takasugi Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, William Osler said: Is anyone's first choice school Mac anymore? (If so, why?) Has the lottery and cancellation of MMI changed your perspective on them? For me, I think Mac is still my first choice. Its a 3 year program which is good for someone that is a little older and for saving money as well. Additionally, its close to the GTA. I think the lottery thing just made me hesitate a bit. It may be slightly weird to be in a class of people, some of whom were selected by random. But I think the other factors I mentioned (such as location, 3 years) are more important than Mac's selection process. ptstudent96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDLD Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, MedicineLCS said: The button is tied to acceptances in the past and in videos, we'll see if that's true on May 12th. Just wondering what videos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Nystead Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, MDLD said: Just wondering what videos? https://www.ouac.on.ca/101-tutorials/ Video 6 and 7 - you see the button when the interface has offers - Its for undergrads but its the same interface MDrapper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDLD Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, William Osler said: https://www.ouac.on.ca/101-tutorials/ Video 7 thanks! I have used all my reaction up today haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizaloo223 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, MedicineLCS said: I'll preface my point by repeating that speculation is pointless (but it does pass the time!). That being said. The % of buttons in the thread has remained consistently between 50-60% for Mac interviewees (32 as of my last count). If there are still a 100 applicants who get offers this percentage skyrockets. Even if you believe in response bias/a more competitive pool (which I do) that would be extremely high for first round offers. The whole "high CARS/GPA=top 100" is missing that CASPer makes up a solid 1/3rd of the preinterview score. It's perfectly possible that the majority consists of people with high-mid stats (130+, 3.8+) who really nailed CASPer. At the same time, it's possible the person with the 4.0/132 bombed CASPer (comparatively) and was carried to an interview on their stats largely. Before making theories it's worth checking the assumptions, which I don't think are valid. I did something similar to the stats grouping previously posted, and I can tell you, when you sort by GPA or CARS score it's not "no button" from the top to some random place in the middle where they shop up. Buttons pop up, randomly seemingly, up and down the range of possible scores reported. Someone with a 132 has a button. Someone with a 4.0 has the button. Both are not slouches in the other number. Add in self-reported scores bias and it's quite apparent that it's all over the range. Add in a MASSIVE CASPer black box and I think making theories is pointless. The button is tied to acceptances in the past and in videos, we'll see if that's true on May 12th. Rn in the poll 50 people have already replied saying they got a button. If there are only 100ish lottery seats, a 50% response rate is very high. I agree, we have a bias to assume people with high gpa, high cars automatically should be top 100. In reality, if they bombed Casper they could have the same ranking as someone with okay stats MD_Dream97, DrOtter and Overstressed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowfactor Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 * UPDATED with Proxy Casper Measure * I divided you guys into 3 groups. 1. People with Button GPA 3.58 / 131 - BUTTON GPA 3.83 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.92 / 127 - BUTTON GPA 3.93 /129 - BUTTON GPA 3.6 / 130 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 125 - BUTTON GPA 3.79 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.75 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.85 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.91 / 127 - BUTTON GPA 3.92 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.90 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.91 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 127 - BUTTON GPA 3.95 / 130 (did not apply to Casper-heavy school) - BUTTON GPA 3.99 / 129 (did not apply to Casper-heavy school) - BUTTON GPA 3.85 / 131 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 130 (Rejection from UOttawa) - BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 130 (Rejection from UOttawa) - BUTTON 2. People without Button with higher stats (3.95+/130+ OR 3.97+/129+) GPA 3.98 / 132 (Invitation from UOttawa)- NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 131 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 4.0 / 131(Casper ?) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.95+(?) / 131 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 4.0 / 129 (Casper?)- NO BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 3.98 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 132 (Casper?) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.95 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON 3. People without Button with similar stats with people with Button GPA 3.87 / 125 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 128 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.84 / 132 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.89 / 129 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.90 / 129 - NO BUTTON The button should mean something, and I am really excited to see which one (group 1 or 3 ) will be accepted at Mac with group 2. Every one of us must be curious about it, so let's add button/no button on the acceptance/ rejection thread. Great Casper score seems to be required in addition to the high GPA and CARS stats to be in the top 100. MD_Dream97, babakoto and fingerscrossed2020 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fingerscrossed2020 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, pureblue said: There are IP applicants earlier in the thread who have 4.0/130+ and got an interview at Manitoba as OOP, so at LEAST average-strong CASPer since it makes up 30% of pre-interview score. These applicants are definitely top 100.. I'm guessing that the button is likely meaningless And they have a button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applicant5050 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, fingerscrossed2020 said: And they have a button? Nope, all with no button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizaloo223 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, pureblue said: There are IP applicants earlier in the thread who have 4.0/130+ and got an interview at Manitoba as OOP, so at LEAST average-strong CASPer since it makes up 30% of pre-interview score. These applicants are definitely top 100.. I'm guessing that the button is likely meaningless OOP Manitoba is interesting. They have to have a higher Casper score than most other applicants that also applied to Manitoba in their pool.....aka other people with high gpa/cars. we have no idea how their Casper score compares to a larger group of applicants (5000) of which there's a different demographic of people, since Casper scoring is percentile based. MedicineLCS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineLCS Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, pureblue said: There are IP applicants earlier in the thread who have 4.0/130+ and got an interview at Manitoba as OOP, so at LEAST average-strong CASPer since it makes up 30% of pre-interview score. These applicants are definitely top 100.. I'm guessing that the button is likely meaningless 1 minute ago, lizaloo223 said: we have no idea how their Casper score compares to a larger group of applicants (5000) of which