Robin Hood Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 C'est une blague Il y a un autre programme qui est aussi bon que la MSc en pharmacothérapie avancée ... c'est le diplôme complémentaire (soins spécialisés). C'est une bonne option, mais c'est mieux d'y entrer du Masters Direct-Entry que du bac, sinon, tes notes risquent de souffrire . Si j'entre dans un programme qui est pas juge professionel, c'est ca que je compte faire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 University category wise, there will be some ES people but people should keep in mind that many people do not come from ES. People are from microbiology, immunology, physiology, biomedical studies, pharm, biochem, anatomy and cell biology, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, nursing, etc. They are ALL good preparation for medical school. MOST importantly, go to a program that you will be interested in or it will be a long 3/4 years! That means going to open houses, asking people in programs you are interested in what the program is. Evaluate your options. Ask any medical student, classes are very diverse and people from all programs are represented. All roads lead to Rome providing you are willing to walk the distance. What you say is entirely correct! Some of the programs you mention are beyond the reach of a Cegepien with medicore grades and once in, these programs can be extremely competitve and difficult to attain high grades. ES has been relatively easy to get into the program. And if you are of just average intelligence and prepared to work incredibly hard (most don't), you can become a top student in the program - which enhances your chances of accepted into med school. Most of the programs you mention would have been beyond my grasp at entry level (not that I was interested) and I am sure I never would have been a straight A student. It is not that ES is easier, it is different. As you say, "All roads lead to Rome". We each take our own path. And ES is particularly helpful as a pathway for students who did poorly in cegep and want a second chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1b1 Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Here is a list of pros and cons regarding the exercise science program at Concordia university. Exercise Science (the good) - Hard work (30-40hrs of study per week) = good grades (>3.8/4.3) - Program difficulty = moderate - Teachers are very approachable - Straightforward multiple choice exams - Practical/Fun Labs - Grading = Not subjective (except maybe labs... see below) - Environment = friendly, to my knowledge no cut throat premeds, even thought everyone is aiming for some professional school (OT/PT/MD/Pharm/Dentistry e.t.c) - Research opportunities : easily available - Volunteering/Student involvements (ECs) : easily available - Sources of help : easily available (learning lab, tutoring, office hours e.t.c) - No problems with the program as far as 60/40 rule and 30 credits a year. - If you pick your electives wisely, you can pretty much guarantee yourself an A+ with minimal work ( i.e INTE 290 ) Exercise science (the bad) - Lab Exams : can sometimes be subjective, depends on the luck of the draw, this is only the case for CATA labs/252 (prescription). - Loyola is far - The volume is alot (expect to be studying non stop if you want your grades to be top of the line. As mentioned earlier the material is not complicated but the volume is tremendous) - Exercise Physiology (the infamous course where the class average is low and only 2-3 people in 100 get an A-) - Not much of a back up plan unless you get into a professional school or do a masters (some may not agree with me here). I think that's about it, will update the list if anything else comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Another one of our members has decided to take this program in the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I recommend that you take the Specialization program and not the Honours program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzle Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 With all due respect, don't think this is a "good" path to med. This program is easier than others and really, I hope people with less aptitudes than they should have as an MD don't get in to the program... sorry to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 With all due respect, don't think this is a "good" path to med. This program is easier than others and really, I hope people with less aptitudes than they should have as an MD don't get in to the program... sorry to say. f_d did it, and she's in med school since 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1b1 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 With all due respect, don't think this is a "good" path to med. This program is easier than others and really, I hope people with less aptitudes than they should have as an MD don't get in to the program... sorry to say. I think you're misinterpreting the main idea here, by no means is this program an easy way that gets you into med with little to no work required. I would actually argue the opposite. The main benefit of this program is that it is not as subjective as others. If you study hard and put in the required work you get the grade, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Yes, the program is easier than others if you want a walk in the park and are satisfied with grades in the B range, which will definitely exclude you from being considered as a candidate for medical school. However, if like, you have mediocre grades from Cegep, in the past, you were able to get into this program. So, this has become a sort of second chance. To attain straight As, the program is very, very demanding. Self-sacrifice, focus, studying hard and smart, having no social life, treating your program in a professional manner is all required and more. The material is voluminous. The internships in the Specialization Program are demanding. Every A, A- & A+ is deserved and earned! Moreover, not only is it an excellent preparation for medicine, but you reinforce your theoretical knowledge in the clinical setting afforded to you in the internships, and you gain additional skills in partaking in the rehabilitation of a wide range of patients such as stroke victims, people ego suffered heart attacks,Mohave MS, Parkinson's, diabetes, etc. For sure it ain't easy and it definitely a pathway to medicine for those of us whom are aware. It was my second chance, I matured, developed a strong work ethic, became a self-learner and acquainted me with material I have studied in medicine. I highly recommend this program. Just ask a1b1 as just one who is in this program. Both of us have become top students