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  1. Hey what is the wording for the wait list? Does each tier get the:

    "Although you were not ranked to receive an offer at this time, it was recommended that your name be placed on our Wait List. Any offer that is not accepted will be filled by an individual from the Wait List."; and its what"s after that sentence that determines the tier?

    I am guessing the "in recent years, applicants in your position on the wait list have received an offer of admission." is the high tier? 'Cause if so I went for the low last year to the high this year.

  2. Has anyone heard from OP? I messaged them but they never replied. Hope everything is okay.



    Yea I am here.


    I am trying to figure out what to do.


    When it came to my mom, she apologized about how she said what she said, but still concluded that she was holding out for a Canadian chance and is majorly dissapointed.


    Right now I am sort of at a loss of what to do. I made a post in the American section here about my situation as it stands.


    I have a deferred acceptance to a USDO school in Indiana (I deferred from last year to this year). I am unsure on what to proceed with.


    My parents are fine with me re-applying, but are highly doubtful of anything coming to fruition.


    Someone else here suggested clinical psychology, as my interests in medical school chiefly center around psychiatry. I have never really thought about it, but I spent the last day and today looking more into it and seeing it as a great option. Still, I need to know more and contacted a clinical psychologist in my city, as well as a counselor I know. However, I didn't do much Psych in my undergrad. Two courses + an educational psychology based thesis. I know UWaterloo offers a make-up psychology program for people like me, to take psych courses, but not as a degree program. I was told I may only need 9 to 11 out of the total 16 credits due to my previous psych, thesis, and research methods courses from my biology degree. As well, I am mainly interested in practicing (particularly with youth and addictions). I understand there are three Psy.D programs in Canada, but the majority are PhD.... So confusing. Furthermore, I am not to sure about the job security and outlook with this profession, mainly because I hope to work with a mental health facility, rather than private practice...


    For me, the worry lies in the expenses. Attending a US school, MD or DO, requires a lot of upfront cash. My parents are supportive, saying they will help.... But it is so much money that it worries me (what if the dollar fell even more? what if something happens to them?). On the other hand, however, it is a guaranteed path to Psychiatry. A number of Canadians are currently enrolled, close to graduating, etc. Of course, this path may mean a goodbye from Canada for good.


    Unfortunately, as we all know, Canadian medicine is never a for sure thing.


    In either case, I am re-applying, and members here have offered help for me in this (which I appreciate and thank greatly). I am just lost on what path to take, what is best...




  3. Hello everyone.

    I was wondering if I could get some advice.

    Back in the 2015/2016 cycle, I applied with a 31 MCAT to USMD and USDO schools, though admittedly I applied late to MD. I was accepted, ultimately, to MU-COM in Indiana.

    However, I was not able to secure LoC funding (TD and CIBC denied us on the count of my mother not having recent paystubs, she has been on medical leave from her job as a nurse. Currently still is, as well).

    I was fortunate to get a deferral to this year.

    During that application cycle, as well, I re-took my MCAT and scored 515 (130 CARS). I again applied to USMD schools, though too few and late to receive anything. I did apply to CanMD schools, and received one interview at UWO, from which I as rejected (this past Tuesday).

    I am now at a state of loss on what I should do. Going to medical school in the US is extremely costly, and the financial burden that I would be placing on my family concerns me greatly (what if the loonie fell even more?). On the other hand, it is a guaranteed path to becoming a physician.


    I am not sure what to do, really. Go USDO, and re-apply as I do first year? Go for another career?

    If anyone here can PM me, I would appreciate someone to discuss this with.

    Thank you


  4. Hey everyone.


    Thanks for the replies. They mean a lot.


    It sucks this has happened to me. it's my second time applying, I applied last cycle with a 31mcat. I actually got I USDO acceptance, but was denied loans from TD and cibc, so I deferred. I still don't think i could afford it, or put that stress on my family (you have front your own money too as the loan wont cover it completely) it sucks that I had a chance, but no money. And now I failed at a chance here.


