Hockeytalk Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I actually agree with you about the competition thing seeing your arguments, you make valid points. I don't agree with what you say about UofT being "more mature and grad students compared to undergrads or high school. Actually, Sydney U and Melbourne U DMD/DDS programs require a bachelors degree and DAT to apply, I think you are thinking about the Bachelor of Dentistry, which is also offered at these schools but those programs are only good for AUS dentistry and are totally different programs than the DMD/DDS. And actually most of my classmates are mature and have multiple degrees, alot with masters degrees etc. They also have great stats, all 85%+, you're making it sound like AUS dental students have Bs, no we are all A/A+ students, it's just that when it's as competitive as Canada, it's hard to choose applicants because all of them that interview and are excellent - even schools admit that the selection process is so hard that they admit refusing equally qualified applicants, look even I had 89%GPA 20+ DAT, lots of extra cur, etc. and I;ve seen people with lower stats than me get in Can schools, truth is when it comes down to the wire a weighed difference of 0.1 can make a difference between the last spot and the next 5 applicants... don't try to argue that those 5 next applicants had "way lower stats" than the upper 5 its just not true. Fair enough. I personally dont have an issue with the main aus schools. However you cannot deny the simple fact that it is more difficult to get into canadian schools. Understand that people here have busted their ass to get into schools in canada, and feel cheated by someone going international and coming back to be equals. Yes they are being unreasonable towards you, but it is bs from their perspective too. And youve been a real easy target on this forum too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostracized Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 First of all, creating a new account to attack someone is immature. Yes, it is easier to get into Australian school, but that is because they are up to double the price of Canadian schools. I have no envy at all of anyone paying $80-90K per year to go to dental school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koft Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Gee, having sat on interviewing committee for both medicine and dentistry. I can say all those who get interviewed have very competitive application and separated by decimal point. Doesn't matter whether you are going to Aussie, Caribbean for Dent, Meds, or etc. You are paying a premium on top of local schools. Seriously, would you go to Aussie if you have a choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDent2010 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Fair enough. I personally dont have an issue with the main aus schools. However you cannot deny the simple fact that it is more difficult to get into canadian schools. Understand that people here have busted their ass to get into schools in canada, and feel cheated by someone going international and coming back to be equals. Yes they are being unreasonable towards you, but it is bs from their perspective too. And youve been a real easy target on this forum too. I understand and I agree completely, and I understand their perspective. I have been a target on these forums, there is a lot of anger directed towards me as I probably represent the people that "cheat you can dmd/dds by using controversial alternative routes" and I am fine with that. I at least have some peace in seeing that there is an understanding amongst some of you who realize that this route has also many disadvantages, we are paying the price with a huge premium financially for not getting in can schools, and also being worlds away from our family/friends for 4 years+, we also probably never will be able to specialize, as can students will get preference, so even though these may not justify the controversy, it is not an easy path to take and we are definitely paying the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3u2 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 FTDs are foreign trained dentists that trained at non-CDA accredited programs in developing countries with lower standards, Are US/Can/AU the only first world countries? All other FTD who want to come to Canada come from developing countries? Are you listening to yourself? I think you are thinking about the Bachelor of Dentistry, which is also offered at these schools but those programs are only good for AUS dentistry and are totally different programs than the DMD/DDS. This is incorrect. Any graduates from any dental schools from AU since 2010 are eligible to write NDEB exam in Canada, including post-secondary school entry programs. You will also hear some older generation dentists in AU "believes" the traditional, 5-year dental program produces better dentists than the new, 4-year dental programs. This is, of course, their opinion. It could be correct, because in reality, they have one more year of clinical school that allowed you to do so much more. Regardless, all graduates have the same qualifications to work as a dentist. ------------------ To those of you who consider AU or now NZ as backdoor.....what about US dental schools? It's been decades since the reciprocal agreements had been in place. There are 50+ dental school in the states, probably about 20+ schools that accept international students including Canadians. There are way more specialty programs offered in the States than that of Canada. Many