there's a different demographic of people, since Casper scoring is percentile based. Exactly. I've noted it before, but school to school CASPer comparisons (which I'm guilty of personally) are relying on the flawed assumption that the pools are similar. Scenario one (Manitoba): 877 applicants (399 OOP). CASPer worth 30% Scenario two (McMaster): ~5,000 applicants (who knows how many OOP). CASPer worth 33% Both schools use Z=scores. It's not hard to imagine that the McMaster CASPer school pool ( which is almost 6 times as large!) is more competitive. Really, all the data shows is that higher scores (self-reported I would add) are over represented here. To me, this is part sampling/reporting bias, part lying/exaggeration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizaloo223 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, MedicineLCS said: Exactly. I've noted it before, but school to school CASPer comparisons (which I'm guilty of personally) are relying on the flawed assumption that the pools are similar. Scenario one (Manitoba): 877 applicants (399 OOP). CASPer worth 30% Scenario two (McMaster): ~5,000 applicants (who knows how many OOP). CASPer worth 33% Both schools use Z=scores. It's not hard to imagine that the McMaster CASPer school pool ( which is almost 6 times as large!) is more competitive. Really, all the data shows is that higher scores (self-reported I would add) are over represented here. To me, this is part sampling/reporting bias, part lying/exaggeration. Even more so, I'm pretty sure your score/ranking is compared to only those in your applicant pool, which is 399 people with stats of 3.9+ and MCAT > 515. It's not very representative of McMaster Applicants at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieMac Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 - mdhopefullyidk and MD_Dream97 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdhopefullyidk Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Obviously a huge coincidence, but if you find the average score for those with a button (based on the data above), you get CARS = 129 and GPA = 3.87 which I think is the exact admission statistics average from last year. This likely means nothing because of our small sample size but thought it was funny TheFlyGuy, MD_Dream97, Rabeprazole and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrcplstake Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just another data point! Button, gpa = 3.97, cars = 129, interviewed at Mac and queens (only applied to those two and u of t) campus ranking: nrc > Hamilton > wrc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Nystead Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, wowfactor said: * UPDATED with Proxy Casper Measure * I divided you guys into 3 groups. 1. People with Button GPA 3.58 / 131 - BUTTON GPA 3.83 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.92 / 127 - BUTTON GPA 3.93 /129 - BUTTON GPA 3.6 / 130 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 125 - BUTTON GPA 3.79 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.75 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.85 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.91 / 127 - BUTTON GPA 3.92 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.90 / 128 - BUTTON GPA 3.91 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 129 - BUTTON GPA 3.95 / 130 (did not apply to Casper-heavy school) - BUTTON GPA 3.99 / 129 (did not apply to Casper-heavy school) - BUTTON GPA 3.85 / 131 - BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 130 (Rejection from UOttawa) - BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 130 (Rejection from UOttawa) - BUTTON 2. People without Button with higher stats (GPA 3.95+ AND/OR CARS 129+) GPA 3.98 / 132 (Invitation from UOttawa)- NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 131 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 4.0 / 131(Casper ?) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.95+(?) / 131 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 4.0 / 129 (Casper?)- NO BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON Another GPA 3.98 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.98 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 129 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 4.0 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.97 / 132 (Casper?) - NO BUTTON GPA 3.95 / 130 (Invitation from UOttawa) - NO BUTTON 3. People without Button with similar stats with people with Button GPA 3.87 / 125 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.96 / 128 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.84 / 132 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.89 / 129 - NO BUTTON GPA 3.90 / 129 - NO BUTTON The button should mean something, and I am really excited to see which one (group 1 or 3 ) will be accepted at Mac with group 2. Every one of us must be curious about it, so let's add button/no button on the acceptance/ rejection thread. Great Casper score seems to be required in addition to the high GPA and CARS stats to be in the top 100. Pretty convinced button = lottery 102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premed1995 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Adding my button data point: Have the button, Gpa 3.88 Cars 128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dippandpip Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Also Adding my Data point Have button, GPA: 3.99 CARS 127 I also hope to God that it's not the regional campus. I can't live far from Toronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takasugi Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Waterloo and St. Catherine's are not that far from Toronto.... chxiel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Nystead Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, takasugi said: Waterloo and St. Catherine's are not that far from Toronto.... Hamilton: 47min Waterloo: 1h 10min St. Catherine's: 1h 11min Maybe it's commentary how far these cities are from toronto in terms of diversity, food diversity, transport, population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowmanTheSWOMEN Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 I mean... waitlisters will be happy to have your spot LOL reginageorge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawMD Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 Also would like to add my data point 3.92 GPA 127 CARS Received uO interview as well have button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, William Osler said: Hamilton: 47min Waterloo: 1h 10min St. Catherine's: 1h 11min Maybe it's commentary how far these cities are from toronto in terms of diversity, food diversity, transport, population IF they are worried about 47 -1 hour drive, they shouldn't go to medical school. Strong chance that you will have to move for residency, and for some across the country. Something every applicant should be aware of as a realistic possibility. premed1995, IMislove, premed72 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerscrossed2020 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 As a non-buttoner who ranked a regional campus as my top choice... if that button means regional campus offer, god I wish I was in that boat (goes without saying I'd love a hamilton offer too ofc) edit: I completely understand why commuting extra wouldn't be desirable though, no snarkiness indended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Nystead Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, fingerscrossed2020 said: edit: I completely understand why commuting extra wouldn't be desirable though, no snarkiness indended If they have in-person MF1 with regional campus and main campus students, I will pass away. I do not believe that will hapen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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