    I work two jobs. This retail job and a job with a youth group home. I want to try to replace my retail with another residental home Job.


    When I told my mom how hard it is to get a job, to get into medical school, she said "everything is hard for you, isn't it"


    Sigh, I don't really know what to do. It's only been a day, but still. I want to sleep in my car to tonight. I really do not want to go home after work.



  5. Hey everyone.

    So the results came out today. I only interviewed at western, I got rejected from mac and queens.

    I also got rejected from western.

    It sucked. I was so sad this morning, and I went to work depressed and out of it. I felt like a failure and disappointment to not only myself, but my family.

    But hey I succeeded at something.

    Disappointing my family.

    I called home during break at work to talk to my mom... I called only to hear me get blasted on being a failure. On being a disappointment. On wasting time. On not caring about my future.

    "There is something wrong with you"

    That hurt.

    There is something wrong with me, because it took me three times to get a score to land me an interview in Canada. There is something wrong with me, because I only got one. There is something wrong with me because I got rejected everywhere.

    Apparantly I dont care about my future what so ever. I have a degree in biology at work part time minimum wage at a retail store that a high schooler can work at. I don't care about my future because if I did I would have gotten in. Look at all those kids who got in on their first try.

    I am not one of them.

    And I tried to tell her about the whole 3x application cycle, but she wasn't having any of it. I'm just a waste of a son. Their only kid, a waste.

    I get it. I have a 3.5 gpa. I screwed up my undergrad. I get it. I did my mcat 3 times, where everyone else they imagine did it once.

    I get it. I am a failure. I am a disappointment. 

    She told me to go doing nursing or pharmacy or who cares because I am to stupid to be a doctor, and there is no point in re-applying because its a waste of money (because if I cared, i wouldve gotten in). Just like how I wasted my time in undergrad, and now wasted two years out of undergrad. 

    It's all my fault. I know it is.

    I broke down during end of day infront of my manager. She asked if something as wrong, I guess she could tell. I cried. I told her what happened. She was empathetic.

    I sat in my car crying. I kind of wanted to end it there.

    I just don't know what to do anymore. I am a failure, and I have no one to blame but myself.

    And I don't even know why I posted this. This wont help, really, in the end. Truthfully. 

    I can't talk to the person I thought I could. So I am here. Expressing myself to strangers on the internet.


  6. I think a lot of us are feeling that way too (at least i am). What kills me the most when thinking about not getting accepted this year is breaking that news to family and friends.... oh wellz no use thinking about it too hard now i guess

    I feel you...


    I graduated 2 years ago and out extended family has already hit my family with "oh is he not in school yet? (This was after the 2015 cycle) Oh I thought he'd be in by now. Why isn't he in? I thought he wanted to go to medical school..."


    Pretty shitty. Also I don't think I can afford the American school I deferred at (because of finances...). So... Double whammy lol


    Must stay hopeful!

  7. I have been self doubting and second guessing myself all day today.

    I was at work. It does not help that my job, a retail one, is very repetitive in what one does (or at least in what I had to do today) - so my mind was fixed on running through yesterday.

    Could have said that better, should have included this, wow did I articulate that well enough? Seriously, 8 straight hours of me criticizing myself.

    I really shouldn't. I know I shouldn't. Heh, when I was talking to a MS-1 that day after interviews (for any MS-1 that reads this, you guys are truly welcoming and warm, and I really appreciate that), he told me I am probably going to be a much harsher critic of myself than any of my interviewers are...

    It's hard not to, though. UWO is my dream school, and is the only school I was granted an interview at. Second time trying. Had to give up a US acceptance last cycle due to money. It's hard not to over analyze every little detail.

    At the end, it will be a long month. I hope I get an offer, or a good WL position. 

    I love the school, and I love the students and faculty this school brings.

    Really, I hope I can be a part of that.

    On a positive, I really took time at the end of my interview to get to know each of my interviewers. Or, well, I tried. So hopefully that looks good.

  8. Agree with above.

    It's 100% normal to feel this way, but you earned yourself an interview, so you do deserve it as much as anyone else.

