worry about this. US Permanent Residents = US Citizens DACA = for the most part, international students Thos with CoA ??? = I couldn't find the total cost of attendance. I might've written total tuition costs next to it. Also keep in mind that CoA is just an estimate! Schools providing Financial Aid: These schools are willing to provide some form of financial aid to international/Canadian students, whether in forms of Loans or Grants. Mostly rich schools high up in the ladder. Albert Einstein College of Medicine MSAR 2018: 3.82/515, 5 International Matriculants. 3.83/516, 5 International Matriculants. CoA $290K. Has an escrow requirement: 2 year for Non-Canadians, half of 1 year tuition for Canadians. Financial aid is available through Einstein Scholarship and College Loan Funds. Requires 1 year post-secondary education in US/Canada. Columbia (Vagelos) MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 5 International Matriculants. 3.87/519, 7 International Matriculants. CoA $380K(!). Has financial aid, although significant amount of it is in loans. Requires 3 full year + Bachelor's degree in USCAN. Duke MSAR 2018: 3.88/519, 0 International Matriculants (!!). 3.85/516. 3 International Matriculants. CoA $310K. Has financial aid in forms of Need-based grant. Requires 1 year of post-sec Ed on USCAN. MD/PhD is only for Americans. Dartmouth (Geisel) MSAR 2018: 3.74/515, 4 International Matriculants. 3.78/515, 5 International matriculants. CoA $344K. States that it can provide 'need-based financial institutional scholarships and loans'. Requires 3yr of post-sec Ed in USCAN. Has a reputation for loving nontrads. Harvard MSAR 2018: 3.92/519, 6 International Matriculants. 3.92/518, 16 International matriculants. The most international-friendly school. CoA $370K. Aid is available with a unit loan. 1Yr post-sec ed on USCAN, although states that 'without Bachelor's in US/CAN rarely accepted.' Mount Sinai (Icahn) MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 5 International Matriculants. 3.84/519, 4 International matriculants. CoA $290K. Aid is available ($31500/yr) + Merit scholarships. Loans for 3/4th years via Mpower. Couldn't find education requirements. Northwestern (Feinberg) MSAR 2018: 3.91/520, 0 International Matriculants. 3.9/519, 3 International matriculants. MSAR says 1, but NW says 3 on its page. wtf? CoA $350K, Aid is available. 3Yr post-sec Ed on USCAN. Stanford MSAR 2018: 3.86/519, 5 International Matriculants. 3.89/518, 5 International matriculants. CoA $352K, aid is available in forms of Grants and Loans. Need to show proof of 1 year of tuition. 1Yr post-sec ed on USCAN. Vanderbilt MSAR 2018: 3.91/521, 7 International Matriculants. 3.9/520, 6 International matriculants. CoA $350K, aid is available. 'Recommend' 1yr Post-sec ed on USCAN. Yale MSAR 2018: 3.88/521, 11 International Matriculants. 3.89/518, 10 International matriculants. CoA $355K, aid is available with a unit loan. 3Yr post-sec Ed on USCAN. Johns Hopkins MSAR 2018: 3.94/520, 8 International Matriculants. 3.92/519, 9 international matriculants. CoA $320K, aid is available. 1yr post-sec Ed on USCAN. Schools that won't provide Financial Aid/Canadian Only: These schools will only accept Canadian applicants in additions to usual Americans. They will not provide any forms of financial aid. Some may have escrow requirement. George Washington MSAR 2018: 3.72/511, 4 Canadian Matriculants. 3.72/511, super low-yield chool. 2 Canadian matriculants. CoA $320K(??). No aid available. Has a weird 'special International MD program' for international students, designed for said students to leave US and practice in their home country. Probably not something you're looking for. Regular MD is only for US/Canadians. Mayo - MN MSAR 2018: 3.91/517, 0 International Matriculants. 3.85/513. US/Canadians only. 2 Canadian matriculants. Only for MN - AZ/FL dont take Canadians. CoA 330K. No aid available (need-based aid available few years ago, need clarification) Michigan State - Public MSAR 2018: 3.68/507, 3 Canadian Matriculants. 3.71/507. US/Canadians only. 3 Canadian matriculants. CoA $330K. No aid available. Is hot in news these days. NYU Langone MSAR 2018: 3.92/521, 0 International Matriculants. 3.9/520. Not just Canadians, but also Canadian PRs. Maybe this is why there are other non-Canadians in their MSAR. 2 International matriculants. Willing to provide Merit scholarships but no other forms of Financial Aid. CoA 335K (4yr pathway) . No aid available. Maryland- Public MSAR 2018: 3.84/513, 3 Canadian Matriculants. 3.85/515. US/Canadians only. 2 Canadian matriculants. CoA $380K (!) No aid available. Virginia Commonwealth - Public MSAR 2018: 3.74/511, 2 Canadian Matriculants. 3.74/511. Super low-yield. 