mononoke Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The admission statistics for last application cycle has been posted - thoughts? http://www.md.utoronto.ca/admissions/statistics.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bruhh Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 3.94 lol That's all I have to say. So much for a "holistic" review of applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathToMed Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm curious whether or not this includes wGPA data, or is simply the applicants' raw GPA. Anyone happen to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thsc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm curious whether or not this includes wGPA data, or is simply the applicants' raw GPA. Anyone happen to know? It's wGPA. From 2007-2011 it was great lol...then people went crazy on red bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'd be lying if I said I wasn't expecting the GPA to increase but actually seeing it published... Ugh. Also, how much leeway is given to post grads in terms of GPA? Is it safe to assume the real undergraduate average is more like 3.96? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruhh Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 fill in the blanks 2011 3.88 2012 3.90 2013 3.92 2014 3.94 2015 ____ 3.96? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Perfectionists of 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchEnemy Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I am impressed by the number of McMaster students who have gained admission, considering most of those 69 are undergrads. The 55 from U of T consist of both undergrads and grads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savac Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Perfectionists of 2017. Things get really interesting starting in 2018 if we follow that trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmira Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I am impressed by the number of McMaster students who have gained admission, considering most of those 69 are undergrads. The 55 from U of T consist of both undergrads and grads. How do you know most are undergrads -- or is it a speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thsc Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 How do you know most are undergrads -- or is it a speculation? I can actually vouch for what ArchEnemy said. Also, around 40 or so of those 69 are from health sci. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervousnellie Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 And 6 of those are from the arts and science program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmira Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hmmm. Even though stats are important I still think they make an effort to evaluate holistically. It's just that the wgpa is soooo forgiving (imo). Think about it, you can take away ANY six courses throughout your entire undergrad. With the 2-year wgpa formula, you take away an entire year, but what if only a few courses were weighing you down on that year?? Not that I don't think U of T students have great gpa's, I mean it makes sense based on how academically rigorous the program is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hmmm. Even though stats are important I still think they make an effort to evaluate holistically. It's just that the wgpa is soooo forgiving (imo). Think about it, you can take away ANY six courses throughout your entire undergrad. With the 2-year wgpa formula, you take away an entire year, but what if only a few courses were weighing you down on that year?? Not that I don't think U of T students have great gpa's, I mean it makes sense based on how academically rigorous the program is Sorry, I'm not familiar with the weighted GPA you're referring to. I'm assuming by 6 courses you mean 3 full year courses? But could you clarify what you mean by the 2-year wgpa formula? Tbh I've maintained a 3.9ish GPA throughout my 3 years and the weighted UofT GPA (removing lowest 3 courses) only gives me a SLIGHT advantage over my cumulative lol... doesn't work out the greatest for me but that might just be cause my institution falls in one of the awkward columns on the OMSAS chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qszwdxefc Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 3.94 lol That's all I have to say. So much for a "holistic" review of applicants. Still holistic. I didn't get an interview last year with a 4.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmira Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sorry, I'm not familiar with the weighted GPA you're referring to. I'm assuming by 6 courses you mean 3 full year courses? But could you clarify what you mean by the 2-year wgpa formula? Tbh I've maintained a 3.9ish GPA throughout my 3 years and the weighted UofT GPA (removing lowest 3 courses) only gives me a SLIGHT advantage over my cumulative lol... doesn't work out the greatest for me but that might just be cause my institution falls in one of the awkward columns on the OMSAS chart Oh yeah by 2-year wgpa I just mean the formula that western and queen's uses. I'm just comparing the different ways ontario med schools weigh grades; mac takes every course so you'd expect the gpa of their accepted class to be relatively low (and indeed i think it was 3.83). western and queen's i'm not sure but i'll assume it was somewhat higher due to the 2-year wgpa formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruhh Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hmmm. Even though stats are important I still think they make an effort to evaluate holistically. It's just that the wgpa is soooo forgiving (imo). Think about it, you can take away ANY six courses throughout your entire