    Also, know the following: most people really aren't that exceptional.

    Everyone is just as nervous about exams and failing during preclerkship. Most people can't accept that they are around the average in terms of grades. People keep procrastinating (for example, last week I was with a senior resident about to write his royal college in a few months, but he spent the weekend playing video games instead of studying). Most feel like they don't know anything during rotations, and they are insecure when others seem to do more or know more etc... This sensation of inadequacy kind of carries on in a sense for many, if not the vast majority of students.

    I'm telling you, this is kind of irrational and you do indeed need to stop thinking that way. It is doing you no favours. There is no point comparing yourself. Besides, being good on paper doesn't mean all that much. I've seen people who seemed great on paper, but didn't manage to get in because they were deemed too unfit for medicine by interviewers (such as complete lack of basic qualities such as complete lack of judgment, absolutely not open minded, arrogant etc....). 

    In summary, for now: you earned your interview. Now go ace it.

    There really is no point in comparing myself to others, you are right about this. Everyone has had their own path to how to get to where they are today, and I need to focus on -my- path, not someone else's. 


    I think because, so man years ago (what like 2 or 3) in university I thought I would NEVER be able to even have a CHANCE at Canada (low gpa + low mcat, and yea this whole EC worry), and now in my second gap year I do (low gpa but high mcat!), I think I was hit with a mash of anxiety from those days. I just need to put those thoughts to rest.


  9. Yeah dude, this forum (and social media in general) provide a very skewed view of reality that often leaves out many of the less than desirable aspects of people's lives.


    Nothing much to do other than realize that and get over it. Really you should get off of this site, it's a cesspool of pre-med (and med) anxiety as well as general neuroticism.


    What you have described and are experiencing is totally normal however, and is often part of the interview trail when it comes to med school applications.


    It's totally ok to feel less than confident and to feel like you're a POS. The reality is you're stressed out, perhaps unsure of how to best prepare, may be neglecting your personal self-care strategies and are very excited but also nervous about an opportunity that you have been extended.


    The key is to allow those thoughts/feelings and take constructive action towards your goals, regardless. Over time, you'll then find that these things don't bother you and things tend to go rather smoothly with minimal effort. It's also worthwhile to remind yourself that you were extended this interview opportunity based on merit.


    By the way, I have zero competitive sports experience, zero research, never did NSERC, no honours thesis, never TA'd, was never a president of a single club and was able to choose which med school to attend--ultimately going with my top choice.


    Succeeding in the med school admissions process is nowhere near as insurmountable as some may lead you to believe.


    Take care of yourself, prepare wisely and continue to put your best foot forward. That's it.

    Indeed, I think it is a general anxiety I am feeling because of this opportunity! And you're right, you don't need these things to make a good impression. -sigh- Take deep breath, me, everything will work out if you put in the effort!


    I definitely agree with that last point, often here, SDN, and **DELETED** it seems like to get into medical school you needed to start on this path super early, like you needed to win 5 different awards in elementary school for science early LOL



  10. ok I say this every single year because I think it is important. Western, and every other medical school for that matter, is only going to interview people that they think will realistically do well in their program.  If you get an interview at a school it is because you have earned that position - we talk a lot about the randomness of the process - that is true but it randomness only in the sense that great candidates do not get an interview sometimes, not that bad candidates do. They simple do not have the time/resources to waste interviewing people that won't be good for them.


    The worse thing you can do is to psych yourself out to thinking you are not supposed to be there, that is some form of a mistake, and you are inadequate. Then you get all nervous and freaked out and then BAM - you become a worse applicant and don't get in. Only thing is you are doing it to yourself. The school isn't. 


    So stop that. Stop it right now. Stop it because it is nonsense, and stop it because it will mess with your chances. 