4 Canadian matriculants. CoA $275K. Canadians are essentially considered as OOS Americans. No aid available. Wayne State MSAR 2018: 3.74/509, 18 International Matriculants. 3.76/508. US/Canadians, and any international student who went to Wayne State as undergrad. 8 International matriculants. CoA $350K. No aid available. Central Michigan - Public MSAR 2018: 3.74/506, 4 Canadian Matriculants. 3.7/504, US/Canadians only. 5 Canadian matriculants. CoA $384K(!!) the most expensive school on the list. Wants ties to Central Michigan. Being in Canada doesn't count. Schools that won't provide Financial Aid: These schools will consider all international applications, but will not provide any forms of Financial aid. Some may have escrow requirement. Boston MSAR 2018: 3.83/518, 11 International Matriculants. 3.81/516, 11 International Matriculants. Low-yield school. CoA $350K. No financial aid. Requires 2 year of post-secondary education + prerequisites done in US/CAN. Rosalind Franklin MSAR 2018: 3.62/518, 9 International Matriculants. 3.63/511, 8 International Matriculants. Low-yield school. CoA $300K. No financial aid. Needs Casper. Requires 90hr of post-sec Ed on USCAN. Emory MSAR 2018: 3.79/515, 3 International Matriculants. 3.79/515, 4 international matriculants. CoA $320K. No financial aid. Requires 32hr of science coursework on USCAN. Georgetown MSAR 2018: 3.8/513, 9 International Matriculants. 3.74/512, 5 international matriculants. Super low-yield. CoA $370K. No financial Aid. Needs foreign transcript evaluated. Medical College of Wisconsin MSAR 2018: 3.79/511, 4 International Matriculants. 3.76/515, 1 international matriculants. CoA $275K. No financial aid. Requires document supporting your ability to pay up $254K. 90hr of ed on USCAN. Casper required. Wants to see shadowing. Canadians beware New York Medical College MSAR 2018: 3.63/511, 4 International Matriculants. 3.65/512. 4 international matriculants. No secondary = super low yield. CoA ???. No financial aid. Escrow requirement of $239K. Prereqs must be done on USCAN. Bachelors' strongly recommended. Penn State MSAR 2018: 3.82/510, 2 International Matriculants. 3.82/509. 1 International matriculants. CoA $285K. No financial aid. All prereq must be done on USCAN. Penn (Perelman) MSAR 2018: 3.88/520, 1 International Matriculants. 3.87/518. 6 International matriculants. CoA ???, Tuition only is $240K. No Financial Aid. Gives good amount of scholarships but disappointing from such a rich school 1yr ed on USCAN. Pittsburgh MSAR 2018: 3.86/517, 3 International Matriculants. 3.85/515. 3 International matriculants. CoA $330K. Escrow requirement of 2-yr tuition. No financial aid. 1yr + prereqs done on USCAN. Saint Louis University MSAR 2018: 3.89/513, 12 International Matriculants. 3.87/512. 11 International matriculants. CoA $295K. Escrow requirement of $210K. No aid. Requires TOEFL or SAT as test of English proficiency. Jefferson (Sidney Kimmel) MSAR 2018: 3.74/514, 5 International Matriculants. 3.75/512. 9 International matriculants. Super low-yield. CoA $308K. No Aid available. Requires Bachelors from USCAN. SUNY-Upstate - Public MSAR 2018: 3.73/513, 7 International Matriculants. 3.75/512. 8 International matriculants. CoA $367K. No aid available. Requires 90hr post-sec ed on USCNA. Likes Canadians SUNY-Stony Brook - Public MSAR 2018: 3.82/514, 9 International Matriculants. 3.8/514. 3 International matriculants. CoA $370K. Needs 'Affidavit of support' for this amount. 1yr post-sec ed on USCAN. Tulane MSAR 2018: 3.64/511, 4 International Matriculants. 3.62/511. 5 International matriculants. CoA $355K. No aid available. Casper required. Hawaii (Burns) - Public MSAR 2018: 3.82/513, 2 International Matriculants. 3.76/510. 2 International matriculants. CoA ?? No aid available. Prereqs recommended to be done on USCAN. Kentucky - Public MSAR 2018: 3.83/511, 6 International Matriculants. 3.82/512. 8 International matriculants. Known to love Canadians. CoA $371K. No aid available. Need document supporting ability to pay 2 yr tuition. 1yr on USCAN. Application status changed from 'accepting all Canadians/Internationals' to 'Case-by-Case' for all Int/Canadian applications. Not sure of the consequence. Virginia - Public MSAR 2018: 3.91/519, 8 International Matriculants. 3.9/518. 2 International matriculants. According to my advisor's medical handbook, they treat Canadians like OOS Americans. What's up with Virginia and Canada? CoA 335K. 90hr on USCAN or UK. Washington University @ STL MSAR 2018: 3.91/521, 9 International Matriculants. 3.89/521. 8 International matriculants. CoA 335K. Escrow requirement. No need-based aid available (Merit aid is). 90hr on USCAN. Cornell (Weill) MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 2 International Matriculants. 3.78/519. 