dentists/specialists in Canada were indeed trained from US. What do you say of them? ----------------- Doesn't matter whether you are going to Aussie, Caribbean for Dent, Meds, or etc. You are paying a premium on top of local schools. Seriously, would you go to Aussie if you have a choice? AU has nice weather, nice beaches, comparing to most, if not all of the Canadian cities. It is not a bad place to spend a few year of time, with the additional opportunity of get PR/citizenship as a skilled immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3u2 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 we also probably never will be able to specialize, as can students will get preference This is also not necessary true. Plenty of specialty programs in the US that will accept AU dentists. Those programs are recognized in Canada too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDent2010 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 This is also not necessary true. Plenty of specialty programs in the US that will accept AU dentists. Those programs are recognized in Canada too. Interesting. Do you know if AU grads are on par with US/CAN grads for consideration or is preference given to the ladder for any given specialty program? Also, do you know if a GPR would be helpful in any way for a dental grad wishing to specialize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMarauder Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Doesn't matter whether you are going to Aussie, Caribbean for Dent, Meds, or etc. You are paying a premium on top of local schools. Seriously, would you go to Aussie if you have a choice? I wouldn't have picked an Australian school if I had a choice. With that said, I'm very happy that I ended up here. The more time I spend getting to know the country, the more likely it is that I'll stay here in the long run (preferably Sydney and not Melbourne). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockeytalk Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Interesting. Do you know if AU grads are on par with US/CAN grads for consideration or is preference given to the ladder for any given specialty program? Also, do you know if a GPR would be helpful in any way for a dental grad wishing to specialize? http://programpages.passweb.org/search look at program requirements part II for the program you are interested in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncooling Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Face it CDENT2010, you've tried for three or four years. Every interviewer you've faced in the last few years at every school has not seen you competitive enough to enter dental school when compared to other applicants. I wonder why? It might have something to do with the fact that you're completely, absolutely, ****ing immature. Childish. Just because you apparently love something so much, does not mean you're entitled to it. I love how you tell FTDs "Don't be a hypocrite" when you were a high and mighty overzealous undergrad so confident getting into a canadian dental school with your stats. Now you run around with your tail between your legs trying to promote it as being just as good. Guess what? I also know students with < 3.0 GPAs that get into Aus dental schools. I guess the interviewers just saw through your self righteous bullcrap. "I ****ing LOVE DENTISTRY IT'LL BE AMAZING I'LL HAVE THE GREATEST TIME OF MY LIFE WHO CARES ABOUT MONEY THIS IS MY PASSION ILOVEDENTISTRYILOVEDENTISTRYILOVEDENTISTRYILOVEDENTISTRY". You've typed this so many times in this forum. Grow the **** up. You're completely insecure. If you were so certain on dentistry why do you need to spend all your time defending yourself going to Australia? Lots of people go to other countries, don't give a **** about it and don't look back. They don't waste their time on this forum "feeling shunned, humiliated". Only you do, because you're a kid. Scratch that, I know children with more self respect than you do. People like you make professional students look bad. Go home and mature a bit more before you enter the real world. Good point! But I think we should rather feel sympathy for this childish guy because he's paying a huge amount of money just to get a degree that's not even accredited in the States. Thank God our dental school has interviews to select quality students and not immature students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap_man99 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 No matter what people say. Cdent will be one a dentist and has the option of coming back to Canada, will be competent if that's the case. Not sure why everyone is raging on people that go to AUS schools. If tuition were lower, a lot of us wouldn't be in Canada right now. Reason why US and AUS schools have lower academic requirements if because of the money required to get into school there (not everyone has rich families that pay for their schooling. Not everyone has a house that they can put as collateral). I mean if someone can afford it, why wouldn't they go for it. Even at 100k a year, you'll only be in debt another 200k if you get in an extra earlier-assuming you make 100k a year and Canadian tuition is 100k total. So yea, while I admit that I wouldn't have wanted to go to AUS or the US for dental school. I would have if I didn't get into a Canadian school after a certain period of time. The Canadian selection process is also BS sometimes. CDA style interviews only need a format and you pass with flying colors. I forget who it was, but I have them advice after 2 years of not getting in. After I gave them advice on the interview they