If you do Canadian FM residency outside home province, can you go back home after to work?

[blueskyguy]

Hello all,

I have a few questions that I am hoping someone will be able to answer.

I am a Canadian currently in my 3rd year at a U.S. med school. I am hoping to return to Canada for a FM residency. I am from Ontario.

Firstly, would I be able to complete a FM residency outside of Ontario? If so, would I be able to return to Ontario to live and work after my FM residency?

What is this process like? Is it pretty straightforward?

Thank you all for the insight. I look forward to hearing from you!

[rmorelan]

1 hour ago, blueskyguy said:

Hello all,

I have a few questions that I am hoping someone will be able to answer.

I am a Canadian currently in my 3rd year at a U.S. med school. I am hoping to return to Canada for a FM residency. I am from Ontario.

Firstly, would I be able to complete a FM residency outside of Ontario? If so, would I be able to return to Ontario to live and work after my FM residency?

What is this process like? Is it pretty straightforward?

Thank you all for the insight. I look forward to hearing from you!

hey!

yes you would be able to complete your residency in any province 

absolutely nothing stopping you post that residency from returning to Ontario - residency training is recognized the same in every province. 

The process would be just applying for an Ontario license, followed by setting up your practise. 

[JohnGrisham]

4 hours ago, blueskyguy said:

Hello all,

I have a few questions that I am hoping someone will be able to answer.

I am a Canadian currently in my 3rd year at a U.S. med school. I am hoping to return to Canada for a FM residency. I am from Ontario.

Firstly, would I be able to complete a FM residency outside of Ontario? If so, would I be able to return to Ontario to live and work after my FM residency?

What is this process like? Is it pretty straightforward?

Thank you all for the insight. I look forward to hearing from you!

Hi Bluesky,

We have spoken numerous times before, hope you are well.  rmorelan has answered your question well! I would strongly encourage you to really get to know the process of residency and CaRMS as well as NRMP a.s.a.p. I fear that if you are asking questions like this(we all start from somewhere no doubt), as a MS3, then I am quite concerned at how you will fare with all the necessary steps to put yourself in the best footing if you truly want to match back to Canada for FM.  

[LittleDaisy]

In the worst scenario, you can always do US family medicine residency, and come back to practice in Ontario. When you intend to practice in Ontario as a family physician, you can be clinically supervised for 1 year or challenge LMCC part 1 and part 2 to gain independent practice license.

Most U.S physicians that I know would take some time off to write LMCC part 1/part 2; as you will have to find a clinical supervisor on your own for 1 year to audit your charts/write reports to CPSO, which is a huge amount of responsibility with no salary associated. 

I have to be honest that even if US medical graduates are in the same stream as CMG, the preference still goes to CMG for all residency spots, unless your file is significant stronger no matter which medical school you went to. There will always be a bias. 

There is no restriction to practice as a Canadian family medicine resident, i.e--> you can practice where you want, except if you are not fluent in French to practice in Quebec. Best of luck  

[rmorelan]

also having gone through both the LMCC and the USMLE exams - there is a lot of overlap there. It would surprise me if someone considering the US->Can route wasn't already thinking about doing the related exams around the same point in time, just like those keeping the US option open often do so the other way  

Not that it is all trivial of course, but that is just how I have seen it personally. 

[LittleDaisy]

20 hours ago, rmorelan said:

also having gone through both the LMCC and the USMLE exams - there is a lot of overlap there. It would surprise me if someone considering the US->Can route wasn't already thinking about doing the related exams around the same point in time, just like those keeping the US option open often do so the other way  

Not that it is all trivial of course, but that is just how I have seen it personally. 

You would be surprised. I met a few US trained physicians who are practising in Ontario, who swore that they thought that both countries accept bilaterally its medical and residency training, when you know that there are nuances and discrepancies. 

It's not fun to do LMCC1 &LMCC2 when you are a specialist, I would urge that US medical students consider Canadian route to do LMCC1 & LMCC2 early. 

[rmorelan]

16 minutes ago, LittleDaisy said:

You would be surprised. I met a few US trained physicians who are practising in Ontario, who swore that they thought that both countries accept bilaterally its medical and residency training, when you know that there are nuances and discrepancies. 

It's not fun to do LMCC1 &LMCC2 when you are a specialist, I would urge that US medical students consider Canadian route to do LMCC1 & LMCC2 early. 

hmmm ok. Well that is a clear lack of investigation into the rules - failing to plan is like planning to fail ha. 

and no it is not fun - going either direction as a specialist. You just know you are studying a ton of stuff that truly is of no value. 

[JohnGrisham]

3 hours ago, rmorelan said:

hmmm ok. Well that is a clear lack of investigation into the rules - failing to plan is like planning to fail ha. 

and no it is not fun - going either direction as a specialist. You just know you are studying a ton of stuff that truly is of no value. 

Agreed. 

It's always shocking when you run into the few that went abroad and don't know these details. The one thing I will give credit to carrib schools like Ross and SGU, they hire ex-CaRMS people(re: Sandra Banner) and make sure their students know about CaRMS and NRMP and the logistics.

Though anyone leaving Canada, should really know all of this before they even leave and do their due diligence when spending 300k+. 

[rmorelan]

9 hours ago, JohnGrisham said:

Agreed. 

It's always shocking when you run into the few that went abroad and don't know these details. The one thing I will give credit to carrib schools like Ross and SGU, they hire ex-CaRMS people(re: Sandra Banner) and make sure their students know about CaRMS and NRMP and the logistics.

Though anyone leaving Canada, should really know all of this before they even leave and do their due diligence when spending 300k+. 

Ha that is extremely funny - Sandra Banner is about as high up as you can get.