mdapp Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 Hello, I am ontario resident who has been waitlisted twice at an ON med school (and rejected by BC post interview) after two applications. I am thinking about studying medicine at Australia because I don't think it's likely that I'll be able to secure a spot this year or the following year. I was hoping someone can fill me in on my options after I graduate with an MD from Australia. Thanks! This is what I've gathered so far 1) Residency in US with high USMLE scores, great CV (research and what not), and perhaps clinical rotation in U.S, it's quite doable (even for non-US citizen IMGs). Is that right? I personally know a few friends studying in Ireland and Carib, who were all able to match in the US. Would attending Aus school be at least as viable as those when in comes to US matching? 2) Internship/residency in Aus there is an internship crisis in Australia but that depends on the school you study at (and thus the state you are in). If I work hard and choose my school right, I would still be able to find an internship position. there is also another program available (I think it's called Commonwealth Medical Internship) that significant helps Canadian's chances of matching (although these could be at rural areas) 3) Residency in Canada generally not doable 4) Residency in other parts of the world (Singapore, UK...etc) I didn't really look into this yet but I've heard that it's not difficult (at least not when compared with matching back to Canada). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 It is doable to match both to the US and Canada. It isn't really doable to match to the UK unless you are a citizen of the UK. Not sure about Singapore, but I doubt it will be easy, a citystate like Singapore could not accept many graduates before it got saturated. I think though, if you are scoring interviews, what you need to do is work on your interview skills. You don't save that much time by going to Australia, since there is a legitimate chance you end up needing to take a year off to match to residency. Additionally, you are limited in the specialties you can be interested in coming from Australia. It really isn't the best option unless you absolutely have no shot at Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted May 14, 2018 Report Share Posted May 14, 2018 Why not just go to a US school in the first place? envisioning and dumbebell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slashsev Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 The US is the only hub that can accept decent number of residents, without residency training your degree is useless, going to non US connected schools is a deadend, and a stronger headache USMD> USDO> international period...If you cannot get USDO, internation should last resort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenpidity Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 I believe that Singapore is no longer accepting international medical students because they opened up some new medical school(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm09hb Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 My husband (from Ontario) graduated from an Australian medical school in New South Wales in 2017 and is finishing his second year of internship. (Didn't match back to Canada for FM this year - didn't try for US). Because he is a temporary resident in Australia, to apply into the general practitioner (FM) training program, he can only apply to rural Northern Territory with a letter of support and a statutory declaration stating he will have his permanent residence by the time he completes his GP training. That being said, I'm not sure the process for other training programs here if it's the same or not. This whole experience has been a whole big expensive mess and if I could go back in time, I would tell him not to study in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 18 hours ago, jm09hb said: My husband (from Ontario) graduated from an Australian medical school in New South Wales in 2017 and is finishing his second year of internship. (Didn't match back to Canada for FM this year - didn't try for US). Because he is a temporary resident in Australia, to apply into the general practitioner (FM) training program, he can only apply to rural Northern Territory with a letter of support and a statutory declaration stating he will have his permanent residence by the time he completes his GP training. That being said, I'm not sure the process for other training programs here if it's the same or not. This whole experience has been a whole big expensive mess and if I could go back in time, I would tell him not to study in Australia. Well his mistake was not writing the US exams and applying to the US. That's really his own fault. Can't change the past of course. Hope it works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm09hb Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, JohnGrisham said: Well his mistake was not writing the US exams and applying to the US. That's really his own fault. Can't change the past of course. Hope it works out Yes, already well aware of that. Just simply giving the OP his experience/options after graduating from Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrenergic24 Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 Have a look here at the recently released CaRMS preliminary data for 2019. The numbers for current-year graduates (which, I believe, are mostly represented by Canadians studying abroad (CSAs)) are about 50% match rate back to Canada. For Australian graduates (which includes CSAs and Australian immigrants), the overall match rate is pretty high compared to other cohorts. So overall, coming back to Canada is pretty doable if you focus and do well in school, on exams, on elective rotations in Canada, etc. Having said that, I completely agree with most of those who have posted here already: Look into doing medicine in the US. Going abroad to study leaves your likelihood of returning to Canada up to the flip of a coin. Even in the US where it is anecdotally easier to match, non-US IMGs typically see a 45-55% match rate every year. It gets even more complicated if you happen to love a really competitive specialty, and you may be put in the position where you will have to give that up and choose another in order to return home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 hours ago, adrenergic24 said: Have a look here at the recently released CaRMS preliminary data for 2019. The numbers for current-year graduates (which, I believe, are mostly represented by Canadians studying abroad (CSAs)) are about 50% match rate back to Canada. For Australian graduates (which includes CSAs and Australian immigrants), the overall match rate is pretty high compared to other cohorts. So overall, coming back to Canada is pretty doable if you focus and do well in school, on exams, on elective rotations in Canada, etc. Having said that, I completely agree with most of those who have posted here already: Look into doing medicine in the US. Going abroad to study leaves your likelihood of returning to Canada up to the flip of a coin. Even in the US where it is anecdotally easier to match, non-US IMGs typically see a 45-55% match rate every year. It gets even more complicated if you happen to love a really competitive specialty, and you may be put in the position where you will have to give that up and choose another in order to return home. Dont forget to factor in self-selection bias, many who won't have favourable odds end up not even applying to CaRMS and focus on the US or staying in Aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzora Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 For what it is worth... I am Canadian (Alberta) and went to medical school in Australia at Bond University (QLD.) I decided to consider Australia after not getting interviews in Canada two years in a row, despite what I thought was a great and well-rounded application. I knew chances for an internship following graduation would be limited so I applied in Tasmania, where there is still no internship crisis. (Tasmania still boasts 100% success rate for its graduates finding internships.) I completed my Family Med/GP Training in Tasmania, and fairly effortlessly got Permanent Residency and then Citizenship. I now actually work for the University of Tasmania School of Medicine, redesigning the program for Int'l students, in an effort to make repatriation to Canada smoother. Since completing my Family Med/GP Training, I have completed/earned my Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada. Yes it was a lot of hoops to jump through, but not at all impossible. I get to live in a spectacularly beautiful state, in a wonderful country, in a job I love. I would do it all again in a heartbeat, I just wish I had some guidance at the time, because it can be a tricky path to navigate for the first time. While the logistics of attending medical school in Australia are more challenging than attending in one's home country, it remains a very doable pathway to achieving a career in medicine. MDtobe55 and Edict 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzora Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 On 4/16/2019 at 7:46 PM, jm09hb said: My husband (from Ontario) graduated from an Australian medical school in New South Wales in 2017 and is finishing his second year of internship. (Didn't match back to Canada for FM this year - didn't try for US). Because he is a temporary resident in Australia, to apply into the general practitioner (FM) training program, he can only apply to rural Northern Territory with a letter of support and a statutory declaration stating he will have his permanent residence by the time he completes his GP training. That being said, I'm not sure the process for other training programs here if it's the same or not. This whole experience has been a whole big expensive mess and if I could go back in time, I would tell him not to study in Australia. Are you sure your husband is limited to applying to NT? I was not a PR when I applied to GP Training in Tasmania in 2016 and successfully finished my training without any problems. (As luck would have it I was granted PR about a week before I started GP Training, so I am not sure if it would have continued to be an issue.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klk898898 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 @bzora can you email me? currently attempting to navigate my future as a successful Australian applicant. klk898@usask.ca Would love to chat in further detail! cheers! klk898@usask.ca - a hopefully IMG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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