tayyabpirzada Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hey so the original list was back from 2008 I think. Could anyone provide an updated list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hey so the original list was back from 2008 I think. Could anyone provide an updated list? The list on page one was updated in 2013. It's good for the coming cycle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastedbread Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hi Mashmetoo and COMSA-premed! I'm interested in applying during this cycle as it comes to a close (classes starting in 2014) but since I'm unfamiliar with rolling apps, I'm not sure if there would be many/any seats left or what level of competition there is for the remaining seats. I'm sitting at a 3.45cGPA (3.7 in my last 2.5 years) with a 29Q MCAT. Can you give me any input on the applying late, or if it's even worth applying for 2014 at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi Mashmetoo and COMSA-premed! I'm interested in applying during this cycle as it comes to a close (classes starting in 2014) but since I'm unfamiliar with rolling apps, I'm not sure if there would be many/any seats left or what level of competition there is for the remaining seats. I'm sitting at a 3.45cGPA (3.7 in my last 2.5 years) with a 29Q MCAT. Can you give me any input on the applying late, or if it's even worth applying for 2014 at this point? Way too late at this point. The 2013 cycle started June 1st 2013. There's no point applying now. You should try for the June 1st 2014 cycle for the 2015 entering class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borborygmi Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I've been doing research on American options if Canadian applications don't work out for me this year. DO schools have become more interesting to me. One of my concerns is financing tuition. I was looking through the tuition document here: http://www.aacom.org/data/tuitionfees/Documents/Tuition-Fees-1st-yr-2011-12-n-historical.PDF MSU has a first year tuition of ~80 000 USD, so theoretically, I'd be looking at amassing over 300 000 dollars in debt by the end of residency. Do Canadians still qualify for the 150k CA line of credit given to Canadian medical students if they attend a DO program in the US? And even so, how do people make up for a 150k line of credit only covering a portion of their tuition without even considering living costs. I'd really appreciate some guidance about how people have managed this. This whole thread has been really informative and helpful. Thanks very much. I haven't made it through all ~60 pages, but I'm getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamyofinternal Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 My sister was able to get 225k from the bank with our parents as a consigner, and the rest of the money for remaining tuition and living expenses is from our parents. If you're getting interviews at Canadian schools, give it another cycle too while looking at the US. If you can get interviews in Canada you can get into a US MD school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazyboy Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 >>My sister was able to get 225k from the bank with our parents as a consigner << I hope people realized what consigner means. Both you and your parents are responsible for the loan in case of a default. That is why only parent is willing to do that. Moreover, your parents will have to go through credit check and the loan amount will show up in their credit report; and the loan will reduce their ability to get additional loan as long as the loan amount is not paid in full. The good thing about MSU is the rent and expense is actually cheaper over there. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borborygmi Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I'll have to do further research, I guess. The 150k line of credit seems like it will run out relatively quickly (if it's even possible to get that amount for DO). A school with tuition as high as MSU basically implies that you either come from a wealthy background or are willing to go into ~350-400k worth of debt to complete the degree. Which I'm certainly not willing to do. I'm applying as a mature applicant (34 years old this year) and so I lose ~10 years of time to pay back loans that younger applicants would have. Finances are definitely a concern for me. I appreciate the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Is there a way to shadow a DO physician in Canada? I live in the GTA area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slashsev Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 join comsa they have a list theres also a fb group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slashsev Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've been doing research on American options if Canadian applications don't work out for me this year. DO schools have become more interesting to me. One of my concerns is financing tuition. I was looking through the tuition document here: http://www.aacom.org/data/tuitionfees/Documents/Tuition-Fees-1st-yr-2011-12-n-historical.PDF MSU has a first year tuition of ~80 000 USD, so theoretically, I'd be looking at amassing over 300 000 dollars in debt by the end of residency. Do Canadians still qualify for the 150k CA line of credit given to Canadian medical students if they attend a DO program in the US? And even so, how do people make up for a 150k line of credit only covering a portion of their tuition without even considering living costs. I'd really appreciate some guidance about how people have managed this. This whole thread has been really informative and helpful. Thanks very much. I haven't made it through all ~60 pages, but I'm getting there. DUDE HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH?! IM NOT EVEN GOING TO BOTHER, but good luck to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame11 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I'll have to do further research, I guess. The 150k line of credit seems like it will run out relatively quickly (if it's even possible to get that amount for DO). A school with tuition as high as MSU basically implies that you either come from a wealthy background or are willing to go