got in. Canadian interviews (exception McGill) tell you nothing in my opinion. People are saying that cdent is being immature, whatever. No need to flame him/her-honestly, making a new account to flame them. I just laugh at that. If you are in dent or are applying, I am ashamed to have to call you a colleague, assuming somewhere accepts you. Give it a rest people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rommel Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Anyone know why these guys don't just transfer after 1st year? Is it the Feb start thing that messes up half a year for you? or is the timing impossible because of this? This would save you tons of money and it would be way easier than applying into a CAN school with a poor GPA from undergrad. What are your comments folks? (yes I realize there are few spots but there are also few applicants) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostracized Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Anyone know why these guys don't just transfer after 1st year? Is it the Feb start thing that messes up half a year for you? or is the timing impossible because of this? This would save you tons of money and it would be way easier than applying into a CAN school with a poor GPA from undergrad. What are your comments folks? (yes I realize there are few spots but there are also few applicants) Transferring to Canadian schools is quite competitive. UofT has 0-2 transfer spots per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacStudent Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 No matter what people say. Cdent will be one a dentist and has the option of coming back to Canada, will be competent if that's the case. Not sure why everyone is raging on people that go to AUS schools. If tuition were lower, a lot of us wouldn't be in Canada right now. Reason why US and AUS schools have lower academic requirements if because of the money required to get into school there (not everyone has rich families that pay for their schooling. Not everyone has a house that they can put as collateral). I mean if someone can afford it, why wouldn't they go for it. Even at 100k a year, you'll only be in debt another 200k if you get in an extra earlier-assuming you make 100k a year and Canadian tuition is 100k total. So yea, while I admit that I wouldn't have wanted to go to AUS or the US for dental school. I would have if I didn't get into a Canadian school after a certain period of time. The Canadian selection process is also BS sometimes. CDA style interviews only need a format and you pass with flying colors. I forget who it was, but I have them advice after 2 years of not getting in. After I gave them advice on the interview they got in. Canadian interviews (exception McGill) tell you nothing in my opinion. People are saying that cdent is being immature, whatever. No need to flame him/her-honestly, making a new account to flame them. I just laugh at that. If you are in dent or are applying, I am ashamed to have to call you a colleague, assuming somewhere accepts you. Give it a rest people. +1 So true. Dentist = Dentist = Dentist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolsbreeze Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'm curious as to how long the path would be if a Canadian were to do a BDS in the UK and hoping to practice in Canada one day? I know australian schools have a reciprocity agreement with Canada and that would significantly cut the time down. However, I'm not sure about the UK, could anyone provide some more insight please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostracized Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 There is currently no reciprocity with the UK. So you'd have to complete a 2-3 year qualifying program (very competitive to get in to) or pass the equivilency exam (~10% pass rate). In short, it is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolsbreeze Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 There is currently no reciprocity with the UK. So you'd have to complete a 2-3 year qualifying program (very competitive to get in to) or pass the equivilency exam (~10% pass rate). In short, it is a bad idea. And how many times can you take the exam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostracized Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 You can take each section 3 times. There are 3 sections. But it is only offered once per year. Like I said, terrible idea if you only want to practice in Canada. Your odds of getting a license are slim and at best it would take you several years to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexonu Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I hope the flood gates open and the hordes of foreign trained dentists come spilling through since I'm in desperate need of a cheap root canal lol. Just kidding. I haven't read the entire thread but don't dentists have a regulatory body that prevents this sort of thing? I assume they've sold the profession out? I know with nursing we have limits on how many foreign trained nurses that can practice as per year, as well they have to go through rigorous competency tests which many fail. I think the thing that puts off most foreigners is that it can take up to 10 years to assess their credentials. If we didn't have caps we'd be competing with raves of philippinos who are used to working for pennies. Anyways good luck dentists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnadee Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 to add to the gloomy situation, these statistics from service canada are alarming..