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So as I go about chosing my residency one area that I am very interested in is endocrinology. However, there isn't a lot of info on the details like lifestyle, salary,etc etc.

 

Plus, I have seen it referred to as a lifestyle specialty where not a lot of doctors work full schedules by choice. Wouldn't this throw off the statistics for salary?

 

Can anyone comment on lifestyle and salary for endocrinology?

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So somewhere around 300?

 

Probably a bit lower than that on average, with a broad range. Outpatient care with no procedures doesn't tend to pay well in our system, regardless of specialty, and that's a lot of Endo's work. At my centre, some Endocrinologists cover General Internal inpatients, and that does make decent money, adding to the average take-home for them, but I'm not sure how common an arrangement that is.

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During my elective in endocrinology, some staff physicians cover general internal medicine floors once every month (including CTUs). In academic hospitals, a lot of internal sub specialists cover general internal medicine floors sometimes due to lack of general internists or for personal interest.

Most of the endo make less than 300 K. Unless you take 10 new consults everyday in your outpatient clinic, but that's not common practice.

Endo is mostly an outpatient practice. If you choose to work in an academic hospital, you cover inpatient consults less than once every 3 months (depends how large your academic centre is).

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I took the time to look up endocrinologist salaries in BC and, by process of elimination, some salaried in NL. The majority range from high 200s to low 400s. So not much different than the reported average salary off all internal specialties

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On 9/26/2016 at 10:02 PM, Rorzo said:

For 2014/15 median in Ontario was 247k, average just over 300, meaning that there are some individuals making a fair bit of money

Mind sharing source? Would like to see data for other specialties. 

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I'd be interested in seeing any sources also.

I've heard endo makes 300k, but I want to know how that compares to geriatrics, rheumatology, allergy/immunology, and family medicine.

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20 hours ago, Rorzo said:

OMA has billing data available on their site for all specialties if you're a member. 

Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k)

If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! 

Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! 

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23 minutes ago, brady23 said:

Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k)

If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! 

Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! 

Could you please post the data?

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1 hour ago, brady23 said:

Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k)

If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! 

Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! 

Emerg generally does not have any overhead though , and if i'm reading the same PDF as you this is fee for service (which many ED docs are not)

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41 minutes ago, Dermviser said:

Could someone please share the PDF? We already have so much limited data pertaining to compensation/billing, why can't the PDF be shared?

As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private.

 

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12 minutes ago, Rorzo said:

As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private.

  

Fully agree, that's why medical students should have access to these numbers. I am unfortunately not a member of the OMA so do not have access to this information.

13 minutes ago, Rorzo said:

As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private.

  

Fair, I understand the counter argument. However, would it be possible for you or anyone on the forum to PM me the link and/or PDF file? Thanks!

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