liammo29 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 So as I go about chosing my residency one area that I am very interested in is endocrinology. However, there isn't a lot of info on the details like lifestyle, salary,etc etc. Plus, I have seen it referred to as a lifestyle specialty where not a lot of doctors work full schedules by choice. Wouldn't this throw off the statistics for salary? Can anyone comment on lifestyle and salary for endocrinology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleDaisy Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 BUMP! Anyone has more information? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F508 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Ive heard endocrinologists make around/less than med fam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liammo29 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I'm pretty sure that isn't true based on some salaries I have seen, but really not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liammo29 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 For the provinces that report doctor salaries I have found endos ranging from 200-500k but would like to find better average numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liammo29 Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Does anyone else have any info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 396k according to the CMA. https://www.cma.ca/En/Pages/specialty-profiles.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero147 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 396k according to the CMA. https://www.cma.ca/En/Pages/specialty-profiles.aspx With the added caveat that that's the average for all internal medicine subspecialties and not just endocrinology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liammo29 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 So somewhere around 300? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralk Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 So somewhere around 300? Probably a bit lower than that on average, with a broad range. Outpatient care with no procedures doesn't tend to pay well in our system, regardless of specialty, and that's a lot of Endo's work. At my centre, some Endocrinologists cover General Internal inpatients, and that does make decent money, adding to the average take-home for them, but I'm not sure how common an arrangement that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorzo Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 For 2014/15 median in Ontario was 247k, average just over 300, meaning that there are some individuals making a fair bit of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleDaisy Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 During my elective in endocrinology, some staff physicians cover general internal medicine floors once every month (including CTUs). In academic hospitals, a lot of internal sub specialists cover general internal medicine floors sometimes due to lack of general internists or for personal interest. Most of the endo make less than 300 K. Unless you take 10 new consults everyday in your outpatient clinic, but that's not common practice. Endo is mostly an outpatient practice. If you choose to work in an academic hospital, you cover inpatient consults less than once every 3 months (depends how large your academic centre is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liammo29 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I took the time to look up endocrinologist salaries in BC and, by process of elimination, some salaried in NL. The majority range from high 200s to low 400s. So not much different than the reported average salary off all internal specialties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d123123 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 On 9/26/2016 at 10:02 PM, Rorzo said: For 2014/15 median in Ontario was 247k, average just over 300, meaning that there are some individuals making a fair bit of money Mind sharing source? Would like to see data for other specialties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady23 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 I'd be interested in seeing any sources also. I've heard endo makes 300k, but I want to know how that compares to geriatrics, rheumatology, allergy/immunology, and family medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorzo Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 OMA has billing data available on their site for all specialties if you're a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermviser Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Rorzo said: OMA has billing data available on their site for all specialties if you're a member. Do you have PDF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady23 Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 20 hours ago, Rorzo said: OMA has billing data available on their site for all specialties if you're a member. Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k) If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermviser Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, brady23 said: Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k) If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! Could you please post the data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a7x Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, brady23 said: Wow, did not know about this, thanks! It was actually really eye-opening seeing how much each specialty makes typically (ex: Emergency makes about a median of $250k in billings for those who made >$100k, which I thought would be wayyy more - and surprised how high endocrine and rheumatology were! (both were over 310-335k) If only there was something with an accurate overhead estimate for the different specialties too! Not sure if I'd be allowed to post the data - but I encourage everyone to take a look at it if they're interested! Emerg generally does not have any overhead though , and if i'm reading the same PDF as you this is fee for service (which many ED docs are not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermviser Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Could someone please share the PDF? We already have so much limited data pertaining to compensation/billing, why can't the PDF be shared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorzo Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 41 minutes ago, Dermviser said: Could someone please share the PDF? We already have so much limited data pertaining to compensation/billing, why can't the PDF be shared? As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermviser Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Rorzo said: As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private. Fully agree, that's why medical students should have access to these numbers. I am unfortunately not a member of the OMA so do not have access to this information. 13 minutes ago, Rorzo said: As it stands you can read many articles in the media outlining the arguments about whether or not to make such information available to the public. The raw data can be misleading with physicians receiving no benefits, some people paying 30% overhead, others billing an additional 30% privately, and countless other things. Every medical student who's a member of the OMA already has access and I think that's a fantastic idea - it can make a huge impact on their career decisions and there's tons of people surrounding them to put the numbers in to context. However, I do question how good of an idea it is to post that data on a completely public forum when the OMA has recently gone to court to keep it private. Fair, I understand the counter argument. However, would it be possible for you or anyone on the forum to PM me the link and/or PDF file? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Well, the privacy question concerns individual billings, not averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Luffy Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 If someone is an OMA member, where do they access this PDF? I can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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