into ~350-400k worth of debt to complete the degree. Which I'm certainly not willing to do. I'm applying as a mature applicant (34 years old this year) and so I lose ~10 years of time to pay back loans that younger applicants would have. Finances are definitely a concern for me. I appreciate the feedback. Look into other DO schools. DMU doesn't accept Canadians any more, but they only charge ~$40k/year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Which DO schools in America if any require 5 courses per semester? I'm in Co-Op and my co-op supervisor said that it's not possible for me to take more than 4 courses a semester for the duration of my degree (which will take longer) because I switched from Co-Op Neuroscience to Co-Op Mental Health (Clinical Neuropsychology) during my second (current) year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMSA-premed Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Out of curiosity, can you explain why being in co-op would alter how many courses you can take in non co-op terms? I have never heard of that, and it doesn't make any sense from a perspective of a student who has done a co-op degree. Schools in the US, just like Canada will want to see you can handle a normal courseload, while doing things such as volunteering and working. With that said, there shouldn't be a problem with not taking 5 courses in some terms, and having it light - if you are working more to compensate. W.R.T Canada, however, it would be in your best interest to maintain 5 courses to take advantage of weighting formulas by various Ontario Medical Schools. You should check the specific medical schools websites to see what the requirements are. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I can't have more than 18.5 credits before my second work term or my co-op supervisor said I would be ineligible to do the work term. Since I have a surplus of credits due to taking summer courses, he has effectively forced me to take 4 courses a semester and also graduate in 6 years rather than 5 (usually 5 for co-op students). This is because I switched to an entirely different program (Neuroscience to Mental Health which is essentially Clinical Neuropsychology) while I had all these course prerequisites done for Neuroscience but only 3 courses (Intro Psych I and II, and Introductory Neuropsychology) completed for the Mental Health Major. This is my situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Also, for the MSU requirement of "genetics", does a course in molecular biology count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I can't have more than 18.5 credits before my second work term or my co-op supervisor said I would be ineligible to do the work term. Since I have a surplus of credits due to taking summer courses, he has effectively forced me to take 4 courses a semester and also graduate in 6 years rather than 5 (usually 5 for co-op students). This is because I switched to an entirely different program (Neuroscience to Mental Health which is essentially Clinical Neuropsychology) while I had all these course prerequisites done for Neuroscience but only 3 courses (Intro Psych I and II, and Introductory Neuropsychology) completed for the Mental Health Major. This is my situation. I don't think I came across any schools that required you to take a certain amount of courses per year. At least not when I applied. As long as you are able to graduate, you'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 So no DO school will penalize you for taking 4 courses a semester you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 So no DO school will penalize you for taking 4 courses a semester you mean? No, there's no rule that says you have to take more than 4 courses. I took 4 courses in my last year, got in just fine. Only UofT is anal like that. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Hi guys, our next seminar will be held at University of Calgary. You don't need to be a student there to attend, all are welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
advair250 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 18.5 credits is more than 5 classes isn't it, what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted January 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 58 Canadians matriculated at DO schools in 2013 (out of 175 applicants)... the most Canadian matriculants ever seen. This success rate (33%) is a marked uptick from 2012 (26%). [Published 1/24/14 at http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Pages/default.aspx] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrewmrew Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hi guys, our next seminar will be held at University of Calgary. You don't need to be a student there to attend, all are welcome! Come to Western! There's many many many premeds here and I think they'd be very interested in hearing about the DO path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayyabpirzada Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 So due to co-op I finish my degree in 4 more years from now. I'm writing the MCAT this summer (because it changes to MCAT 2015 next year). It remains valid for 3 years. So my question is, do you have to apply the year you're graduating from undergrad or can you apply the year before and send MCAT scores in then as well to DO schools, particularly Western or MSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMSA-premed Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 If you don't finish your degree 4 years from now, you can't apply until the summer before your last year. So that would be 3 years from now. The majority of US schools require you to have a Bachelors degree to matriculate. The very few that don't, very rarely take students without them. If you're not applying for 3-4 years, don't take the MCAT this summer. Some schools require your MCAT to be within the last 2-3 years, so you might run the risk of it expiring. Additionally, some schools may be no longer taking the old MCAT once 2016 hits, as it would be difficult to compare the two based on different grading schemes. An example of this is UofC for example.. This is just a hypothesis, so just take that into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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