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  1. There is a need to get more black, hispanic and aboriginal doctors. We all agree on that. I believe we need to improve outcomes at the HS and undergraduate level to do so organically - including special classes and programs for talented minority students. I feel that AA is a lazy solution, and may cause more harm and worsen stereotypes. The factual evidence is very profound about potential harm - though i won't change your mind with any facts. But because you asked, USLME pass rates by ethnicity are inversely correlated with how much affirmative action help is required. The same is t
  2. On a total aside, something I think that provides an even more unfair advantage on balance to society, simply because of how large the program is, is McMaster Health Sciences. The program is chock full of privileged Asian, White and East Indian kids - who essentially are given a near free ride in terms of GPA. The 4.0s are everywhere. Countless such students get admitted into UofT every year (largest source by far). Reforming or reevaluating how such programs promote privilege is also very important. To be honest, the segregation rampant in similar programs likely also contributed to blac
  3. The admissions pools are different (as they are for aboriginal students - of which i have ancestry and relatives on one side of the family). So yes, people admitted within separate groups got in on their own merit, but their self identification or proven identification with one group provided a massive boost. Most BSAP admits, if they were Asian or East Indian, simply would not have had a file review. That's just reality. Some people support such initiatives and think they are important for society, others don't think they address the root problems of bias in elementary school or even earli
  4. One of the more interesting things that I've noted, and I'm curious if you have as well, is that black students from the sticks seem to do much better academically than peers in the big city. Partially it's probably because their parents are professionals - but I've noticed this not uncommonly. As a result, maybe they tend to be more wordly to begin with (compared to their fellow white villagers). I'm talking small northern towns, or places like Kingston or Cambridge. I'm comfortable with some indigenous-focused initiatives. Reservations are even more underserviced than small towns.
  5. To be honest, I don't think it keeps getting harder and harder. UofT will still take 259 students under either policy. For some people it might be harder, for some people it might be easier. On balance, it might be about the same! If anything, this may actually hurt some of the BSAP candidates that likely would have their wGPAs lowered. Somewhat interesting after the discussion I was having in another thread.
  6. The fact that you use a single data point to make a conclusion about whether a problem exists or needs a solution is somewhat disconcerting considering that you are a fifth year resident. No one single data point disproves or proves anything. As much as our emotions push us to sometimes do so (especially if we have preconceived biases). Presuming you are right in your conclusion that there is widespread systemic racism that needs systemic solutions (and that it's directly applicable to Canada) - it's pretty sad that you needed something like to make you 'woke'.
  7. I've already graduated from medical school. I've been fortunate enough to do electives broadly, including within the usa, and those that know me well, know that I do have several relatives (not my parents) involved in medical education in Canada. I'm also part metis - but not card carrying - but applied in the non-aboriginal standard stream as a medical student applicant years ago. I did have a 3.99 GPA and near perfect MCAT at the time along with several first author pubs - so was a good 'on paper' candidate at the time. The USA has had affirmative action for well over 45 years now at
  8. I believe you just need to have any black ancestry, and identify with it in some way. They are not doing a genetic test - and it makes getting into medical school infinitely easier. Definitely take this route!!
  9. This year 24 students were accepted into meds via the BSAP program this year https://globalnews.ca/news/7010646/24-black-medical-students-accepted-u-of-t-medicine/. That's close to 10% of the medical school - which is actually over-representing the black population for the GTA, Ontario, and even Canada (3.5% of Canada's population). Considering that the class of 2020 had only 1 black student, and the class of 2019 I believe had zero - it's obvious the effect of BSAP is HUGE - in reality there are separate pools of candidates with no real overlap. Considering how underrepresented Filipinos,
  10. I remember looking back on my own med school odyssey - and looking down on applicants who didn't have even a single 1st author publication while applying to med school. Interesting counter-point article. Especially as I've seen several high school students working on projects with doctors recently https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/924457?src=soc_fb_200204_mscpedt_news_mdscp_residency&faf=1
  11. A combination of unfortunately going to UofT, some poor studying, and probably some back luck. Queen's is your best bet without a 5th year (when Western could also give you a shot)...but of course...you'll need stellar MCATs and ECs. Good luck.
  12. This is a very interesting topic. As medical schools emphasize 'inclusiveness' and 'diversity' with greater vigour - nuanced opinions on the matter, and even more so, critical opinions, are essentially not permitted. I am of part metis background myself (I think i mentioned this back a few years back) - though I would never have declared it - nor likely even qualify. At Western, we have a few aboriginal students most years - and they are great folk in general. There is a paucity of good medical care in remote reservations - or even in urban areas with large aboriginal populations (ie
  13. Because our transcripts are absolutely useless - getting into competitive specialties is not actually as reflective of how smart students are (in relative to the USA - where grades are on transcripts, and board exams results are required (Step 1 at least). There are a few dummies in my class that are gunning for some high paying specialties - and because they can present themselves reasonably well for short periods of time on a focused subject , and have some research, they will have a great shot of matching next year. I'm talking plastics and ENT and urology as specialties. Oh we
  14. I've been off the boards for a bit of time (nothing like 3rd year western clerkship to take the piss out of you). But I did want to comment to this board. Take the numbers in the original chart with a major grain of salt. Some specialties have significant NON-OHIP sources of income. I'm talking Ophthalmology, Plastic Surgery, ENT, Physiatry, Dermatology and even Radiology (quite a few Radiologists here do outsourcing CT reading for the USA during evenings - and add an extra 100K+ to their earnings from US HMOS). Many of the specialties with 'high overheads' are exaggerated (cardi
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