in this program and our grades have not been accidental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 f_d did it, and she's in med school since 2 years. At least 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citan Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 With all due respect, don't think this is a "good" path to med. This program is easier than others and really, I hope people with less aptitudes than they should have as an MD don't get in to the program... sorry to say. Life's been rough on you lately, hasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I assure you, in Quebec where in the French speaking med schools they take into account the difficulty, they did not adjudged my program as easy. Have some respect man. Not only are you so harsh - unnecessarily so - you are wrong! You assume, falsely so, that exercise science is easier than whatever you consider "harder courses" by which you mean biochem/physics/immunology. You are an elist without humility. Let's explore it. In exercise science one studies, amongst others, biomedical ethics; emergency care; human anatomy: musculo-skeletal human anatomy (the musculosketal system and accompanying circulatory and neurological systems; human anatomy II: systemic anatomy with major focus being the anatomy of the central circulatory and central respiratory systems, and it also addresses the anatomy of the brain and spinal column as well as the integumentary, digestive, and urogenital systems; human physiology I: the neurological, bio-energetic and endocrine systems; neuro control of human movement; biomechanics of human movement; human physiology II: the cardiovascular and respiratory systems; physiology of exercise with special emphasis on examinig the functional capacity of the cardiovascular, rrespiratory, neuromuscular and endocrine systems to acute exercise; pathophysiology in clinical exercise: reviews pathophysiology, medical intervention techniques, and medication profiles of the most common neuromuscular and orthopeadic diseases and disabilities; clinical exercise physiology internship I: participate in physicial activity programming offered to special populations, e.g., working with chronic elderly patients with neuro and motor dsyfunctions stemming from strokes, Parkinsons, MS, etc., under supervision, with goal to giving them greater mobility; pathophysiology in clinical exercise II: review pathophysiology, medical ingtervention techniques, and medication profiles of many common diseases and disabilities such as diabetese, heart attack victims and the obese, helping them develop a preventative exercise regime to prolong their lives and promote healthy living, etc. There are numerous other courses. I would hardly characterize any of the above as "easy" or equivalent to basket weaving in science. On the contrary, these courses are very demanding and probably more demanding than those courses you characterize as "hard". Moreover, these courses and interships give vital knowledge, techniques and skills required of physicians. Those who obtain straight As in this program of study go into medicine and are sought after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citan Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I assure you, in Quebec where in the French speaking med schools they take into account the difficulty, they did not adjudged my program as easy. Well there you have it. Still, the very fact of Dazzle pretending that certain premeds don't deserve to become doctors because of their choice of an easier program is presumptuous to say the least... With all due respect, dazzle, I sincerely hope you never become a doctor. sorry to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Experienced Adcoms based upon objective criteria make the selection of whom to give a seat to medical school. Without question many qualified applicants are turned down every cycle; but having said that, it would be an extremely rare occurrence for someone undeserving to slip under the cracks of so much scrutiny and be selected. Anybody who attains the status of being a straight A student in my undergraduate program has proven intellectual capabilities in a rigorous course of study and is deserving of a seat in medical school. I have followed in the footsteps of others who were accepted unto medical school. Moreover, we all require licensing to practice. I would be dazzled if patients were concerned with the course of study prior to med school of their physicians as a criteria to judge the suitability of one physician over another in treating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I am dealing with many PMs about this specialization program, and about course selection including electives. a1b1 - a current excise science student - is in a much better position to discuss these matters with you. And he has always been happy to respond to enquiries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted February 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Nice to see that a few of you have applied for this program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted June 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Another member taking this program is entering med school in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Another of our members has just decided to take this program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Another member taking this program is entering med school in August. Congrats a1b1!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HealthCareRocks Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Small message here to say that Kinesiology in UdeM (4.2/4.3 gpa) got me accepted in physiotherapy after a disastrous cegep 18 cote R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted July 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Fantastic!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citan Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 So Dazzle made it, eh? That's nice. Maybe he'll stop treating every single member of this board as beneath him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Good to see you around Citan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxparow Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 this is rather convicing. The problem is that my english is kind of bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I am sure my French is worse than your English and I attend a French speaking medical school. There are many Francophones in the program. I had to work very hard always for my high R score. I received interviews at each of UDeM, Laval & Sherby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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