    You think the average medical student has 100 publications, top tier athlete, blah, blah.....no they have not.  Obviously if you are amazing you are more open about saying you are amazing - that is a selection bias. It is not just here on the forum but everywhere else in life as well ha, and in all things. Maybe 10-20% of a class has this glow in the dark sort of applicants - the rest are hard working, smart people - which is what it takes to be a great doctor.  


    more specifically for Western - if they really wanted to evaluate your ECs then they would do it in the pre-selection process. They don't. That TELLS you something - I sometimes think universities really have missed the point spending all day teaching the what and how, but never the why? (a bit of rant I know but the more educated I get the more frustrated I am with that. When they say knowledge is power, it is knowing the "why" that is that power's source. Why does a school select applicants in a particular way, and can you figure that out from how they select people?)  Ask yourself - why does Western only consider GPA and MCAT for interview, and then why is the MCAT the real barrier? Again they don't directly evaluate ECs - why? What is the basis for Western's interview questions etc - and why for that as well? I mean overall we as a profession are incredibly transparent in what we are looking for - more transparent than any other profession by far I believe telling you exactly the criteria. In general medical school questions are not "did you climb a mountain?" but closer to "if you decided that the mountain must be climbed, how would you do it?"


    bottom line - yes, you need to calm down :) Deep breaths because fear really is the mind killer. Time to focus. You have an interview - you are in the top 10% of the people that applied give or take. That is no accident, now go make it count. 

    rmorelan, can you be my Uncle that I call for life advice? C'mon, you can tell me your life stories over tacos.


    But seriously you are right. I cannot psyche myself out (something I learned from the MCAT). At the end of the day it is HOW you present yourself, not how many things you use TO present yourself, yea?

  11. Hey ya'll

    So I am super stoked this year to get an interview at UWO. Second time applying, first time I had a subpar MCAT, no dice...

    However, with the interview date looming, I am getting nervous and stressed yet again for something I have never really experienced.

    It does not help that I also applied to Queens, but was rejected. I understand that Queens is a blackbox, but they do look over your ABS beforehand. I feel like I am just this super average, not extraordinary applicant. 

    Looking around this forum and I see this ECs and character descriptions of people, and they are amazing. Like, competitive sports, research awards and grants, NSERC up the whazoo, president of 50+ clubs (ok that is exaggerating on my part...).  I remember a month ago or so on CBC there was an interview with this Olympic athlete that won gold, and is now going to med school. 

    And I am sitting over here with working retail after grad because a BSc in Bio only won't get you much. Like, damn man.

    I don't know. I am just feeling.... Inadequate when I read so many character posts here. I have EC's... But like, I don't have much, if any research (does your Honour's thesis even count as research?). I don't have a competitive sport. I haven't TA'd before. I haven't climbed Mt. Everest (I think SDN is leaking into my brain).

    I need to calm down. 

  12. I have no idea about the difference between the EK 101 VR vs CAR book, as they did not have a CARS book when I was studying.

    So, knowing that...

    I used 
    -EK 101 VR
    -Princeton's Hyperlearning VR book
    -NextStep's CARs practice passage book (I didn't use ALL of it. I found their passages to be hit and miss, but they are overall good).

    Its... Uh.... Is it 9 passages? You have 10 minutes per passage.

    I was able to jump from a previous 8/9 VR to 130 CARS.

  13. I didn't reallly want to post, but I guess it could help someone later on idk.

    Result: Rejected, again :(


    Time Stamp: 515PM 


    wGPA: 3.86 (cGPA of 3.5)


    Year: Graduated in 2015


    MCAT: Took it three times 26 (8VR) -> 31 (9VR) -> 515 (129 Physics, 130 Cars, 128 Bio and Psych)

    ECs: I mean I guess average. A solid year of hosptial volunteering in 12th grade, and every summer following university. Lots of music since high school, currently produce and release stuff on collectives and shit. Like one campus volunteering leadership (was mental health related). No real research, but a really unqiue (ish) honour's thesis with a faculty presentation. Since grad, I've worked at a thrift store (yay.....). Since grad I've also been volunteering with a youth center for at-risk teens.  


    Geography: Ontario

    Really bummed. Maybe my EC's were poor.

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