preppy038 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 there are daily limits on billing in most provinces... not when it's private billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureGP Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 not when it's private billings yeah but most of his billings are not private. that said, i dont think ontario has limits.. does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureGP Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 All this talk about money is making me sick. Don't get me wrong, money is important, but FAR from being the most important aspect of choosing a specialty. In my opinion, it's better to be a GP and maybe earn a little bit less than a specialist and love your job than be a specialist billing more money and hating his job! My radiology rotation was the most boring rotation of my clerkship, I wouldn't do it even if it payed 2 million bucks per year. Just my 2 c you're right, and many people know/should know that. but also for many people money still matters because they can enjoy a variety of things about a certain specialty (e.g. flexibility, shorter training in GP) but still want to know they can do as well as others in terms of finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech10 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 No limits in Ontario currently. There were in the past, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 you're right, and many people know/should know that. but also for many people money still matters because they can enjoy a variety of things about a certain specialty (e.g. flexibility, shorter training in GP) but still want to know they can do as well as others in terms of finances. Yeah because the $150K-$200K net income is really gonna put a strain on their finances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Yeah because the $150K-$200K net income is really gonna put a strain on their finances Exactly! One thing is sure, regardless of the specialty chosen, everyone in medicine will live a financially comfortable life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnface Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Yeah because the $150K-$200K net income is really gonna put a strain on their finances Well...just to play devil's advocate.. and without referring to physician income in particular, 150-200K living in downtown vancouver might actually put a strain on your finances. Maybe in Saskatoon or Kitchener, ON, you might be considered well off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmitty Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Well...just to play devil's advocate.. and without referring to physician income in particular, 150-200K living in downtown vancouver might actually put a strain on your finances. Maybe in Saskatoon or Kitchener, ON, you might be considered well off. Uhhh... Be realistic... That amount anywhere makes you well off. That is higher than the median income of the residents of Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlare500 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Uhhh... Be realistic... That amount anywhere makes you well off. That is higher than the median income of the residents of Manhattan. And if it is true then maybe you should just look for a place outside of downtown Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcamute Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think I know an FD that makes more than 200/year (that I am aware of). The average surgeon clears 300 easily and Radiologists, Urologists, Cardiologists and Gastroenterologists (with many more specialities) easily clear 500/year. Perhaps I am missing something but are FD's not one of the lowest paid M.D's in the field? My old Family Doc used to always tell me to get into a Specialty as I would make a boat load more (he had his own practice and a nurse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think I know an FD that makes more than 200/year (that I am aware of). The average surgeon clears 300 easily and Radiologists, Urologists, Cardiologists and Gastroenterologists (with many more specialities) easily clear 500/year. Perhaps I am missing something but are FD's not one of the lowest paid M.D's in the field? My old Family Doc used to always tell me to get into a Specialty as I would make a boat load more (he had his own practice and a nurse). You're right FM is one of the lowest paid field. However, are you in medicine? Because the rest of your post is kind of weird. You make a distinction between ''average surgeons'' and a bunch of random specialties, including a surgical specialty ie urology (they're not part of your average for your surgeons income?), and you're lumping in together lucrative internal subspecialties and radiology. I'm very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcamute Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 You're right FM is one of the lowest paid field. However, are you in medicine? Because the rest of your post is kind of weird. You make a distinction between ''average surgeons'' and a bunch of random specialties, including a surgical specialty ie urology (they're not part of your average for your surgeons income?), and you're lumping in together lucrative internal subspecialties and radiology. I'm very confused. Well there are a multitude of surgeons, I wouldn't say Urologists fit into "the average surgeons category" would you? From what I understand, Urology is one of the most competitive fields in medicine. Do FD's make more than Specialists like Radiologists, Cardiologists and Gastroenterologists? I don't think they do, matter of a fact.. I don't think they are even close. That is all I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech10 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Some do, most don't. Average/median values don't tell the whole story. And if you don't know any family docs that net over $200K yearly, you don't know enough family docs. There are plenty that exceed this threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Well there are a multitude of surgeons, I wouldn't say Urologists fit into "the average surgeons category" would you? From what I understand, Urology is one of the most competitive fields in medicine. Sure, why not? In terms of income and competitiveness they're above average, but not by much though since most surgical fields are competitive and pay well. They're only slightly above average, so I'd put them in the average