undergrad. With the 2-year wgpa formula, you take away an entire year, but what if only a few courses were weighing you down on that year?? Not that I don't think U of T students have great gpa's, I mean it makes sense based on how academically rigorous the program is What part of it is "soooo" forgiving? I have no idea what you're basing this off but essentially you're only eligible for the weighing formula if you took 5 full year coirses every year of your undergrad. Even if you had one year less than 28 credits you would not be considered for the weighing formula. Secondly, they will not be dropping your worst year unlike many other med schools. They only drop 3 full year credits. Western, Queens, Ottawa, Alberta, UBC, Dalhousie, Manitoba Saskatchewan ALL have far more forgiving GPA calculations when compared to UofT's. If anything UofT's wGPA is only more forgiving than McMaster and McGill's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmira Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 What part of it is "soooo" forgiving? I have no idea what you're basing this off but essentially you're only eligible for the weighing formula if you took 5 full year coirses every year of your undergrad. Even if you had one year less than 28 credits you would not be considered for the weighing formula. Secondly, they will not be dropping your worst year unlike many other med schools. They only drop 3 full year credits. Western, Queens, Ottawa, Alberta, UBC, Dalhousie, Manitoba Saskatchewan ALL have far more forgiving GPA calculations when compared to UofT's. If anything UofT's wGPA is only more forgiving than McMaster and McGill's. (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qszwdxefc Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 What part of it is "soooo" forgiving? I have no idea what you're basing this off but essentially you're only eligible for the weighing formula if you took 5 full year coirses every year of your undergrad. Even if you had one year less than 28 credits you would not be considered for the weighing formula. Secondly, they will not be dropping your worst year unlike many other med schools. They only drop 3 full year credits. Western, Queens, Ottawa, Alberta, UBC, Dalhousie, Manitoba Saskatchewan ALL have far more forgiving GPA calculations when compared to UofT's. If anything UofT's wGPA is only more forgiving than McMaster and McGill's. It's hard to rank what's more forgiving as each school's scheme favours certain sets of marks. For me, UofT is by far the most forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Another aspect about UofT I think is EXTREMELY important to mention is the fact that because their averages are published online, those with lower GPAs don't even bother applying. I know of many people who have 3.8+ GPAs who said they didn't apply because they didn't believe they had any chance based on the admissions average AND because they felt it would be a waste of time to write 7 mini essays. This leaves applicants with higher GPAs who are willing to put in the time for the essays because they believe they have a real chance based off last year's admitted average.This definitely decreases the number of applicants and can be compared to how Queen's receives significantly more applications while keeping their entering class' cumulative GPA between 3.7-3.8 (harder stat to find not posted on the admissions website) because those with lower GPAs still apply. Admission stats are great but I think it seriously drives up the competition in regards to numerical components (also look at Western who publishes MCAT cutoffs. People with lower MCATs just don't even bother applying, driving the cutoffs higher each year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesmedyes Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Good point! Also, we should not forget the difference between cutoffs and averages. It would be good for schools to post pre set cutoffs (queens has them, but doesn't post them) so that students don't waste time and money applying when their file will not be looked at, which is what I don't like about queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savac Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I know of many people who have 3.8+ GPAs who said they didn't apply because they didn't believe they had any chance based on the admissions average AND because they felt it would be a waste of time to write 7 mini essays. Well, that's their loss... This definitely decreases the number of applicants and can be compared to how Queen's receives significantly more applications while keeping their enter class' cumulative GPA between 3.7-3.8 (harder stat to find not posted on the admissions website) because those with lower GPAs still apply. Admission stats are great but I think it seriously drives up the competition in regards to numerical components (also look at Western who publishes MCAT cutoffs. People with lower MCATs just don't even bother applying, driving the cutoffs higher each year) For our year, the cGPA average was 3.76 Source: http://meds.queensu.ca/blog/undergraduate/?p=1536 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriveP Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I am impressed by the number of McMaster students who have gained admission, considering most of those 69 are undergrads. The 55 from U of T consist of both undergrads and grads. McMaster health sci. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriveP Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well, that's their loss... For our year, the cGPA average was 3.76 Source: http://meds.queensu.ca/blog/undergraduate/?p=1536 Wow thats low. But I guess since they look at last 2 years, the actual GPA going into the system is much higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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