5 International matriculants. CoA $355K. Escrow requirement. No aid available. Lona Linda MSAR 2018: 3.83/508, 17 International Matriculants. 3.86/508. 10 International matriculants. For SDA, super devout Christians. CoA ??? $225K tuition only. No aid available. 1yr on USCAN. Howard MSAR 2018: 3.45/502, 5 International Matriculants. 3.41/502. 9 International matriculant. HBCU. CoA $304K. No aid available. 68hr on USCAN. Case Western / CCLCM They'll accept starting next cycle. Since Case used to have a reputation of international/Canadian friendly, I'm adding them back on the list in advance. No idea about CCLCM though. MSAR 2018: 3.82/518, 7 International Matriculants. 3.81/517. CoA $356K. No need-based aid, though Merit Aid is possible. CCLCM covers everything. UCLA Makes to the list with stunning NINE internationals for fall 2017! Maybe I should've applied. But I like snows... MSAR 2018: 3.85/517, 9 International Matriculants 3.79/508. 2 International matriculants. Their MCAT went from 508 to 517, so..yeah. big jump there. Unsure about Financial Aid, though you should be eligible for Geffen scholarship (merit based) That's it. MSAR says 71 schools are willing to take International/Canadian applications. After some analysis, the list comes down to 42 for Canadians and 33 for internationals. There are schools that have taken more in the fast - ie. Utah took in 3 internationals 2015-2016. They aren't included in this list as none made it last year with only 5 interviews. Or schools like Duke that took a couple for 2016 but none for 2017. Schools not listed here and listed 'accepts International/Canadian applications' are likely to just shred your application and take your $$ as donations. Chicago (Pritzker) apparently 'used' to be int-friendly. None made it for class matriculating 2016. Your call. Wrote this up while dodging my PI's smoldering gaze at me, so there may be typos here and there. Point them out and I'd be happy to fix them up. Feel free to rip me apart if something's not true, and good luck.
  2. Can you guys let me know which banks were easiest to get a loan from? I'm hoping to get into a Canadian school but if not I'll be going to the US. I have several interviews lined up in the coming weeks. Worried about finances since my family is middle class. Thanks.
  3. Hey everyone, Since Queens changed their grading scales in 2011, I was wondering if someone who went to Queens and submitted an application to AMCAS or AACOMAS could tell me how AMCAS/AACOMAS converts Queen's U, letter grades i.e. what would an A- be, an A, a B+, B, B-, etc. Thanks
  4. Hi all, so my situation is as follows: cGPA 3.95 for past 3 years since im a 4th year undergrad 512 MCAT with (131,124,129,128) sections are listed in order they appear so 124 is the CARS. I've heard of people getting USMD interviews with scores like 12/7/14 on the old MCAT, just don't know how a 124 in the new MCAT is viewed. decent to average EC's like hospital volunteering, basic research, tutoring etc... Just wondering if I stand a good chance at an interview for USMD even if its a low tier school. Would appreciate any feedback. Also I'm thinking of applying with my score and rewriting the mcat AFTER submitting the AMCAS application to be competitive to Canadian schools. Thoughts on that? Also if my score improves (which I hope to do so especially in the CARS section, can I update the us med schools on my better score?) Thanks again!
  5. Question for current US MD candidates: So I've applied to a number of US MD schools and had a few interviews which I felt good about, but now I'm having pretty serious doubts about how paying for all of this is going to go since the current USD/CDN= 1.33. It would just really suck if I were accepted and but then had to be relegated to the Caribbean because US MD was too expensive. Ontario is a possibility where I stand, but I can't depend on it. I understand that Canadian banks can give me LOC up to $275,000 CAD, that OSAP can help a bit (anyone know how much?), and I've got a small parental contribution that's meager in comparison with what I'll need. For instance, one of the schools I interviewed at has listed tuition/fees + living expenses to be $85,000 USD/year. Now this would be okay if we USD/CAN was 1 or lower like during that lovely recession, but the current ratio is really making me worried since, since assuming that $275,000 CAD was the max LOC, my total expenses would far surpass it at $452,000. I've accepted that if I go this route, I'm going to have massive debt, but are there other viable loan options for me to consider? Is multiple LOCs a thing? Is this published LOC limit a hard cut-off under these circumstances? How are current US MDs who don't have large contributions from parents/savings doing it? Thanks!
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