% of immigrants who're dentists represent twice the average of professions of other imigrants: "there is twice as high a proportion of immigrants in this occupation as in the average of all occupations (25% versus 12%, according to data from the 2006 Census)" Service Canada Outlook for Dentists: "Over the past few years, the number of dentists has increased significantly, mainly as a result of a rise in the demand for services offered by dentists, as well as labour pool growth. Even though the demand for services offered by dentists should increase slightly less rapidly than in the past, the number of new entrants in this occupation will continue to exceed by far the number of retirements and deaths. Consequently, the number of dentists is expected to continue to increase significantly over the coming years." http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/qc/job_futures/statistics/3113.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnadee Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I hope the flood gates open and the hordes of foreign trained dentists come spilling through since I'm in desperate need of a cheap root canal lol. Just kidding. I haven't read the entire thread but don't dentists have a regulatory body that prevents this sort of thing? I assume they've sold the profession out? I know with nursing we have limits on how many foreign trained nurses that can practice as per year, as well they have to go through rigorous competency tests which many fail. I think the thing that puts off most foreigners is that it can take up to 10 years to assess their credentials. If we didn't have caps we'd be competing with raves of philippinos who are used to working for pennies. Anyways good luck dentists.. just hope you dont go under the knife (so to speak) with one of those...you may get a cheap root canal only to lose the tooth soon..theres actually quite a bit of variation in the techniques and materials used by foreign dentists when it comes to doing a root canal..it doesnt help that the foreign licensing exams dont even test for clinical skills on endo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMarauder Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 in other words.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnadee Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 in other words.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik You can joke about it if you like but doesn't change any of the facts I've listed...I can go into more facts if you like...just recently heard from a friend who immigrated here from another country and is pursuing his dds degree...he was telling me how back home they still don't use gutta percha for root fillings...quite surprising given that it has become a standard material for root canal fillings...now imagine someone skipping competency on endo and setting up shop here...Doesn't that lead to double standards for dentistry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMarauder Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 My post wasn't geared towards you, but to the issue as a whole. There is definitely concern for the public, but I think most dentists/dental students are primarily worried about making the kind of living they want. Looking through the posts in threads related to this issue, how many times have "job prospects" or "saturation" come up? I was being half serious with the video in the sense that dentists in Canada and Australia keep saying "it's getting tough because so many foreign trained dentists are coming to Aus/Cad". Yes, it's shocking that they don't use GP for canal fillings, and I agree with you that the exmination process is not tough enough. On this side of the world, the same issue of allowing internationally trained dentists sit a few tests and practice as dentists exists. However, the skills of the foreign trained dentist will speak for themselves. Several of my demonstrators have worked in private practices with foreign trained dentists who sat the Australian dental equivalency examinations. They were fired shortly after for having inadequate skills. Eg. Leaving caries behind. but I get your point. Why wait for something bad to happen before doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UWOStudent89 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 My post wasn't geared towards you, but to the issue as a whole. There is definitely concern for the public, but I think most dentists/dental students are primarily worried about making the kind of living they want. Looking through the posts in threads related to this issue, how many times have "job prospects" or "saturation" come up? I was being half serious with the video in the sense that dentists in Canada and Australia keep saying "it's getting tough because so many foreign trained dentists are coming to Aus/Cad". Yes, it's shocking that they don't use GP for canal fillings, and I agree with you that the exmination process is not tough enough. On this side of the world, the same issue of allowing internationally trained dentists sit a few tests and practice as dentists exists. However, the skills of the foreign trained dentist will speak for themselves. Several of my demonstrators have worked in private practices with foreign trained dentists who sat the Australian dental equivalency examinations. They were fired shortly after for having inadequate skills. Eg. Leaving caries behind. but I get your point. Why wait for something bad to happen before doing anything. so what is your point??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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