surgeon category. Lumping in together heterogenous specialties such as cardz, radz and GI is just funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcamute Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Sure, why not? In terms of income and competitiveness they're above average, but not by much though since most surgical fields are competitive and pay well. They're only slightly above average, so I'd put them in the average surgeon category. Interesting, I was told differently. One of my good buddies is a NP in America and she was saying that she knows a couple Urologists that clear 700/year easily, some even 1M$. Lumping in together heterogenous specialties such as cardz, radz and GI is just funny. Can you explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 There are many GP who make more than 200 000 a year, I've heard of GP billing about 400 000 a year. It all depends on your type of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think I know an FD that makes more than 200/year (that I am aware of). The average surgeon clears 300 easily and Radiologists, Urologists, Cardiologists and Gastroenterologists (with many more specialities) easily clear 500/year. Perhaps I am missing something but are FD's not one of the lowest paid M.D's in the field? My old Family Doc used to always tell me to get into a Specialty as I would make a boat load more (he had his own practice and a nurse). How are urologists not average surgeons? And it's funny the way you put urologists and cardiologists together, don't you get it? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 And about urologists billing 700 000 a year in the US, OF COURSE MDs make more money in the US!!! No one ever said that it wasn't the case. I thought we were talking about Canada here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcamute Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 How are urologists not average surgeons? And it's funny the way you put urologists and cardiologists together, don't you get it? lol Hm, I guess I need to get more acquainted with surgical specialties. I always thought Urology was one of the most specialized surgeons you could be. He referenced GI and rads though, which is still confusing. And about urologists billing 700 000 a year in the US, OF COURSE MDs make more money in the US!!! No one ever said that it wasn't the case. I thought we were talking about Canada here. Interesting, upon more research..apparently Urologists in Canada average around 300/year. So they most definitely would be put into the "average surgeon" category. My mistake. The average Diagnostic Radiologist clears anywhere from 4-600/yr before taxes. While non invasive Cardiologists clear around 350-460/yr. Hmm, I was unaware that Radiologists gross so much? Does anybody know of any credible websites that better portray the salaries of different Physicians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Hm, I guess I need to get more acquainted with surgical specialties. I always thought Urology was one of the most specialized surgeons you could be. He referenced GI and rads though, which is still confusing. Interesting, upon more research..apparently Urologists in Canada average around 300/year. So they most definitely would be put into the "average surgeon" category. My mistake. The average Diagnostic Radiologist clears anywhere from 4-600/yr before taxes. While non invasive Cardiologists clear around 350-460/yr. Hmm, I was unaware that Radiologists gross so much? Does anybody know of any credible websites that better portray the salaries of different Physicians? your Canadian numbers are WAY off dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcamute Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Probably are, can you link me to something more credible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Hm, I guess I need to get more acquainted with surgical specialties. I always thought Urology was one of the most specialized surgeons you could be. He referenced GI and rads though, which is still confusing. Urology is one of the most specialized surgical specialties? More specialized than what then? ENT? Neurosx? Ortho? Even general surg is highly specialized, don't be fooled, it's a misnomer. There is no such thing as ''undifferentiated surgeon'' in Canada. Since your main source is an NP from America (USA?), let me tell you a thing or 2 about specialties in Canada. Specialties 101: Medical subspeciaties: usually done after 3 years of internal medicine, cardz, gastro, resp etc Surgical subspecialties: ENT, uro, ortho,neurosx, cardiac sx, even gen surg etc Others: Radz, nuclear, my beloved pathology etc Indeed radz pays a lot. When you're talking about incomes, lifestyle etc you usually compare one group to another or several elements of 1 group with each other. Eg: pulm VS cardz etc. In your post you basically compared radz (others) to a bunch of medical subspecialties (cardz, GI). Usually, surgical specialties pay more, but the lifestyle tends to suck. Medical specialties pay less, but the lifestyle is better, with the exception of cardz and GI (income is excellent, lifestyle isnt as bad as surgery but not great either). In the others category it's very variable but radz pays a heck of a lot. Comparing apples with apples just makes things clearer. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Well there are a multitude of surgeons, I wouldn't say Urologists fit into "the average surgeons category" would you? From what I understand, Urology is one of the most competitive fields in medicine. Do FD's make more than Specialists like Radiologists, Cardiologists and Gastroenterologists? I don't think they do, matter of a fact.. I don't think they are even close. That is all I was saying. Yea but if you're making 450k as a card/gastro while working 70 hours a week vs. low 350k as a family doctor working 45 hours a week.. mathematically, who makes more by the hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Where is the notion that gastroenterologists routinely work 70 hours per week coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flasses Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 I have a family friend who is a community GI attending, and he works 7:30am-6pm on weekdays with a 15 minute lunch break. Then does charting and reports and research until bedtime. And he also does weekend call once a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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