la marzocco Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/12/11/breaking-news-province-pulls-out-of-arbitration-with-oma.html The province has pulled out of arbitration with the Ontario Medical Association, stating they have “lost confidence” in the organization that represents doctors after a number of specialists recently split from the group. But the OMA charged Tuesday that the government is violating its legal obligation in arbitration which was supposed to resume Saturday in the almost five-year-old contract dispute over what doctors can bill the province for services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Dramaaa.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la marzocco Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Edict said: Dramaaa.. If Quebec is an example.. FMSQ and the FMOQ: one bargaining party for specialists and one for family physicians (omnipracticiens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureERDoc Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Can someone explain this? I keep hearing rumblings about 1) reduction in pay rates/billing prices and 2) a greater push towards privatization (in fields like ophtho?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1234 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 The entire situation makes me embarrassed to be a physician. There is so much pettiness in medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, blah1234 said: The entire situation makes me embarrassed to be a physician. There is so much pettiness in medicine. Ontario was giving physicians the royal screw job for years. It would make me more embarrassed to be a resident on ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfdes Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 This just seems like such a mess now. I wonder how Dr. Jacobs sees this playing out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasé Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, blah1234 said: The entire situation makes me embarrassed to be a physician. There is so much pettiness in medicine. How is fighting to avoid fee cuts being petty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroD Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 OMA and the government agreed on arbitration after millions were spent on meetings and voting. Now they just want to pull out unilaterally? I've already decided how I'm voting in the next election. The OMA isn't impressing me much either these days. In a petty bid to win back OSA groups, the first add I've seen from the OMA in ages was a youtube pre-roll justifying ophtho billing...if they aren't careful they're going to lose both their base AND those who have been courted by the OSA. In either case, practicing in Ontario (which has had the lowest physician salary growth over the last 20 years) just keeps getting less and less attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la marzocco Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, PhD2MD said: OMA and the government agreed on arbitration after millions were spent on meetings and voting. Now they just want to pull out unilaterally? I've already decided how I'm voting in the next election. The OMA isn't impressing me much either these days. In a petty bid to win back OSA groups, the first add I've seen from the OMA in ages was a youtube pre-roll justifying ophtho billing...if they aren't careful they're going to lose both they're base AND those who have been courted by the OSA. In either case, practicing in Ontario (which has had the lowest physician salary growth over the last 20 years) just keeps getting less and less attractive. Really nailed it. Infighting never helps. But, OMA has been plagued with its nonchalence and neglect towards the viewpoints and interests of its members as collective for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1234 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Blasé said: How is fighting to avoid fee cuts being petty? The intention is fine. I'm more so referencing how different groups within medicine behave towards each other. Also, I feel way too much of our dirty laundry is aired publically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1234 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, NLengr said: Ontario was giving physicians the royal screw job for years. It would make me more embarrassed to be a resident on ON. I think that's the way medicine is heading in Canada as a whole. Having talked to friends in other provinces I think the pressure on physicians will only increase no matter where you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakoon Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, PhD2MD said: OMA and the government agreed on arbitration after millions were spent on meetings and voting. Now they just want to pull out unilaterally? I've already decided how I'm voting in the next election. The OMA isn't impressing me much either these days. In a petty bid to win back OSA groups, the first add I've seen from the OMA in ages was a youtube pre-roll justifying ophtho billing...if they aren't careful they're going to lose both they're base AND those who have been courted by the OSA. In either case, practicing in Ontario (which has had the lowest physician salary growth over the last 20 years) just keeps getting less and less attractive. So that ad was about that LMAO, I thought it was kinda randomly targeted (like why would the OMA use ophtho as a poster specialty). well, that explains a lot more now, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, blah1234 said: The intention is fine. I'm more so referencing how different groups within medicine behave towards each other. Also, I feel way too much of our dirty laundry is aired publically. I think the stuff aired out in public pales in comparison to what must be going on in private. It's a big issue and people are pretty aggressive about their billing, which makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetherus Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 35 minutes ago, Pakoon said: So that ad was about that LMAO, I thought it was kinda randomly targeted (like why would the OMA use ophtho as a poster specialty). well, that explains a lot more now, thanks! Do you have the link to the ad by any chance? Wasn't able to find it through google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1234 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Edict said: I think the stuff aired out in public pales in comparison to what must be going on in private. It's a big issue and people are pretty aggressive about their billing, which makes sense. Yea, I underestimated as a learner how much internal politics factors into the entire situation. As a staff now, I can understand why people would want to defend their billings, but I am disappointed in how quick we all throw each other under the bus. It's hard to keep optimistic about the outcome and even harder if you've ever attended a council meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakoon Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Aetherus said: Do you have the link to the ad by any chance? Wasn't able to find it through google. I tried to find it for a solid half hour, no luck. To summarize it was an elderly man saying the doc fixed his eyes so he could watch his granddaughter play hockey, and he was glad she went through 15 years of schooling to be competent enough to give him the care he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aconitase Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 It seems that the Government is using the OSA to back out of BA. We know Dr. Jacobs is a PC supporter. Have to wonder if this is what he wanted all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroD Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Aconitase said: It seems that the Government is using the OSA to back out of BA. We know Dr. Jacobs is a PC supporter. Have to wonder if this is what he wanted all along For sure. It's no coincidence. Ford's buddy makes a half-baked case for separating, then Ford says he's got a reason to back out. Physicians are SO poorly respected by the government. Liberals and PC. I'm not a fan of privatization, in fact I think the data supports public healthcare, but the assumption in those models is that physicians are basically civil servants at the whim of their governments...which would be fine if physicians were treated with respect. I don't fault people who push for privatization when their current "employer" has been so terrible for so long. I think anyone in any sector would want some freedom from that employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la marzocco Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 According to the reports reviewed by CBC News, the biggest non-party spender in the run-up to the election campaign was the Ontario Medical Association. The doctors' negotiating body spent a total of $596,652 in the campaign and pre-campaign period. The OMA spent about $248,000 of that on radio ads. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-proud-election-advertising-spending-1.4941210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe1313 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 With "off the book" camper cars and lowering requirements to put your bff in charge of the OPP, this government is shaping out nicely. The OMA and a large amount doctors were super enthusiastic and supportive of this government. They deserve everything this government does to them. But dougy seems to love "helping" out his friends, so maybe Dr. Jacobs will get something out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGo1990 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 12 hours ago, maybe1313 said: With "off the book" camper cars and lowering requirements to put your bff in charge of the OPP, this government is shaping out nicely. The OMA and a large amount doctors were super enthusiastic and supportive of this government. They deserve everything this government does to them. But dougy seems to love "helping" out his friends, so maybe Dr. Jacobs will get something out of this. So your alternative was for doctors to vote for a government that slandered, lied, and was openly hostile towards them? Makes sense. Lol. Or do you think they should have voted NDP? There was some logic to voting conservative because there was at least some chance of a favourable outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughboy Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 8:35 AM, PhD2MD said: Physicians are SO poorly respected by the government. Liberals and PC. Governments come, governments go. I'm beginning to think the problem lies a layer deeper; and that the upper-level bureaucracy in the MOH has decided that their best strategy going forward (likely for financial reasons) is to play hardball, no matter what colour of necktie is being worn by the premier of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroD Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, ploughboy said: Governments come, governments go. I'm beginning to think the problem lies a layer deeper; and that the upper-level bureaucracy in the MOH has decided that their best strategy going forward (likely for financial reasons) is to play hardball, no matter what colour of necktie is being worn by the premier of the day. Makes sense, I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. Sounds like your saying that there's a consistent group in charge of the MOH that isn't elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughboy Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, PhD2MD said: Makes sense, I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. Sounds like your saying that there's a consistent group in charge of the MOH that isn't elected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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